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Clinton Says Gay Opponent of His Wife May Be 'Self-Loathing'
NY Times ^ | April 12, 2005 | RAYMOND HERNANDEZ

Posted on 04/12/2005 3:28:18 AM PDT by Pharmboy

Former President Bill Clinton unleashed an attack yesterday against a gay Republican strategist who has plans to work against Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's re-election, suggesting that the man may be "self-loathing" to work on behalf of the Republican Party.

The former president was reacting to reports that the strategist, Arthur J. Finkelstein, was in the midst of setting up a political action committee to defeat Mrs. Clinton in 2006. Republican officials close to Mr. Finkelstein have said that he hopes to be able to finance an advertising campaign similar to the one orchestrated against John Kerry last year by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

"I was sort of sad when I read it," Mr. Clinton said, speaking at a news conference at his office in Harlem, where he announced that his foundation was donating $10 million to treat children with AIDS.

The former president noted that an earlier article over the weekend reported that Mr. Finkelstein had married his male partner in a civil ceremony at his home in Massachusetts, then he alluded to the Republican Party's use of the same-sex marriage issue to mobilize conservative voters.

"Either this guy believes his party is not serious and he's totally Machiavellian," Mr. Clinton said, or "he may be blinded by self-loathing." Mr. Finkelstein, a reclusive former adviser to Gov. George E. Pataki, did not respond to a message left at his office seeking a comment on Mr. Clinton's remarks. But his allies quickly did.

"It's really beneath a former president to comment on someone's personal life like that," said Michael McKeon, a Republican strategist, former Pataki aide and friend of Mr. Finkelstein's. "After everything he has been through in his own life, you'd think he'd know better."

The spectacle of the former president coming to the defense of his wife, a tough politician in her own right, generated considerable buzz in political circles, particularly since Mr. Clinton has tried to keep a low profile and stay out of Mrs. Clinton's way since she took office.

While Mrs. Clinton's popularity rating is high and Republicans are having trouble finding a strong candidate to run against her, the senator's political advisers have seized on Mr. Finkelstein's plans as a strong sign of the fierce campaign they expect from Republicans.

Mr. Finkelstein, who helped engineer Mr. Pataki's 1994 victory over Gov. Mario M. Cuomo, has not publicly commented on his plans to establish an anti-Clinton committee.

But the Republicans familiar with those plans say he is attempting to line up donors to help the committee, called Stop Her Now, reach its goal of raising as much as $10 million to finance an independent campaign against her. In that context, Mr. Clinton offered high praise for his wife's record in office, describing her as a hard-working senator. "I don't think he'll stop her," he said, referring to Mr. Finkelstein.

Mr. Finkelstein's associates have said they were surprised to learn of his marriage to another man, in light of his history with the party and his own place as a prominent conservative. He has been allied over the years with Republicans who have adamantly opposed gay rights measures, including former Senator Jesse Helms of North Carolina. Mr. Finkelstein has been the subject of attacks by gay rights advocates who have accused him of hypocrisy.

Donald G. McNeil Jr. contributed reporting for this article.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: clintonlegacy; dirtyrats; finkelstein; gay; hillary; hitlary; homosexual; homosexualagenda; hrc; impeachedpotus; rats; slickwillie; worstlady; x42
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The x42s must fear this guy...and the Times has no idea what to do.
1 posted on 04/12/2005 3:28:19 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
Clinton Says Gay Opponent of His Wife May Be 'Self-Loathing'

This IS one thing Clinton ought to know about ..... self loathing.

2 posted on 04/12/2005 3:35:12 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Advanced Directive -- don't step on my blue suede shoes.)
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To: Pharmboy
. . . since Mr. Clinton has tried to keep a low profile and stay out of Mrs. Clinton's way since she took office.

Except when he is slicing her with one of a thousand cuts.

Bill Clinton is the enemy of our enemy in this fight.

3 posted on 04/12/2005 3:35:13 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Pharmboy

4 posted on 04/12/2005 3:35:49 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Pharmboy
particularly since Mr. Clinton has tried to keep a low profile and stay out of Mrs. Clinton's way since she took office.

