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GOP supporters denounce call for DeLay's resignation (question Shay's motives)
Houston Chronicle ^ | April 12, 2005 | GEBE MARTINEZ and SAMANTHA LEVINE

Posted on 04/12/2005 12:50:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

WASHINGTON - Republicans loyal to House Majority Leader Tom DeLay strongly denounced on Monday a GOP moderate's call for DeLay to step down from his leadership post.

But House Republicans were closely watching whether the lack of confidence expressed by Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., is shared by a significant segment of the party or represented merely the disgruntlement of a member worried about Democratic opposition back home.

Shays complained during the weekend that DeLay's ethical conduct "is hurting the Republican Party, is hurting this Republican majority and it is hurting any Republican who is up for re-election."

'Difficult district'

Some party members were privately more troubled by remarks by Rick Santorum, R-Pa., the third-ranking Senate Republican. He said Sunday that DeLay, R-Sugar Land, should "come forward and lay out what he did and why he did it and let the people then judge for themselves."

Santorum went on to say that from what he knows, everything DeLay has done was legal.

Shays, in Congress since 1987, has had a rocky relationship with DeLay in recent years. He was forced to defend the GOP leader during his re-election campaign last November and won by only four points.

"I didn't appreciate his comments at all," said Rep. Kevin Brady, R-The Woodlands. "If you watch (Shays') pattern, he does this every quarter, whether he needs to or not. He finds some way to try and separate himself from Republican leadership. Most people just sort of shrug their shoulders. He's got a very difficult district that gets harder to defend each go 'round."

Questions raised

Top House GOP aides said that while Shays' concerns were predictable, Santorum's comments signaled an uneasiness among some lawmakers that DeLay's troubles could blow up into a major political scandal.

News reports of the past month have raised questions about the propriety of DeLay's political activities.

"What (DeLay) has to do is make certain that his colleagues understand that any issues that arise that are totally without merit are exactly that, totally without merit. And he has to give them a wall of defense that they can use," said former Republican Rep. Robert Walker, a Washington lobbyist.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan restated the administration's support for DeLay on Monday.

"Majority Leader DeLay is someone the president considers a friend, and he is someone that he was worked closely with to get things done in Washington," he said.

The friction between DeLay and Shays has a history. A split occurred while Shays was leading the campaign for passage of the 2002 campaign finance law. GOP leaders, especially DeLay, strongly opposed the measure and viewed Shays' successful legislative tactics as a betrayal.

The Republican leadership punished Shays by denying him the chairmanship of the House Government Reform Committee.

gebe.martinez@chron.comsamantha.levine@chron.com


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; backstabbingrinos; delay; msm; propagandawingofdnc; shays; tomdelay; ushouse
***...Top House GOP aides said that while Shays' concerns were predictable, Santorum's comments signaled an uneasiness among some lawmakers that DeLay's troubles could blow up into a major political scandal. ...***

I expect these remarks are edited to slant their meaning, as were Rick Santorum's comments, including where he criticized the media onslaught.

1 posted on 04/12/2005 12:50:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Correction: Shays's motives


2 posted on 04/12/2005 12:51:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All
Today's Chronicle cartoon (this LINK will show subsequent cartoons in the days ahead)

And they printed a column by Jonathan Chait, a senior editor at The New Republic Whatever else he may be, DeLay is hardly 'innocent'

3 posted on 04/12/2005 12:59:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
But House Republicans were closely watching whether the lack of confidence expressed by Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., is shared by a significant segment of the party or represented merely the disgruntlement of a member worried about Democratic opposition back home.

Seems that the typist missed the part about the Republicans holding wet fingers in the air to see which way the wind is blowing.

4 posted on 04/12/2005 1:59:18 AM PDT by Dahoser (It's just about puddling the floor time for the cowardly lion party.)
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To: Dahoser

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1381894/posts

***…..At the same time, Democratic groups are funding ads in DeLay's Texas district, in conservative newspapers, and major new stations in Washington. Last week, the Campaign for America's Future ran ads in districts of other Republicans, tarring them with DeLay's troubles. Those targeted include Rep. Rob Simmons (R) of Connecticut, Rep. Tom Reynolds (R) of New York, who chairs the Republican National Committee, and Rep. Doc Hastings (R) of Washington, the newly appointed House ethics chairman….***


5 posted on 04/12/2005 2:08:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
There's no scandal. There's no fire. There's no smoke. All this is much ado about nothing. Chris Shays doesn't mention any wrong-doing on Tom DeLay's part and Rick Santorum says as he far as he knows, the Majority Leader did nothing illegal. Sure, a lobbyist accompanied DeLay on a foreign trip. Lobbyists go with Congresscritters all the time and no one makes a fuss over it. Ethics problems, my ass.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
6 posted on 04/12/2005 2:12:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dahoser
Republicans are their own worst enemies. We have to be better than any one else. Human beings make mistakes and a mistake is unforgivable. If there's abuse of power here committed by DeLay, I'd like to see the critics post the proof, chapter and verse.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
7 posted on 04/12/2005 2:14:24 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Now the Washington Post interviews people, including John Podesta, who propose that Tom DeLay not come clean (isn't that suggestive and misleading?).

***.....John D. Podesta, head of the liberal Center for American Progress and a White House and congressional staff veteran since the 1970s, said "one-party control" by Republicans at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue "changes the dynamic substantially" in political scandals.

"You just don't have anyone in power in Congress who will issue a subpoena," forcing truthful testimony, he said, chiding legislators to restore a sense "that there's things that they just won't tolerate, whether it's done by Republicans or Democrats."

Given the majority leader's problems, Podesta said, in some not exactly friendly advice, "if I was advising DeLay, I don't know that 'getting it all out' is a particularly useful strategy for him." ***

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44997-2005Apr11.html

8 posted on 04/12/2005 2:27:45 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Based on recent history, I'd say Delay is in deep doo-doo. Tom Delay is the only Republican in sight with a pair, and he knows he can't count on any of his "friends" in the party for aid and comfort. They'll all sit back and watch while this good man is destroyed on nothing more than innuendo and
hollow accusations.

It has happened before -- just ask Trent Lott. It's not the truth, but the seriousness of the charges that matters when it comes to Republican "corruption".


9 posted on 04/12/2005 3:00:05 AM PDT by thelastvirgil (Help stamp out incumbent politicians: Public enemy number one.)
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To: thelastvirgil
Well, Tom DeLay isn't a shrinking violet.

I believe he'll ride this out.

He's been a target so long, he's grown good armor.
10 posted on 04/12/2005 3:31:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"Top House GOP aides said that while Shays' concerns were predictable, Santorum's comments signaled an uneasiness among some lawmakers that DeLay's troubles could blow up into a major political scandal."

I read that Santorum's comments signal that he plans to run for President in a very LIBERAL state, PA, where criticism of Delay will be very popular. This is truly "barf" stuff..Is there no one who will put the maintenance of freedom in this nation above his/her own personal aggrandizement in politics? And, Chris Shay's is well-known for his waffling. Face it folks, there are those in the Republican party who have worn the conservative face to get elected, who will turn on a dime for political fortune..They are self-absorbed narcissists and sometimes years are required for their supporters to learn the truth. Tom Delay, so far as I have heard has done nothing illegal or unusual. However, his liberal counterparts, whose organizations have done these same things, legally, are not being focused upon by the media and the advertising community funded by the foreigner, Mr. Soros, who may have already taken over the Democratic party.


11 posted on 04/12/2005 3:37:30 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: jazzlite

Well said.


12 posted on 04/12/2005 3:39:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: goldstategop

"There's no scandal. There's no fire. There's no smoke. All this is much ado about nothing. Chris Shays doesn't mention any wrong-doing on Tom DeLay's part and Rick Santorum says as he far as he knows, the Majority Leader did nothing illegal. Sure, a lobbyist accompanied DeLay on a foreign trip. Lobbyists go with Congresscritters all the time and no one makes a fuss over it. Ethics problems, my ass."

I totally agree with you..These vultures would caricature Mother Teresa if they thought it would end in political gain and more power.


13 posted on 04/12/2005 3:41:30 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"Well, Tom DeLay isn't a shrinking violet.

I believe he'll ride this out.

He's been a target so long, he's grown good armor."

