Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Costs of Illegal Immigration to Texans[Senators Threaten Immigration Amendments to War Bill]
FAIR ^ | April 2005 | FAIR

Posted on 04/11/2005 5:25:04 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 201-205 next last
To: Eagles6

Yes and anyone who states that we owe ILLEGALS an education or anything else should be booted out of office. And that includes GW, Kennedy, or anyone else who advocates it.!!!!!!


21 posted on 04/11/2005 6:02:59 PM PDT by snowman1 (WE'VE CREATED OUR OWN MONSTERS THRU THE NEA.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

Comment #22 Removed by Moderator

To: ClintonBeGone

Ive read it before and read it again. Dont see what youre pointing to.


23 posted on 04/11/2005 6:03:18 PM PDT by mthom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: ClintonBeGone
The constitution is talking about legal Immigrants, not ILLEGALS
24 posted on 04/11/2005 6:05:09 PM PDT by snowman1 (WE'VE CREATED OUR OWN MONSTERS THRU THE NEA.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: mthom

"Ive read it before and read it again. Dont see what youre pointing to."

Sorry then.


25 posted on 04/11/2005 6:05:23 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: ClintonBeGone

lol Perhaps you could post the excerpt you claim you base your opinon on?


26 posted on 04/11/2005 6:07:10 PM PDT by mthom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: ChuckyLi

"unlike us immigrants don't demand Welfare and SS. I hope your talking about LEGAL'S not ILLEGALS because if you look at the burden that Illegals put on just Texas's and Cal. taxpayers you would change your tune.


27 posted on 04/11/2005 6:09:50 PM PDT by snowman1 (WE'VE CREATED OUR OWN MONSTERS THRU THE NEA.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: ChuckyLi

"I know this is a cliche, but illegal immigrants really do take up the jobs that we don't want"

There is no job that Americans won't do if the pay is good.

"When an immigrant takes up a job, they are contributing to their employer, who in turn contributes to the rest of us through the taxes they and the immigrants themselves pay. Unlike us citizens, immigrants don't demand welfare and social security. They mainly want education for their child, something that I think we can all understand and relate to."

What a load of crap. Where did you get your talking points? LaRaza?


28 posted on 04/11/2005 6:11:41 PM PDT by politicalwit (Import Poverty...Hire an Illegal Alien)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: ClintonBeGone
What the author of this article fails to understand, or deceptively fails to reveal, is that states are prohibited by the US Constitution from making distinctions based on ones immigration status. Therefore, if someone is a resident of Texas, they are to be allowed to pay in state tuition.

Your statement is false as far as I know. For example see my article on California's Prop. 187 in the illegal immigration section of my web site at www.allanfavish.com

29 posted on 04/11/2005 6:13:27 PM PDT by AJFavish
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

Comment #30 Removed by Moderator

To: ClintonBeGone
Aliens. Under U.S. immigration law, an alien is:
"any person not a citizen or national of the United States." See 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(3). Aliens living in the United States, even though not U.S. citizens, generally enjoy the constitutional and Covenant rights and protections of citizens, including the right to life; freedom from torture, or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment; prohibition of slavery; the right to liberty and security of person; the right to humane treatment for persons deprived of their liberty; freedom from imprisonment for breach of contractual obligation; freedom of movement; the right to fair trial; prohibition of ex post facto laws; recognition as a person under the law; freedom from arbitrary interference with privacy, family and home in the United States; freedom of thought, conscience and religion; freedom of opinion and expression; freedom of assembly; and freedom of association.

"Aliens, even aliens whose presence in this country is unlawful, have long been recognized as 'persons' guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments," Plyer v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 210 (1982); see also Kwong Hai Chew v. Colding, 344 U.S. 590, 596 (1953) (resident aliens are persons within the protection of the Fifth Amendment and may not be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process); Wong Wing v. United States, 163 U.S. 228, 238 (1896) (aliens accused of a crime are entitled to Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights).

Aliens enjoy equal protection rights as well, but distinctions between illegal aliens and others do not require as strong justifications as distinctions between citizens and aliens lawfully in the United States. Distinctions between resident aliens and citizens require more justification, but not the compelling state interests required for distinctions based on race. The longer an alien has been in the United States and the more legitimate the alien's immigration status, the more equivalent the alien's equal protection rights are to those of a U.S. citizen. Consistent with Article 25 of the Covenant, aliens are generally precluded from voting or holding federal elective office.


31 posted on 04/11/2005 6:18:20 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Rakkasan1

Agreed. The Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot with this issue. Why? All I can think of is that with chavez being flakey they are concerned a foreign source of oil. No, not into GW or Dick Cheney's pocket but because the world's economy runs on it and if Venezuala cut off our supply, it would hurt. Don't agree with it but that's all that I can think of. We bailed mexico out in the 80's to the tune of 40-50 billion dollars and they show no respect for us.

Hey, Vincente howzabout payin' that money back in oil startin' now.


32 posted on 04/11/2005 6:21:08 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: AJFavish

"For example see my article on California's Prop. 187"

The federal courts trump your article. It's a well settled area of law.


33 posted on 04/11/2005 6:26:02 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: ChuckyLi

"When an immigrant takes up a job, they are contributing to their employer, who in turn contributes to the rest of us through the taxes they and the immigrants themselves pay."


So, we should all quit our jobs and let illegals have them because it would be better for us?


" Unlike us citizens, immigrants don't demand welfare and social security."


You don't know the situation very well, do you? Illegals take billionsin welfare, emergency room care, etc. I do believe Los Angeles has lost their emergency rooms because they could no longer afford to operate them due to the illegals.


34 posted on 04/11/2005 6:26:12 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: fight_truth_decay

Thank you.


35 posted on 04/11/2005 6:26:49 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: ChuckyLi
ChuckyLi
Since Apr 12, 2005

Where are you posting from that your born on date is tomorrow?

36 posted on 04/11/2005 6:28:06 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: GatorPaul

"...illegals are going to save Social Security..."
The catch, of course, is that the illegals will also be beneficiaries. They will get about $100,000 each from SS. Since they are uneducated and low-pay people, they will not, in their lifetime, pay in as much as they will take out. That is assuming they pay any taxes at all.
Re: Congress - it's a mistake to let socialists play with a capitalist economy.


37 posted on 04/11/2005 6:28:08 PM PDT by henderson field
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: ClintonBeGone

Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Which one of these clauses were you referring to>?


38 posted on 04/11/2005 6:30:02 PM PDT by mthom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: mthom

Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization


39 posted on 04/11/2005 6:40:58 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Conservative Firster
Texas, then California each enacted a law to provide in-state tuition rates to many immigrants who have lived in the state illegally but graduated from a state high school
40 posted on 04/11/2005 6:47:12 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 201-205 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson