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Republican (Chris Shays) calls for DeLay to step down
Houston Chronicle ^ | April 11, 2005 | GEBE MARTINEZ

Posted on 04/10/2005 11:45:55 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

WASHINGTON - Signaling that persistent ethics questions about House Majority Leader Tom DeLay may be starting to weigh down Republicans, a GOP moderate on Sunday called for DeLay to resign his leadership post, and a top GOP senator urged DeLay to answer questions about his ethics.

"Tom's conduct is hurting the Republican Party, is hurting this Republican majority and it is hurting any Republican who is up for re-election," Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., told the Associated Press after making similar comments at community meetings in his home district this weekend. He said DeLay should step down.

Shays has had a rocky relationship with DeLay, R-Sugar Land, in recent years over questions about campaign finance and ethics rules. But his concerns were underscored by Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., a conservative and the Senate's third-ranking Republican, who said DeLay needs to clear the air.

"I think he has to come forward and lay out what he did and why he did it and let the people then judge for themselves," Santorum said on ABC's This Week. He said that from what he knows of the ongoing DeLay controversies, "everything he's done was according to the law."

"Now you may not like some of the things he's done," said Santorum, who is up for re-election next year. "That's for the people of his district to decide, whether they want to approve that kind of behavior."

Ongoing investigations A political action committee created by DeLay has been under investigation by the Travis County district attorney, and federal investigators are probing a lobbyist, Jack Abramoff, who had ties to DeLay. The majority leader also has been the subject of recent news reports about the propriety of overseas travel, which may have been underwritten by lobbyists, including Abramoff.

DeLay also drew attention for his strident criticism of federal judges, particularly those who refused to order the reinsertion of a feeding tube for Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who died March 31.

A spokesman for DeLay countered Shays' comment by noting he enjoys "wide support of the rank-and-file" of the House GOP conference. Most of the House Republicans are conservative, and many have viewed the scrutiny of DeLay as part of an orchestrated campaign to undermine their political agenda.

Asked if DeLay has heard from GOP House members who are worried about the volume of critical news reports, DeLay chief spokesman Dan Allen replied: "Members were very supportive through the week last week and going into the weekend."

A top administration official also said Friday that DeLay has not yet become the political liability that Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., became in 2002, when he was pushed out of his leadership post by the White House in favor of Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., after making a political gaffe.

"Nobody around here is saying that DeLay is a problem the way Lott was," a senior administration official said.

But the mood on Capitol Hill has become testier as the controversies have raged on.

"I have no comment on anything," Rep. Michael Castle, R-Del., said as he avoided questions about DeLay last week.

Democrats also are trying to embarrass Republicans into dropping their support of DeLay. The Public Campaign Action Fund will announce today that it will run new anti-DeLay ads in key congressional districts.

Undoing rules changes One of the recent targets was Rep. Rob Simmons, R-Conn., who faced questions about DeLay during his own tough re-election battle last November. Simmons also strongly called for the resignation of his state's former Gov. John Rowland, who was convicted of selling access to his office for personal gain.

GOP members have maintained that they are getting relatively few questions about DeLay when they return to their districts. But on Saturday, voters at a town hall forum asked Shays about DeLay, the Greenwich Time reported.

"He is an absolute embarrassment to me and to the Republican Party," Shays told the Greenwich audience.

Shays and Rep. Joel Hefley, R-Colo., the past chairman of the House ethics committee, have signed a Democratic resolution that would undo some of the rules changes that GOP leaders, including DeLay, pushed through the House in January.

The new rules make it harder for the committee to pursue probes against members. Democrats have protested by blocking the committee from officially organizing.

Hefley was removed as chairman after the committee unanimously voted last year to issue three admonishments against DeLay. A key staffer also was fired.

DeLay recently offered to go before the committee to answer charges that have been raised in recent weeks. But his offer was viewed as largely symbolic since the committee is gridlocked.

"This whole ethics thing could not have been handled worse than it was," said Hefley, who recently spoke to House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., about ways to diminish the political heat on Republicans regarding ethics.

Loyalty with concerns Hefley said that the loyalty by members toward DeLay because of his strong leadership on tough issues has overshadowed the private concerns of some members about DeLay.