I surely do hope you are correct..It will all depend on the integrity of the Republican's as a whole. Will they allow this abuse of Tom Delay to go on or will enough of them forget about their fear of a few liberals and go ahead to do what is right? To correlate this to an everyday situation in medicine, I can tell you that I have known of spouse abuse cases where some big, charming abuser would beat up a 5', 105 lb. spouse, sending her to the emergency room, a physical and psychological mess, and then, convince the authorities that she deserved it because she dared to try and defend herself against the very loss of her life. He never could have done such a thing if, even one of her family members would have lost their fear enough to have stood solidly behind her to the authorities..Instead, they kept quiet, protecting their own behinds. Of course, in the end, they were not protected at all, because they had empowered the enemy through their "yellow-bellied" behavior.


14 posted on 04/12/2005 3:52:00 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: jazzlite

I hear ya.


15 posted on 04/12/2005 3:59:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: thelastvirgil
There is a BIG difference between DeLay and Trent Lott. Lott is an idiot and needed to go. My only regret is that My Senator and not Don Nichols of Oklahoma got the top spot!!!!!!!!!!!!
16 posted on 04/12/2005 4:01:06 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"If you watch (Shays') pattern, he does this every quarter, whether he needs to or not. He finds some way to try and separate himself from Republican leadership..."

What is worse? A Democrat who is constantly criticizing the GOP and nobody listens, or a so-called Republican who constantly criticizes the GOP and everybody listens.


17 posted on 04/12/2005 4:05:09 AM PDT by kempster
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The squawking and yelling on the left about all this is 99%: How Bad Guy Tom DeLay Must Go, and 1%: discussing any actual charges.

Very telling.


18 posted on 04/12/2005 4:15:26 AM PDT by Jhensy
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To: goldstategop
The DeLay accusations, just like the Bush's NG uproar, is a lot of screaming over relatively nothing. It is simply to trash him and get rid of him, especially now when he has dared to speak out about the corrupt judges.

Partially it is also to divert from other scandals such as Judge Greer's outlandish denial of due process to Terri Schindler-Schiavo; Sandy Berger (I'd like to know the name of the person responsible for the slap on the wrist); etc.

19 posted on 04/12/2005 4:17:11 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Jhensy; kempster; All
The charges:

Let's talk about Harry Reid and Barbara Boxer and all the Democrats who work legislation to profit their families.
20 posted on 04/12/2005 4:18:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: jazzlite
It will all depend on the integrity of the Republican's as a whole. Will they allow this abuse of Tom Delay to go on

I just got a fancy packet in the mail, return address "Dick Cheney," with one of those frameable certificates enclosed that thanks me for my work to help re-elect President Bush.

Of course there's a request for a donation to the Republican National Committee in that packet along with the "thank you."

I'm sending it back with this notation:

I will not donate a penny to the Republican Party if they turn their backs on Tom Delay.

21 posted on 04/12/2005 6:23:40 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: kempster
What is worse? A Democrat who is constantly criticizing the GOP and nobody listens, or a so-called Republican who constantly criticizes the GOP and everybody listens..

We've had Shays's number since the Clinton impeachment.

Shays made a big show of grandstanding at "town hall" meetings in front of his constituents in Connecticut -- trying to show how "torn" he was over how to vote on the articles of impeachment.

So Shays tried to have it both ways. Of course, he ultimately voted against the articles.

22 posted on 04/12/2005 6:29:28 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: shhrubbery!
House Republicans were closely watching whether the lack of confidence expressed by Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., is shared by a significant segment of the party

This is our signal to get on the ball and let them know that the lack of confidence is NOT shared by a significant segment of the party. Come on gang, contact all the GOP Reps.

23 posted on 04/12/2005 6:35:17 AM PDT by WVNan (Lord, you did forgive him for that little "incident" didn't you?)
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To: shhrubbery!

Somebody find that link where we can shoot e-mail to all Reps and Sens at one time. We need to flood them.


24 posted on 04/12/2005 6:38:15 AM PDT by WVNan (Lord, you did forgive him for that little "incident" didn't you?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And .. one article didn't even include Santorum's comments about the media cabal and Soros' money which were funding the attack.

I think we all need to be sending lots and lots of email to our House reps and senators - telling them they need to stand with DeLay .. because if they don't they will be next.


