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Forever - Banned
Pasadena Citizen ^

Posted on 04/10/2005 6:42:44 PM PDT by Texasbock

Pasadena Independent School District superintendent Dr. Rick Schneider has banned the book "Forever" by popular children's author Judy Blume from the shelves of libraries within the district.

The book had previously been found in the collections of one intermediate and three high schools. Advertisement

"It is never an easy decision to pull a book from the shelves. The superintendent has the responsibility to put materials in the system that are educationally suitable and appropriate. In this particular case, after reading the book, he felt that, though the theme is not unsuitable certain passages are and decided to remove the book," said district spokesperson Kirk Lewis.

The complaint was initially lodged by a parent at Thompson Intermediate School.

According to district policy process, a campus review committee was formed to study the book.

The issue was next studied by a central office committee comprised of administrators, instructors and parents and then by Schneider.

Though an initial committee recommendation was that the work be removed from only intermediate and not high school libraries, it was ultimately decided to withdraw "Forever" from the district library system completely due to what was deemed "sexually explicit content.

"Certain passages were not appropriate for any students of the school district," continued Lewis.

The novel, first published in 1975, is self-described as "a moving story of the end of innocence."

According to the American Library Association, it is the eighth "most frequently challenged" book.

A challenge is defined as a formal, written complaint, filed with a library or school requesting that materials be removed because of content or appropriateness. The ALA Office for Intellectual Freedom received a total of 547 challenges last year. According to Judith F. Krug, director of the Office for Intellectual Freedom, the number of challenges reflects only incidents reported, and for each reported, four or five remain unreported.


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A parent from a local jr. high in Houston told the Superintendent that this book was pornography and that she demanded that all copies be confiscated from the school district libraries.

I sure feel alot safer now knowing that there are people out there getting rid of "pornographic material". Maybe they should pull the plug on the internet next.

1 posted on 04/10/2005 6:42:47 PM PDT by Texasbock
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To: Texasbock

What is the book about?


2 posted on 04/10/2005 6:45:06 PM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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To: Texasbock
"Editorial Reviews Amazon.com "Going all the way" is still a taboo subject in young adult literature. Judy Blume was the first author to write candidly about a sexually active teen, and she's been defending teenagers' rights to read about such subjects ever since. Here, Blume tells a convincing tale of first love--a love that seems strong and true enough to last forever. Katherine loves Michael so much, in fact, that she's willing to lose her virginity to him, and, as the months go by, it gets harder and harder for her to imagine living without him. However, something happens when they are separated for the summer: Katherine begins to have feelings for another guy. What does this mean about her love for Michael? What does this mean about love in general? What does "forever" mean, anyway? As always, Blume writes as if she's never forgotten a moment of what it's like to be a teenager."
3 posted on 04/10/2005 6:47:09 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: All

Are you kidding me?? Next thing you know they will get rid of "Are you there God its me Margeret?".


4 posted on 04/10/2005 6:47:25 PM PDT by duck duck goose (Its so GREAT to be an American!!!!)
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To: Dallas59

Sex.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671695304/qid=1113183946/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/103-1770309-6404606


5 posted on 04/10/2005 6:47:32 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Texasbock

I haven't seen the book, but Judy Blume's books always made me uncomfortable. I steered my children away from them-- just not appropriate to my way of thinking.


6 posted on 04/10/2005 6:47:49 PM PDT by Clara Lou (I'm not pro-death, I'm anti-hysteria.)
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To: Texasbock
If their tax monies are paying for the book, and it is being presented to thier children, they have every right to take action against objectional material.

The book is not really banned or been burned, anyone who wants it can by a copy for themselves...but, as I say, if it is being presented in a public school paid for by tax dollars, then they have every right to object and try and get enough support to get it removed. Apparently they did and that is how our Republic works at that level.

Good for them.

7 posted on 04/10/2005 6:48:16 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Texasbock

If it's just an offensive passage or two, they can usually be covered up with a black felt pen. It works better than you might think. I go by the public library and do that whenever I have some extra time.


8 posted on 04/10/2005 6:49:48 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Dallas59

As I remember it, it basically shared how a girl felt when she first fell in love. Judy Blume wrote great books, that helped younger people through ackward times. Gosh..thats sad.


9 posted on 04/10/2005 6:50:03 PM PDT by duck duck goose (Its so GREAT to be an American!!!!)
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To: BenLurkin
15-16 year olds having sex??????????? I would have never thought. Banning books with sexual context....but I would assume the Communist Manifesto is available at all grades.
10 posted on 04/10/2005 6:50:34 PM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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To: Texasbock

Do you think other peoples kids should be exposed to things their parents consider to be improper?
If you have kids, couldn't you still raise them on porn without having the schools help you?


11 posted on 04/10/2005 6:52:45 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: Jeff Head
I guess all the people who do pay taxes don't want to read the book.

You know this is just an example of the self-esteem crowd and the bluenoses we know what's best for you getting together and getting bigger.

When I went on Road Trips with the guys, the rule was the guy with the largest bladder determined when to stop, if this ninnys take over more power it's going to be the guy with the smallest bladder calls the shots.
12 posted on 04/10/2005 6:53:44 PM PDT by HKTechBoy (There is no gray area in Life)
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To: Scenic Sounds

LOL!


13 posted on 04/10/2005 6:54:31 PM PDT by SIDENET (Yankee Air Pirate)
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To: Dallas59

Yes. As Aldous Huxley pointed out: replacing God with sexual profligacy can serve the interests of the totalitarian government quite well.


14 posted on 04/10/2005 6:54:38 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Texasbock

There is a big difference between placing a book out of reach for the general public and removing a book from reading lists that are required of adolescents.

If you do not have adolescents of your own or work with them, you are probably unaware of how much our young people are being over-sexualized. You may be seeing prudery here, but I see an effort to pull education back from the precipice. For the sake of our entire society, we adults need to once again model and encourage behavior that shows respect for human sexuality rather than exploiting and cheapening it.


15 posted on 04/10/2005 6:55:04 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Never again trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: Scenic Sounds
"If it's just an offensive passage or two, they can usually be covered up with a black felt pen. It works better than you might think. I go by the public library and do that whenever I have some extra time."

I think you forgot the tag... At least I HOPE you did! If not - Shame on You!!! What makes you think you have the right to deface books in the Public Library? Just because you may find something offensive doesn't give you the right to make that decision for everyone else... GEESH!
16 posted on 04/10/2005 6:56:43 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: HKTechBoy
"... the guy with the largest bladder determined when to stop,"

I bet the car stank of urine. Were these "fun" trips?

17 posted on 04/10/2005 6:57:17 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: BenLurkin

Yes. As Aldous Huxley pointed out: replacing God with sexual profligacy can serve the interests of the totalitarian government quite well.

**
Good one!


18 posted on 04/10/2005 6:58:28 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Never again trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: Texasbock

Judy Blume is the author who singlehandedly trashed children's books with her essays into pornography. Then we started getting all the other trashy childrens books that have been corrupting young minds since then, such as "Heather Has Two Mommies."

This School Superintendent is right. Judy Blume doesn't belong in school libraries.


19 posted on 04/10/2005 6:58:40 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: LibertyRocks; Scenic Sounds

I think you forgot the tag = I think you forgot the < /sarcasm > tag...


20 posted on 04/10/2005 6:59:00 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Scenic Sounds

ROTFLMAO! FReepers are cool.


21 posted on 04/10/2005 6:59:22 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Cicero


Judy Blume? I used to love those Fudge books in gradeschool!

Why is it so bad for teenagers to read about the emotional implications of sex? It isn't going to be forever when you're 16.


