Skip to comments.India and China agree to form partnership
Posted on 04/11/2005 4:45:11 AM PDT by Jeff Head
NEW DELHI - India and China, the world's two most populous countries, agreed on Monday to create a "strategic partnership" in an effort to end their longstanding border dispute and boost trade and economic cooperation.
The agreement signaled a significant shift in relations between the two Asian giants after decades of mutual distrust and suspicion.
"India and China can together reshape the world order," Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said after a welcome ceremony for his Chinese counterpart, Premier Wen Jiabao, at India's presidential palace.
Together the two nations account for one-third the world's population.
The statement announcing the partnership was signed by both premiers and said the agreement would promote diplomatic relations, economic ties and contribute to the two nations "jointly addressing global challenges and threats."
India-China relations have "acquired a global and strategic character," it said.
"The leaders of the two countries have therefore agreed to establish an India-China strategic and cooperative partnership for peace and prosperity," the statement said.
We'd (the US) best get much more serious about courting India IMHO.
Jeff, I need to borrow that crystal ball of yours.
The fact that we may have missed the boat on India is shameful - no, nearly criminal negligence. All for a few al Qaida in custody by Pakistan.
Nobody thought Stalin and Hitler would get together at the start of WWII like they did...yet they did and until Germany conducted Operation Barbarosa, it drove our military and political planners crazy. This would have the same effect, particularly if it grew into something more.
Wish I could get into Condi's head.....
"Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, left, and India Prime Minister Manmohan Singh shake hands during their talks in New Delhi, India, Monday, April 11, 2005. Indian and Chinese leaders Monday agreed to a strategic partnership between the two emerging Asian giants, sealing it with accords aimed at ending a long-standing border dispute and boosting bilateral trade and economic cooperation. "
Try and read the article, the two foreign ministers are holding up the document. I am afraid that this economic partnership is more than hype...disbelief aside.
Not as crazy as it drove the British and French at the time.
I hope we haven't missed it yet. We need to make sure that we counter these economic agreements with stronger ones of our own, and then get MUCH closer to them (India) militarily IMHO.
Amen to that...without that other front, D-Day would have been almost impossible.
Well I am off to work and a three-day business trip...if it comes off...will check back on this on Wednesday evening if I go. Otherwise, later today.
I guess you could say that. One wonders how long Britain could have held out if Hitler had focused on knocking them out before turning on Stalin.
But several million men were thrown at Russia...if he'd taken two million of those and applied them in the west...who knows?
I'm glad the maniac split his efforts. It let us beat him all the quicker...and that was a tough nut as it was.
Curiously, some former Indian officials and diplomats I spoke to were exceedingly suspicious of China. Their view was that China has always tried to constrain India by proppoing up Pakistan wil nuclear and missile sales. But they feel that given their geographical location, it would be stupid not to take advantage of it for trade.
To paraphrase what one Indian diplomat told me recently - "In essence, the US and China both prop up Pakistan and enable it to get away with sponsoring terorrism against India as well as spreading nukes around the world. The difference is China makes it clear that it won't stop supporting Pakistan while the US patronizes us on democracy and "shared values" while propping up Pakistani dictators behind the scenes. So why should India agree to become an American tool against China? India might as well make the best out of the situation and stay neutral while freeing up business ties with China."
missed the boat? india was a warsaw pact ally and a socialist state.. they fly migs and use AKs. heck they hate the US so much coke used to be banned there.
No it doesn't. They're just exchanging the the settlement doc's of the border dispute.
Finally, someone who remembers. Use India as a second front? Bullpuckey. These SOBs did not need the excuse of Pakistan to not help us. They have never helped us.
Which means they still would have had to sink American ships and we would have been in the war anyway. FDR was not going to let Germany invade Britain.
True but I'm not sure the Germans would have needed to in order to get Britain to sign an armistice.
I just checked out the Dragon Fury...it looks like Asia vs. the West in that one.
Do we not think the days of the old wars are over? Would countries still try to invade other countries and take them over? I kinda thought we were past all of that nonsense?