"A lot of folks mention quietly that they are concerned about it. On the other hand, you have a lot of members standing up and pledging their undying support for Mr. DeLay," Hefley said.

Among those standing behind DeLay are House Majority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo., who said recently, "He's taking a lot of arrows for all of us."

gebe.martinez@chron.com


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1 posted on 04/10/2005 11:45:55 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Republicans eat their own. Look - if Tom DeLay isn't doing a good job, let the Democrats recruit a candidate to run against him in Sugar Land. But Republicans shouldn't help them get rid of a party leader based on what after all are questionable allegations from the partisan media. No proof of wrong-doing by the Majority Leader has been offered into evidence. In the minds of Chris Shays and Rick Santorum he's guilty because our adversaries make that assumption - and they buy into the liberal line that its the seriousness of the charge mantra that matters. Forget the evidence.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
2 posted on 04/10/2005 11:51:41 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Tom's conduct is hurting the Republican Party, is hurting this Republican majority and it is hurting any Republican who is up for re-election," Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., told the Associated Press after making similar comments at community meetings in his home district this weekend. He said DeLay should step down.

Hey Chris .. you have done more damage to the Republican Party then anything Delay has done

Translation: .. We don't like you Chris

3 posted on 04/10/2005 11:52:31 PM PDT by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" ~ Pope John Paul II)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Who is Chris Shays?


4 posted on 04/10/2005 11:53:17 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (a PROUD member of the "Blame the MSM first" crowd!!!!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Shays, you HACK!

If you lived in a real state you wouldn't say such stupid things.


5 posted on 04/10/2005 11:53:54 PM PDT by spinestein (I support both kinds of nuclear power; electricity generating and political.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
DeLay should step down.

Shays should shut-up.

6 posted on 04/10/2005 11:58:09 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Mo1
Chris Shays is a RINO. He ain't no conservative. Hurting the Republican majority, my ass.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
7 posted on 04/10/2005 11:59:51 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Tom's conduct is hurting the Republican Party, is hurting this Republican majority and it is hurting any Republican who is up for re-election," Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., told the Associated Press after making similar comments at community meetings in his home district this weekend. He said DeLay should step down.

Ignore this lying liberal POS with an R next to his name.

8 posted on 04/11/2005 12:01:50 AM PDT by Penner
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I support these fools year in year out.....thousands and thousands ($$) and man hours and demonstrations etc.

Now this time between Bush's horrible immigration policy, overspending and Congress's usual weaknesses and ...if they ditch DeLay. DeLay has stones the rest wish they had. And I could give a crap if he pays his family 50K a year to work on his campaign. 50K ain't rich.

I will be about at the bottom of support I have ever had for the GOP. I've watched folks here get disgruntled with the GOP over the years and thought they were off the wall.

Now I'm beginning to understand.

But...there is nowhere else to go for now.

That is why even though we seem in power we are not. The Dems have more of a reliable base which they respect.

The GOP uses the base to win (broken glass) and then abandons them and even ridicules us a bit.

We would not have won without the WOT last November.

The right wing in this country is still too weak. We are not there yet.


9 posted on 04/11/2005 12:08:26 AM PDT by wardaddy ("Finally!, A Man Worth Killing!")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It's Monday, that means Republicans need to cave in on something....


10 posted on 04/11/2005 12:08:37 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Republican leaders want the admiration of liberals. We need such "leaders" like we need enemies.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
11 posted on 04/11/2005 12:14:03 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
First thing FReepers need to know is that the Houston Chronicle just hates Tom DeLay's guts. They will do or say anything to beat him, and it just kills them when he does something to benefit the Houston area, because they'd love to spike the story but can't.

The Chronicle's editor of some 11-12 years now is Jeff Cohen, a leftist who admitted, during a going-away dinner for his retiring editorial-page editor, coming to the Chronicle with the objective in view of making its editorial page a shrine to Left political advocacy. Their political writers are all superannuated liberal blimps and bloviators, except for the hostile left-wing women, and their editors all take a liberal line.

The paper gets into an amazing, and funny, case of split personality when the publisher orders the editors to endorse Dubya for reelection after they've been bashing him on the editorial page for years.