22 posted on 04/10/2005 7:02:39 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second)
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To: BenLurkin

BTTT


23 posted on 04/10/2005 7:02:39 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Scenic Sounds
"If it's just an offensive passage or two, they can usually be covered up with a black felt pen. It works better than you might think. I go by the public library and do that whenever I have some extra time."

I'm sure you're kidding because that would be an ignorant and backward thing to do. I'm sure you're brave enough to challenge the library board directly on those things you find offensive rather than be cowardly and deface public property. Right?

24 posted on 04/10/2005 7:03:29 PM PDT by Honcho Bongs
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To: Scenic Sounds

LOL


25 posted on 04/10/2005 7:05:38 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Texasbock
You have to read 7 lines or paragraphs until you get to the explanation behind the story. Today's journalism is so poor.
26 posted on 04/10/2005 7:05:39 PM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: Scenic Sounds

".....covered up with a black felt pen....."

redacting is what the USG calls it.....I think if a taxpayer does it, it is still redacting.....and with all the thousands of pages in existence made possible from just your own taxes, SURELY you have a right to redact a few passages or pages :)

Bravo to you......


27 posted on 04/10/2005 7:10:34 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Texasbock
I sure feel alot safer now knowing that there are people out there getting rid of "pornographic material".

They're not getting rid of it; they're removing it from a public school. If you want the book, go order it at Amazon.

So, tell us again why you are in favor of pornography being on the library shelves of public schools?

28 posted on 04/10/2005 7:10:57 PM PDT by frgoff
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To: Bigg Red
You may be seeing prudery here,

Prude is a word made up by the immoral to soothe their conscience.

29 posted on 04/10/2005 7:13:33 PM PDT by frgoff
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To: Jeff Head
The book is not really banned or been burned, anyone who wants it can by a copy for themselves...but, as I say, if it is being presented in a public school paid for by tax dollars

Exactly. Wonder what all these liberals so upset about book banning would say if the school district bought a bunch of moral or religious books. The liberals would not be able to light their matches fast enough.

30 posted on 04/10/2005 7:14:10 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: LauraleeBraswell

>>Judy Blume? I used to love those Fudge books in gradeschool!<<

Me too!!!


31 posted on 04/10/2005 7:14:23 PM PDT by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: Abcdefg
I don't suppose that you have read Fannie Hill have you? I remember reading it in high school myself. Ha, once a prude always a prude.
32 posted on 04/10/2005 7:17:04 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Scenic Sounds

Vandals for God. We don't need no stinkin' rule of law.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want tax-funded smut but I don't want people destroying public library books. Adults use libraries more than children generally.

Sometimes people put intelligent comments in library books that are actually worth reading.


33 posted on 04/10/2005 7:17:41 PM PDT by FierceKulak
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To: Abcdefg

But we made great time.


34 posted on 04/10/2005 7:18:45 PM PDT by HKTechBoy (There is no gray area in Life)
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To: org.whodat

How about PRE teens? Do you think the little ones should be reading it? Does it matter to you what their parents think?


35 posted on 04/10/2005 7:19:27 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: Texasbock

Sweet Judy Blume---She put the Her in Herpes.


36 posted on 04/10/2005 7:21:48 PM PDT by Shisan (When in doubt, win the trick.)
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To: Texasbock

Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
"Going all the way" is still a taboo subject in young adult literature. Judy Blume was the first author to write candidly about a sexually active teen, and she's been defending teenagers' rights to read about such subjects ever since. Here, Blume tells a convincing tale of first love--a love that seems strong and true enough to last forever. Katherine loves Michael so much, in fact, that she's willing to lose her virginity to him, and, as the months go by, it gets harder and harder for her to imagine living without him. However, something happens when they are separated for the summer: Katherine begins to have feelings for another guy. What does this mean about her love for Michael? What does this mean about love in general? What does "forever" mean, anyway? As always, Blume writes as if she's never forgotten a moment of what it's like to be a teenager.


37 posted on 04/10/2005 7:22:30 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: sissyjane; Tax-chick; annyokie; grellis
I admit, I never read her work.

