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The Science of Design
TheRealityCheck.Org ^ | 4/10/05 | Mark Hartwig

Posted on 04/11/2005 10:25:55 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo

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The public--and our students--deserve better than that.

Indeed.

Bill Would Allow Intelligent Design Teaching Requirement

1 posted on 04/11/2005 10:25:56 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Elsie; LiteKeeper; AndrewC; Havoc; bondserv; Right in Wisconsin; ohioWfan; Alamo-Girl; ...

ID Ping


2 posted on 04/11/2005 10:26:33 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: PatrickHenry
...intelligent design has nothing to do with the six days of creation...

dissembler ping!

3 posted on 04/11/2005 10:29:08 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

> Yet intelligent design has nothing to do with the six days of creation and everything to do with hard evidence and logic.


BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

Yeah, and I'm the Pope.


4 posted on 04/11/2005 10:29:57 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

I don't see any scientific evidence that would contradict the idea of a designer - assuming that that designer has been working for some 1 billion plus years, making lots of mistakes and false starts along the way.


5 posted on 04/11/2005 10:32:25 AM PDT by Uncle Fud
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

I don't see any scientific evidence that would contradict the idea of a designer - assuming that that designer has been working for some 1 billion plus years, making lots of mistakes and false starts along the way.


6 posted on 04/11/2005 10:33:16 AM PDT by Uncle Fud
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Enterprise. Captain Kirk here. Ship's log.

"Location of crewmembers Spock and Kirk is Earth, 2004. I believe they called it the Democratic National Convention.

There appears to be no sign of intelligent design down here, Scotty. Beam us up. Over and out".


7 posted on 04/11/2005 10:34:39 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: AntiGuv

Look, it's obvious that God created the laws that flung everything into motion, how he created gravity as it reacts to heat, matter, energy, light, etc, and his creation of certain particles that were created when everything cooled. All of these laws were created from the beginning, and they are now realized from the consious human being. The consiousness that we hold today had to have been imagined as well, for everything in existence is understood by God.

The bible speaks for itself. It says God is the 'eternal one', not one as in the number one, but one as in 'everything'.

God is everything. God made us in his image, because we are the expression, the 'idea' of God.

To push away this argument in the support of 'evolution' itself, is indeed premature, and ignorant to say the least.



8 posted on 04/11/2005 10:35:02 AM PDT by blakep
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

ID has "everything to do with hard evidence and logic"? Logic includes the fallacy of the excluded middle. Hard evidence means, well ..umm.., hard evidence - as in directly observable evidence. By example, hard evidence of murder is a body with a knife in its back, not a missing person and a trail of blood.


9 posted on 04/11/2005 10:37:20 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
OK, let me save the Darwinists some time here and ape (pun intended the usual sneering attack: The author violates the First Law of Truly Scientific Thinking: "Never explain things in simple terms that common people can understand. Always use technical terms of art to obfuscute the fact we haven't got a clue about our own biases, much less the holes in the nebulous we keep on life support." There's not enough Latin-derived words in here, so it's obviously the work of an uniformed idiot/religious zealot. As such, it must be ignored by us enlightened intellectuals. An "educational psychologist"? are you kidding me? Hundreds of real scientists believe in macroevolution. See link, www.ourevidenceisweakbutdon'taccuseusoffaith.edu.
10 posted on 04/11/2005 10:38:51 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

Why was this article published 9 days late?


11 posted on 04/11/2005 10:39:30 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Inquiring minds want to know)
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"If every elementary particle in the observed universe (about 1080) were cranking out mutation events at the cosmic speed limit (about 1045 times per second) for a billion times the estimated age of the universe, they still could not produce the genes for a working flagellum."

Now that's an interesting statement.


12 posted on 04/11/2005 10:39:43 AM PDT by Sabatier
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
To hear some folks talk, you'd think it's a scam to sneak Genesis into science classrooms. Yet intelligent design has nothing to do with the six days of creation

The fact that most of the people promoting "intelligent design" seem to be hellfire-belching snakehandlers is just a statitical fluctuation.

13 posted on 04/11/2005 10:40:53 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: blakep

Ping


14 posted on 04/11/2005 10:41:12 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: blakep

I don't "push away" the argument that God exists in order to support 'evolution' itself; I haven't the slightest problem conceptually reconciling evolution with the existence of gods. I "push away" the arguments that God exists because I find them either irrational or irrelevant of their own accord.


15 posted on 04/11/2005 10:41:22 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: orionblamblam
"Yeah, and I'm the Pope."

You certainly pontificate enough!

16 posted on 04/11/2005 10:42:59 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Physicist
The fact that most of the people promoting "intelligent design" seem to be hellfire-belching snakehandlers is just a statitical fluctuation. Oh, you must mean like the physicist Denton (an atheist), Michael Behe and William Dembski (published scientists and Catholics whose theology allows to embrace evolution, which they formerly did)....
17 posted on 04/11/2005 10:45:17 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: AntiGuv

Then what is 'rational' to you Anti-Guv? That there is no 'God'? If anything, that's irrational, because the universe didn't create itself. A creator of design itself is at play here.

God is the beginning and the end. He is the motion of existence itself. That's not irrational.


18 posted on 04/11/2005 10:45:17 AM PDT by blakep
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

I've heard it alleged that Evolution stands up to the test of being falsifiable while ID does not. Anything to that?


19 posted on 04/11/2005 10:45:20 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Sabatier
It's supposed to be 1080 and 1045. It's a completely spurious and embarrassingly wrong argument, of course, and especially suspicious since it's supposed to be coming from an expert on statistics.
20 posted on 04/11/2005 10:47:03 AM PDT by Physicist
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