The secret is understanding that the Chronicle is also compromised, and it's in bed with many of the rich people who run Houston. Which leads to the split personality.

But that doesn't bother them when the subject turns to DeLay.

12 posted on 04/11/2005 12:16:45 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Republican Party is disintegrating. I guess they just didn't know what to do with the power once they got it.


13 posted on 04/11/2005 12:19:51 AM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks - message sent!


14 posted on 04/11/2005 12:21:33 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: goldstategop

The "allegations" are just that - there is no substance to any of this.


15 posted on 04/11/2005 12:23:30 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"...a GOP moderate on Sunday called for DeLay to resign his leadership post,..."

I hope the Republican whip is taking down names of high-profile GOP politicians looking to score points with the media and the liberal blocs of their constituencies by slamming DeLay. From what I've seen, DeLay exercised bad judgment by not deeply researching money sources for junket expenses; he made a false assumption that all was legitimate and on the up-and-up. Not illegal--and in my view, not unethical, either. A breach of ethics requires intent.
16 posted on 04/11/2005 1:04:43 AM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: goldstategop

Shays has dropped to a rating of 38%, while DeLay is at 100% according to http://www.acuratings.com


17 posted on 04/11/2005 1:06:20 AM PDT by Susannah (http://grades.betterimmigration.com/view_all.php3?Flag=GRADE <check your legislators on immigration)
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To: Rembrandt_fan
Please explain any criminal culpability or ethical lapses - as you understand it.
18 posted on 04/11/2005 1:07:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Rembrandt_fan
A crime hasn't even been committed here. And junkets are paid for all time. No one has been able to demonstrate a conflict of interest or a situation where DeLay stood to personally benefit. As far as alleged scandals go, its a non-issue. Its less of an ethical problem than say - oral sex on the job in the White House. And back then all the liberals said, no problemo. The fact of the matter is the Left all by itself has lowered the bar for ethical responsibility.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
19 posted on 04/11/2005 1:34:50 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

STFU, Chrissy girlie-boy.


20 posted on 04/11/2005 1:37:06 AM PDT by Certified Horticulturist
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I'm no attorney, so I can't address (with any authority) whatever criminal culpability DeLay might've had by unknowingly using questionable money sources for traveling, etc. Ethics, though, are the domain of anyone who can discern right from wrong with any clarity. If he was truly unaware of any impropriety, and this lack of knowledge can be proved with any reasonable certainty, then I would say no breach of ethics are involved. It's true that highly placed public officials should be held to a higher standard than, say, a local school board member. It's also true that I'm no expert on House or Senate ethics rules (or an expert on pretty much anything outside my profession). But I do know that intent is a mitigating factor in both criminal cases and ethics disputes. Ignorance is no defense for bad judgment, certainly, but 'unethical' denotes behavior acted out willfully and knowingly. The attorneys out there can shoot me if I'm wrong.
21 posted on 04/11/2005 1:42:01 AM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Republican (GOP_Raider) calls for Shays to kindly bite every single inch of him.


22 posted on 04/11/2005 1:45:40 AM PDT by GOP_Raider (With a QB named Kerry, is it any wonder the Raiders finished 5-11 this year?)
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I had never followed DeLay, nor do I know if any accusations are true or false.

The first time I saw him was his standing for Terri Schiavo. I saw a man of character, courage, integrity, risking his reputation to save the life of one helpless American. I saw a real man. I saw someone making a difference, being a leader for good.

And then all week I saw him devoured by evil people even in his own party. Before, he didn't have the knowledge of the level of evil in the American heart, and thought of course it would be something he could do, get the Senate and House to save a life.

Good people have got to learn not to trust anyone. Sound cynical? Well, Terri Schiavo's dead, and this is not something predictable to a good person.

All I can say is, thank you for trying, Mr. Delay. You have my vote anytime.


23 posted on 04/11/2005 1:48:17 AM PDT by gentlestrength
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To: Rembrandt_fan
....unknowingly using questionable money sources for traveling, etc.

Describe how it was questionable and what is "etc" exactly?

From the rest of your answer, I must say, you really don't have any specifics just "feelings" generated from the Dem/msm machine.