We MUST get very close to India militarily if your books are not to become prophecies. As much as I like 'em, I really wouldn't want them to come true!
The largest and most destructive land battle fought in Asia in WWII was the Battle of Kohima, in India, between the Chindits and the Japanese. It was considered a second Verdun, with the Japanese force being virtually wiped out to a man. At that time, the British-led Indians and Nationalist Chinese were allies fighting against Imperial Japan.
Countries are not going to invade other countries like they used to. This is 2005. It won't happen. The world would not allow it. Perhaps I have my rose colored glasses on?
Now, where are those boys?
"Countries are not going to invade other countries like they used to. This is 2005. It won't happen. The world would not allow it. Perhaps I have my rose colored glasses on?"
You mean, it won't happen, like when the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq?
Saddam tried it a few years ago...and he wasn't that big and it took half the world to put that one back. If China were to work out economic and or military agreements to preclude enough nations from "not allowing it", then they might well make a move. Eternal vigilance is the answer, and being prepared.
The quote of Thosmas Payne comes to mind when he spoke of why it was important for the people to remained armed. He said that while it would be a great world if no one was armed and every one treated each other equitably, he ended up by saying, "because some will not, we dare not"...go unarmed. The same principle applieson the macro scale with nations.
Another front of World War II that most people don't know about. The Japanese got their clocks cleaned.
You are right about this being over-blown. As well as the Paki problem. Surprising how many naive folks at FR will believe that India and China will form an alliance. Who was it who said "there is a sucker born every minute"?
However, you are incorrect regarding trade. China has a trade imbalance not only with India but also with Brazil, Argentina, Australia, Indonesia, and a few other countries.
WE have agreed to sell F-16s to the Indian Air Force the chinese would love to get their hands on the avionics. The Chinese are purchasing the Su-30 series airframe from the Soveits and it is an airframe that with improved avionics would eclipse the F-16 and even the cahrlie model F-15 and the basic F/A-18
Exactly. India is being very pragmatic about it.
i didnt say india was in the warsaw pact, they were allied with the soviets against us.
And you got what grade in World History 101?
the indian national army joined japan and fought against nepal and the UK in burma.
wait, are you claiming india was not a soviet ally? next you know, you are going to claim that subas chandra bose didnt lead the indian national army as part of the axis. Have you ever wondered why india does not celebrate V-J day like the rest of us?
"These SOBs did not need the excuse of Pakistan to not help us. They have never helped us."
Your Ignorance amazes me. For a decade before 9/11 Indian Intelligence kept warning the US regarding extremism in Afghanistan and pakistan and we were told that it was Indias problem. If CIA had listened 9/11 could have been prevented.
It was India along with Russia that were supporting the northern alliance who fought the taliban rule. Even after 9/11 India wanted to participate in afghanistan operations but was prevented by the US due to paki influence. US still doesnt see the light here.
Jeepers. Thanks for the ping!
Stranger things have happened...and economic issues and agreements can led to military ties if they are successful and if the participants feel that success is somehow threatened.
As to it being naive...the same thing would have been said about any warnings of Stalin and Hitler getting together in the late 30's...and yet it happened to the horrble chargin of all of Europe at the time. What is naive is to ignore historical precedence and think it cannot happen here.As Sophocles wrote well over 23 centuries ago :
Far-stretching, endless Time
Brings forth all hidden things,
And buries that which once did shine.
The firm resolve falters, the sacred oath is shattered;
And let none say, "It cannot happen here".
Well, this stickies up the wickets a bit..
'62 was a busy year,, Cuban crisis, India-China border war .
Have a good trip.
No offence, but you ought to hit the books. Incomplete knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
Happy revelations kid.. :)
People do not agree with you they are ignorant huh?
life must be simple for you.
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh (L) with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao. China and India signed a historic accord setting out 'guiding principles' to resolve their decades-old border dispute, a move expected to boost economic cooperation and bilateral ties between the two Asian giants.(AFP/Prakash Singh)