I always enjoyed S.E. Hinton's adolescent-themed novels, though.

To be honest, when I was that age I wasn't much of an avid reader.

-good times, G.J.P. (Jr.)

38 posted on 04/10/2005 7:23:29 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: HKTechBoy

"But we made great time."

Good point!


39 posted on 04/10/2005 7:23:33 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: Scenic Sounds

ROTFLOL


40 posted on 04/10/2005 7:30:23 PM PDT by Libertina (If anything be pure, if anything be just, think on it.)
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To: duck duck goose

I thought Judy Blume books were great when I was a kid too.
Now I have two girls and realize that in the real world, loving parents and friends with morals are really what kids need to get through those times.

Not some lib writing a book.

If a 9 year old girl starts with "Are you there God? It's me Margaret" about starting her period, then looks up the author to read more, "Forever" is not appropriate for her at that age.


41 posted on 04/10/2005 7:30:24 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Oh Lord help me this day to keep my big mouth shut)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

I think our children grow up too fast these days, and have done so since the sexual revolution came into force. The paradoxical thing about it is that if they grow up too fast in the wrong way, they may never fully grow up in the right way. They become chic and sophisticated but not really mature.

Witness all the 50 or 60 year old adolescents like Bill Clinton that crowd our news and entertainment. Seemingly they will never grow up.


42 posted on 04/10/2005 7:32:53 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Dallas59
Actually when I was in high school, our library had three copies of the Manifesto and two of Mein Kampf.
43 posted on 04/10/2005 7:33:18 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. - John Adams)
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To: Abcdefg

My point to you was that there is a lot worse books around and have been for a long time. I would spend my time making sure that the teachers weren't messing with the kids. Better yet make sure your kids aren't and let the other parents take care of theirs.


44 posted on 04/10/2005 7:37:57 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Texasbock

> Maybe they should pull the plug on the internet next.

The Blume book is entirely tame compared to what's on
ordinary cable & dish.

But the "ought wallowing" about having the book in
public school libraries simply goes away if we phase
out government schools entirely.

Then you can send your kids to a school that meets your
requirements (or homeschool, as you see fit).


45 posted on 04/10/2005 7:41:30 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: netmilsmom

If you think that is inappropriate then monitor what she researches. ( I went to school with kids who I thought were smart because they read National Geographic, but later found out they were looking at pictures of breasts) I can appreciate you not wanting your child to grow up too fast. I feel as well, our kids childhood decreases by the year. However, I also feel as though when ackward times happen when you are a kid, laughter kind of softens its blow.

Me, Im going to lock my children up and not let the Liberal world corrupt them. (insert smile here)


46 posted on 04/10/2005 7:43:29 PM PDT by duck duck goose (an apology shouldnt include, by the way I have a book coming out.)
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I've kept all my Judy Blume books for my daughters to read when they are older.

Unless she's changed her style drastically, I would not have a problem with this book.

47 posted on 04/10/2005 7:44:52 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Texasbock

The idea that 'open minds' should be filled with whatever publishers foist on the public is silly. When public educational dollars buy into that line, then parents that don't like the library fare have a right to complain. As long as a given title of dreck is published and available for sale from a local pornographer, then the 'free speech' choir can sit down and stow it. As far as I am concerned, school libraries should be under the direct control of the parents that send their children there.

When books are actually burned and prohibited from public or private ownership with the threatened force of government arms, then we can have this talk for real. Until then...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


48 posted on 04/10/2005 7:45:50 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Let's pull the feeding tube of the American left - Defund NPR/PBS/CBP and the LSC)
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To: org.whodat

I agree.


49 posted on 04/10/2005 7:46:05 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: sissyjane

Was she the one who wrote, "eat it or wear it." My kids still say that.


50 posted on 04/10/2005 7:46:59 PM PDT by Mercat (Jesus has let JPII through the door.)
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