Be careful, or you'll be doing their dirty work for them.

24 posted on 04/11/2005 1:49:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Stellar Dendrite
"Who is Chris Shays?"

He's that liberal homosexual congressman from some yankee New England state that voted against impeaching Clinton.

25 posted on 04/11/2005 1:53:10 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
Republican (Chris Shays) calls for DeLay to step down

i think Chris Shays ought ti step down.

26 posted on 04/11/2005 1:58:56 AM PDT by tame (Senator Frist is WRONG, while Tom Delay is RIGHT!)
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To: CyberAnt; All

***....If he ever runs for speaker, I get to vote on the House floor, and my 'no' vote combined with the Democrats' means he will never be speaker," Shays said, according to a report in Greenwich Time. The newspaper also quoted Shays as saying: "Do I think Tom DeLay will be the majority leader by the end of this term? No. . . . I don't think Tom DeLay is going to survive." ...***

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42422-2005Apr10.html


27 posted on 04/11/2005 2:02:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I read an article several days (weeks?) ago concerning the specifics of the DeLay case, and so was relying on memory. As I understand it, the ethics charges have to do with an event arranged by a guy who was ultimately revealed to be a shady operator.

The central point of my original post concerned opportunists of both parties who are seeking to use DeLay's involvement with this guy as a means to bring him down and to demonstrate their own supposedly high ethical standards to both the MSM and their liberal constituencies. I wasn't playing armchair lawyer, merely making an observation.

Don't have the faintest idea what you mean by the 'doing their dirty work for them' remark. Certainly enough dirty work going on in Washington DC without any help from me.
28 posted on 04/11/2005 2:07:21 AM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: Godebert
Ahhhhhh yesssssss... a trip down memory lane. Chris Shays made excuses for Clinton. But a leader of his own party deserves no mercy.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
29 posted on 04/11/2005 2:08:59 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
No proof of wrong-doing by the Majority Leader has been offered into evidence.

Since when does a democrat or in Shays case, a stinking low life rat in disguise RINO, need actual evidence to bring down a fellow party member?

Don't you know it's not the evidence that counts, but the seriousness of the charges that matter

30 posted on 04/11/2005 2:09:09 AM PDT by Popman (The American Left: Goose Stepping into the Future)
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To: Popman
Exactly. To liberals, the absence of evidence against a conservative is never at issue. Just make sure the charges are serious enough and he's gone in a heartbeat.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
31 posted on 04/11/2005 2:12:26 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Rembrandt_fan
As I understand it, the ethics charges have to do with an event arranged by a guy who was ultimately revealed to be a shady operator.

A man from whom he had parted ways. And ethics probes in Texas have been orchrastrated by the same man that did this:

***Kay Bailey Hutchison vaulted to national attention in 1993 when she wrested from Democrats a U.S. Senate seat that had been in their hands since 1875. Her drubbing of interim Sen. Bob Krueger, a Democrat appointed to the seat once held by Lloyd Bentsen, not only made her Texas' first woman senator but also marked the first time since Reconstruction that both Texas Senate seats were held by Republicans. Dubbed a rising star in national GOP circles, her climb was stalled when just days after her election she was accused of using state employees and resources for political gain during her 2 1/2-year tenure as state treasurer. She was indicted in 1993 on criminal ethics charges _ which she said were politically-motivated by Democrats. She was acquitted in February 1994 when state prosecutors, disheartened by the judge's pre-trial rulings, refused to present their case.***

Your post gave me the opportunity to raise the question "Does anyone know the facts or are they just repeating democrat talking points?"

No offense meant.

32 posted on 04/11/2005 2:15:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You can trace all the garbage floating around in DeLay's case back to Ronnie Earle and the Houston Chronicle. They want to zero in for the kill.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
33 posted on 04/11/2005 2:17:43 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Only the Houston Comical would take seriously a Connecticut homosexual's views on who should represent Texans in D.C.


34 posted on 04/11/2005 2:20:27 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: goldstategop

Exactly!


35 posted on 04/11/2005 2:20:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
No offense taken. There are, I'm sure, several articles dealing with DeLay ethics case specifics, including the one I read several days ago. The thrust of the article you posted concerned Shays' grandstanding, which is what I (and several others on this thread) responded to.
36 posted on 04/11/2005 2:28:58 AM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"He is an absolute embarrassment to me and to the Republican Party," Shays told the Greenwich audience.

SHAYS is the one who is an embarrassment to Republicans.

I see no useful purpose in contacting that jerk. It seems that, in his own little mind, what he says is how Republicans SHOULD think.

Isn't there someone 'better' to contact, so 'we'(R's) can make it KNOWN that 'we'(R's) support DeLay all the way?

37 posted on 04/11/2005 2:29:14 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: mommadooo3
He's a liberal. If the GOP had guts, they'd expel Shays from the party for disloyalty. Conduct carries consequences. Shays shouldn't be able to sit there as a Republican, attack his leader in the press and pay no price for it. Then again, its not for nothing the GOP is called the Stupid Party.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
38 posted on 04/11/2005 2:42:02 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: mommadooo3
Isn't there someone 'better' to contact, so 'we'(R's) can make it KNOWN that 'we'(R's) support DeLay all the way?

Dennis Hastert

The Whitehouse

And all majors news outlets!!!!

39 posted on 04/11/2005 2:52:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: wardaddy

D@mn! On the money sir! (or m'am) A little early here, but you're right on....


40 posted on 04/11/2005 2:59:42 AM PDT by poobear (just a shy lurker, no troll here folks, just move along)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Shays is a bitter homosexual. He was "outed" on the House floor several times--once by Rep Dornan. No one should pay attention to anything Shays says.


41 posted on 04/11/2005 3:05:06 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Stellar Dendrite

I ignore complaints from any politician, Republican or Democrat, from New England. If someone south of the Mason-Dixon complains, I'll take notice.


42 posted on 04/11/2005 3:07:24 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Tom's conduct is hurting the Republican Party . . . any Republican who is up for re-election."

This is what Shays' complaint, and all his other RINO-related statements and votes, are all about.

He represents a wealthy-but-liberal NYC suburban area of Connecticut, Fairfield County. I have seen him listed as one of the most vulnerable Republicans in 2006. So this is all about appealing to his liberal constituents by very publicly bashing Liberal Public Enemy #1.

43 posted on 04/11/2005 3:37:55 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: SkyPilot
Shays is a bitter homosexual. He was "outed" on the House floor several times--once by Rep Dornan.

This is the first I've heard of any of this, and a Google search does not yield anything. Can you post a relevant link, etc?

44 posted on 04/11/2005 3:41:33 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
He represents a wealthy-but-liberal NYC suburban area of Connecticut, Fairfield County. I have seen him listed as one of the most vulnerable Republicans in 2006. So this is all about appealing to his liberal constituents by very publicly bashing Liberal Public Enemy #1.

Good point.

45 posted on 04/11/2005 3:43:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Correct. Considering that his district includes the limousine liberals in Westport (hello Paul Newman) and Stamford, along with the sh-thole that is Bridgeport, its amazing that there is a Republican in that district. At least Greenwich and New Canaan voted for Bush...


46 posted on 04/11/2005 3:46:57 AM PDT by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Once again a "moderate" that Republicans voted for in the primary "because he can win in November" does more damage to the party than a Democrat could.


47 posted on 04/11/2005 3:54:28 AM PDT by BinaryBoy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks for the contact info. E-mail sent.


48 posted on 04/11/2005 3:59:02 AM PDT by moodymare
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Shays should be pulled away from the GOP teat and made to become either an "Independent" or a 'rat. The former would make him Bernie Sanders' counterpart, and the latter would make him virtually invisible. My guess is that he would become an indy, as it would give him the opportunity to continue being a self-important pain in the butt.

That aside, his "moderate" moniker is not something that should remain unchallenged. And if he isn't gay, he ought to play one on TV.

49 posted on 04/11/2005 3:59:08 AM PDT by niteowl77 (I hate it when I partonize myself.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

a GOP moderate on Sunday called for DeLay to resign his leadership post

GOP modrate? Shays is an outright leftist.


50 posted on 04/11/2005 4:00:38 AM PDT by chainsaw
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