This is good for a laugh this morning...low profile...bwahahahaha.

5 posted on 04/12/2005 3:37:09 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: Pharmboy

If anyone should be self loathing....Bubba should be at the top of the list.......


6 posted on 04/12/2005 3:37:15 AM PDT by Route101
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To: leadpenny

Rudy.....Where are ya when we need ya?


7 posted on 04/12/2005 3:38:11 AM PDT by bullseye1911 (Not as good as I once was, but as good once as I ever was!)
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To: Howlin; governsleastgovernsbest; aculeus; Lazamataz; NYC GOP Chick; goldstategop

Ya gotsta see this...


8 posted on 04/12/2005 3:38:17 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Pharmboy

Maybe Mr. Fincklestein thinks the government has no damn business in who he marries or how...


9 posted on 04/12/2005 3:40:19 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Clemenza; BrooklynGOP; thefactor; knighthawk

*Ping*


10 posted on 04/12/2005 3:40:20 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: billorites

That brings back memories...


11 posted on 04/12/2005 3:41:22 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Bahbah

It's hard for me to understand that the folks at the NYT don't understand that everything Bill Clinton does or says has a double and reverse meaning. I guess they've been drinking the Kool Aid for so long, they can't change now.


12 posted on 04/12/2005 3:44:59 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Pharmboy

Just like Bill Clinton to bash gays.


13 posted on 04/12/2005 3:51:29 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Pharmboy

Sorry Bubba, it's just CLINTON LOATHING.


14 posted on 04/12/2005 4:12:21 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: Bahbah
Mr. Clinton has tried to keep a low profile? Since when? I was hoping after he was out of office that he would fade away, but no such luck. Maybe it's just my bad luck, but I keep seeing him everywhere for photo-ops, even at the Pope's funeral.
15 posted on 04/12/2005 4:21:04 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Pharmboy

Bill must have taken Psych 101 at some point in his college career.

He sounds like a freshman expounding his knowledge after taking an intro course.


16 posted on 04/12/2005 4:35:56 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Just because you put lipstick on a pig doesn't mean it smells any better.)
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To: Pharmboy
"I was sort of sad when I read it," Mr. Clinton said, speaking at a news conference at his office in Harlem, where he announced that his foundation was donating $10 million to treat children with AIDS.

I'd love to get a look at that foundation's books....

17 posted on 04/12/2005 4:38:59 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: beyond the sea
There is absolutely nothing that would make Clinton loathe himself .......

except maybe missing an opportunity to talk about himself in front of a camera.

18 posted on 04/12/2005 4:40:57 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: beyond the sea
This IS one thing Clinton ought to know about ..... self loathing.

Bill Clinton does not have to loathe himself. He has Hillary! to do that for him!

(from article)"I was sort of sad when I read it," Mr. Clinton said, speaking at a news conference at his office in Harlem, where he announced that his foundation was donating $10 million to treat children with AIDS.

Does anybody check to see if this money actually ever goes to where Bubba says it goes, or does he get to issue these self-serving press releases for free? What's next, $20 million to provide shelter for the orphan puppies of 9/11?

19 posted on 04/12/2005 4:47:57 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Pharmboy

If we were to take Bill Clinton seriously, he is saying that the Democratic Party is the party of sexual predators such as himself, radical feminists, homosexuals and - I shouldn't forget - the poor who can be bribed by the policy of redistribting the wealth of the middle class to them.


20 posted on 04/12/2005 4:54:05 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Pharmboy
Gay bashing from X42.

Oh, I love the smell of hypocracy and fear in the morning.

21 posted on 04/12/2005 5:01:03 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: gridlock
Bill Clinton does not have to loathe himself. He has Hillary! to do that for him!

Right............ "You stupid, stupid, stupid bastard. My God, Bill, how could you risk everything for that?" -- Hillary to Bill on his conduct with interns. --- Bill and Hillary: The Marriage

22 posted on 04/12/2005 5:02:27 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Advanced Directive -- don't step on my blue suede shoes.)
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To: bullseye1911
The dirt and garbage just waiting to be dumped on Rudy is something he doesn't need.