25 posted on 04/12/2005 6:56:25 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: shhrubbery!

I'm with you. I think we should quit kissing his butt and let someone else have the seat. I'm sick of him holding this over our heads.


26 posted on 04/12/2005 7:32:07 AM PDT by kempster
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I've defended Santorum against the pettiness directed at him for not supporting Toomey, imo Toomey wasn't going to win in a Presidential election year. I've let the legislation to raise the minimum wage pass as usual political pandering in a tough upcoming election even though I personally thought rather than benefit, it was going to cause his opponents to smell blood. I thanked him for efforts on behalf of Terri. I retract non of these comments.

I will not defend him from his statements about Delay. Delay is one of the few, brave conservative Republicans in D.C. in power that don't give a damn about the Dems or MSM. That weak response from Santorum has caused me to move across the line. Maybe my feeling will change, but while I can tolerate the game of politics I despise the spineless especially when it concerns defending the soul of conservatism and one of its most principled backers. If santorum loses next year, I'm not inclined to shed a tear.

IMO, there are some things I will not accept. You don't sell out America. You don't sell out the American people. You don't sell out this President. Nor do you sell out Tom Delay.


27 posted on 04/12/2005 9:33:30 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Soul Seeker
Santorum didn't undercut DeLay.

The media cherry picked remarks and left out his good comments about DeLay and his criticism of the media.
28 posted on 04/12/2005 11:33:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I know his comments in full, and they were weak.

He went the "Fair and Balance" route that results in tepid support of Delay, some acknowledgement of the critics claims, but also some acknowledgement of the critics motives.

I expect far better but he played on both aisles because he's afraid of his '06 race chances.


29 posted on 04/12/2005 11:48:21 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Soul Seeker

At the same time, Democratic groups are funding ads in DeLay's Texas district, in conservative newspapers, and major new stations in Washington. Last week, the Campaign for America's Future ran ads in districts of other Republicans, tarring them with DeLay's troubles. Those targeted include Rep. Rob Simmons (R) of Connecticut, Rep. Tom Reynolds (R) of New York, who chairs the Republican National Committee, and Rep. Doc Hastings (R) of Washington, the newly appointed House ethics chairman.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1381894/posts


Borosage currently serves as co-director of the Campaign for America's Future (CAF) - a leftwing activist group founded in 1996, whose list of advisors includes Sixties radical Tom Hayden; former SDS president Todd Gitlin; former SDS radical Heather Booth; NOW founder Betty Friedan; Jesse Jackson and social scientist and activist Frances Fox Piven, a founder of the "welfare rights movement" of the late '60s and early '70s whose strategy of deliberately overloading welfare rolls to break the "system" actually bankrupted New York City.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1381895/posts


30 posted on 04/12/2005 12:17:28 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How long until we see a PSA with a "reasonable Republican" asking for DeLay to resign?


31 posted on 04/12/2005 12:19:21 PM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
"...denounced on Monday a GOP moderate's call for DeLay to step down from his leadership post."

Correction to the article: Chris Shays is a LEFTIST.

32 posted on 04/12/2005 12:23:09 PM PDT by tame (Frist and Cheney are WRONG--Tom Delay is RIGHT!)
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To: jazzlite

Sorry to disillusion you, but PA is NOT a "very LIBERAL state". True Pitt and Philly as well as Erie went for Kerry but were it not for these machines, i believe you'd see strong conservative from the true voters. Don't bring up the Specter shiite again as the Unions switched parties for the primaries and defeated Toomey (who wasn't as well known throughout this huge state as Sphincter).


33 posted on 04/12/2005 12:59:32 PM PDT by Safetgiver (Only two requisites to be a judge. Gray hair to look wise and hemmorhoids to look concerned.)
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To: mariabush

I'm sitting over here, in the Ozark foothills, enjoying the rapid decline of Memphis and Shelby county. King Willie is good for a daily laugh, as is John Ford, and the antics of the city school board fill in the occasional lulls in His Highness's continuing comedy of errors.

What will folks do when Willie sells MLG&W?


34 posted on 04/13/2005 4:31:10 PM PDT by thelastvirgil (Help stamp out incumbent politicians: Public enemy number one.)
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