The man has been through more than enough.

And it won't only be coming from the left, plent right here on the left just primed and ready.

23 posted on 04/12/2005 5:02:35 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: gridlock
Then there's this take on that strange dynamic:

"Hillary loves Bill. And Bill loves Bill. It gives them something in common." -- Dick Morris

24 posted on 04/12/2005 5:04:03 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Advanced Directive -- don't step on my blue suede shoes.)
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To: Pharmboy
...Times has no idea what to do.

They know to support and protect Hillary.

25 posted on 04/12/2005 5:06:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: OldFriend
Foxo and Friends discussed this this morning. They couldn't quite figure out the comment, thought he was really twisting in order to come up with an explanation.

As an aside, does it ever occur to gay democrats that the worst attacks on them come from people in their own party?

26 posted on 04/12/2005 5:07:21 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: beyond the sea
"This IS one thing Clinton ought to know about ..... self loathing."

He ought to but I bet he doesn't.

Carolyn

27 posted on 04/12/2005 5:09:57 AM PDT by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: Miss Marple
Bill had only one agenda and that was to make sure everyone knew the man was gay.

The left is willing to take the money from homosexual groups but in their hearts they seem them only as votes and not human beings.

Republicans are far more tolerant of others' lifestyles.

28 posted on 04/12/2005 5:10:03 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: OldFriend
Bill had only one agenda and that was to make sure everyone knew the man was gay.

Exactly!

29 posted on 04/12/2005 5:11:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: bullseye1911

Agreed. He should run for Senator from NY. He cannot win the Republican presidential nomination.


30 posted on 04/12/2005 5:11:15 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Pharmboy

Ironic how liberals will turn to gay-bashing in a second when it suits their purposes.


31 posted on 04/12/2005 5:12:03 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: CDHart
"This IS one thing Clinton ought to know about ..... self loathing." ---------- He ought to but I bet he doesn't.

I guess you are mostly correct. But I hold out the thought that he is smart enough to know that he has wasted his abilities and personal "charm" only for self- indulgence and gratification in his life.

He trashed his responsibilities and his country and his friends.

I think he knows, but he hides it somewhat well.

32 posted on 04/12/2005 5:16:56 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Advanced Directive -- don't step on my blue suede shoes.)
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To: Pharmboy

"Self-loathing." This kind of cheap shot suggests that x42 is taking things personally. "I am the demi-god of the sexual non-conformist, thou shalt not have other politics before me." To be gay and Republican is to be personally disloyal to Bubba. Remember, it's all about him.
Anyone who leaves the reservation assigned to them by the liberals, must be insane, so it's ok to diagnose this obvious case even if you're not BC. But different avenues lead to the same conclusion, anyone who's both gay and Republican is hopelessly demented and begging for personal destruction.


33 posted on 04/12/2005 5:17:48 AM PDT by Graymatter (2006 clear choice: Give me Hillary or give me Darth!)
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To: OldFriend
Oh, I love the smell of hypocracy and fear in the morning.

'Hypocrisy' ............ I can't spell it either, I had to check myself. ;-)

But I have found that when you are going to criticize someone for being hypocritical, you should at least spell it right.

I'm smiling, I hope you are.

:-)

34 posted on 04/12/2005 5:21:24 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Advanced Directive -- don't step on my blue suede shoes.)
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"only one agenda: make sure everyone knew the man is gay"

This is true.

But clearly he did much more than that by speaking about "self-loathing". The stereotype absolutely abhored by gays, because it suggests they know they are doing something very wrong, so they can't help loathing themselves.

If a Republican or conservative said it, it would be front page news and editorialized against to the max.

The MSM likely won't do that, but people like Rush will.

And we should never forget it, and we should use it against the Democrats whenever it is appropriate.


35 posted on 04/12/2005 5:21:33 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Graymatter
Bingo.

They do the same thing to African Americans who support Republicans and conservative issues. This is from their playbook.

36 posted on 04/12/2005 5:25:54 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: txrangerette

Good insight.

Bill killed two birds with one stone.


37 posted on 04/12/2005 5:30:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Pharmboy

Ya just can't make this stuff up!


38 posted on 04/12/2005 5:35:21 AM PDT by I_dmc
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You're right, of course, but what makes this a delicate issue for the Old Gray Lady on 43rd Street is the gay-bashing angle. For them, gay = good, no matter what.


39 posted on 04/12/2005 5:38:01 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Pharmboy

I think x42 also is panicking about the soon-to-be-released Ed Klein book about Hillary. Here's what the NY Daily News' Lloyd Grove wrote about it today:

Is Sen. Hillary Clinton bracing for a literary "Swift Boat" ambush in the form of a scandalous biography by Kennedy family nemesis Ed Klein? Klein's latest book, "The Truth About Hillary: What She Knew, When She Knew It, and How Far She'll Go to Become President," won't be out till August at the earliest.

But already, cybergossip Matt Drudge - a proud member of Clinton's vaunted "vast right-wing conspiracy" - is claiming that Klein's publisher, The Penguin Group, is enmeshed in a bitter internal dispute over the publication of the sensational volume by Penguin's conservative Sentinel imprint.

"The revelations in it should sink her [presidential] candidacy," Drudge quoted a so-called "source close to Klein."

Klein yesterday wouldn't shed any light on Drudge's account and uttered a noncommittal "uh-huh" when I noted that some might consider the report a ploy by Sentinel to generate prepublication buzz. Meanwhile, Clinton's press secretary, Philippe Reines, told me: "We don't comment on works of fiction."

But Sentinel associate publisher Will Weisser insisted: "We are very excited about publishing the Clinton book for September, but it's an embargoed book. I can't comment about any kind of internal discussions at Penguin."


40 posted on 04/12/2005 5:40:41 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Pharmboy; dighton; general_re; Thinkin' Gal; Lijahsbubbe
The x42s must fear this guy...and the Times has no idea what to do.

The Times's notorious in-house Gay Mafia is having the vapors ... a favorite Democrat attacking a (gasp!) openly gay Republican.

41 posted on 04/12/2005 5:40:52 AM PDT by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: Pharmboy
...For them, gay = good, no matter what.

Except, when it serves a political purpose and everyone on the left knows the game.

42 posted on 04/12/2005 5:46:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: missyme; cyborg; Doctor Raoul

Didn't-want-you-guys-to-miss-this-one ping...


43 posted on 04/12/2005 5:49:12 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: All
Visit this poll (lower right side of page):

Hillary for President?

o She's got my vote if she runs
o Not sure, but she's sounding better and better
o Sure - when hell freezes over

44 posted on 04/12/2005 5:54:28 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Pharmboy
"I was sort of sad when I read it," Mr. Clinton said.

So sad he turned purple.

45 posted on 04/12/2005 5:57:24 AM PDT by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: Pharmboy

Can't clinton just do us all a favor and STFU? Where was the barf warning on this piece???


46 posted on 04/12/2005 6:06:16 AM PDT by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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To: astounded
I figured we didn't need a Barf Alert since the headline began: "Clinton Says...."

A self-contained Barf Alert.

47 posted on 04/12/2005 6:14:21 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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"I was sort of sad when I read it,"

Nothing screams, "Yuppie scum" more than the gratuitous use of the phrase, "...sort of..."

It's the "Y'know" of the 90s and aughts.

48 posted on 04/12/2005 6:19:46 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Pharmboy

Oh please. Finkelstein is all about the benjamins as are all lobbyists, political advertisers, politicians,etc. It has nothing to with self loathing. the only thing loathing is Hillary.


49 posted on 04/12/2005 6:21:52 AM PDT by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: Pharmboy

I might agree with Bill on this, why would this guy call himself a Republican?


50 posted on 04/12/2005 6:22:49 AM PDT by Delphinium
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