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German ruling says Dresden was a holocaust
Telegraph ^ | 4-12-5 | Hannah Cleaver in Berlin

Posted on 04/12/2005 4:46:09 PM PDT by SJackson

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To: pbrown
Tell me one thing that Lion in Winter, has said that is not true. He has stated the facts.

He has delighted in the slaughter of innocents. That's what we're talking about.

Maybe it offends your delicate sensibilities to call a spade a spade.

LOL. I haven't spent 5 years on FR nurturing "delicate sensibilities." Check back with me when you've been here longer than 6 months, twerp.

I and many people respect when a persons speaks their minds.

Then you'll love this: you're an idiot.

81 posted on 04/12/2005 6:25:28 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Alouette
I hate high winds, but that does not make me a . . . whoosh!




;O)

82 posted on 04/12/2005 6:26:13 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: Lurker 50001
Kurt was in the American army. He ended up as a POW in the area.

Schizophrenia seems to run in his family so I don't think it was this experience that caused his later emotional problems. Still, his book about the event is worth reading.

83 posted on 04/12/2005 6:28:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

"You can argue until you're blue in the face that the Dresden event demoralized the German people and prepared them for defeat."

It demoralized those at Dresden.

"On the other hand all you need to do is pick up a Russian book on the matter and they'll instruct you that it was the Red Army, on the ground, using missile launchers and tanks, and lots and lots of infantrymen, who defeated the German nation and it's army."

And what else should one expect from a Russian book? Seems like the Russians have never had any problem tooting their own horn justified or not.


84 posted on 04/12/2005 6:31:26 PM PDT by Lurker 50001
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To: muawiyah
Uh, the "blitz of London" is called the "blitz of London".

London didn't burn down.

I didn't ask what it was called, I asked how it was characterized. I'm of the opinion that words have meaning, and I wanted to know what the meaning was.

85 posted on 04/12/2005 6:32:45 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (" It is not true that life is one damn thing after another-it's one damn thing over and over." ESV)
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To: Petronski

Have you read Slaughterhouse 5?


86 posted on 04/12/2005 6:32:50 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Petronski

Sorry, I just don't fall for every fad that comes along. If you think that believing every book you read makes you look intelligent and sophisticated, you are neither. If you can't make a point, and just insist in trying to prove your superiority, you're no different that every self-important pseudo-intellectual I've ever seen. I know bullshit when I see it, and I've seen a lot of it on this thread.


87 posted on 04/12/2005 6:34:31 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus
If you think that believing every book you read makes you look intelligent and sophisticated, you are neither.

But I don't think that, so it doesn't apply.

If you can't make a point, and just insist in trying to prove your superiority, you're no different that every self-important pseudo-intellectual I've ever seen.

Again, does not apply to me.

I know bullshit when I see it, and I've seen a lot of it on this thread.

You've spread a lot of it on this thread.

88 posted on 04/12/2005 6:37:33 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: Lurker 50001
Well, OK, whatever the Russians were doing they sure lost a lot of people doing it.

United States industry was focused on supporting them in doing it too. Their tanks were made in Detroit (although they cast their own guns). Their ammunition was manufactured in Louisville. The engines for their trucks were manufactured in Indianapolis. The bread they ate was made from wheat grown in Kansas and Nebraska. The pork in their Spam came from hogs raised in the American Corn Belt. Their clothes were made out of American cotton and wool, and the shoes on their feet were built in small factories all over the American Midwest and South set up for just this purpose, and the leather in those shoes was from American cattle.

WWII was a war of total mobilization in the United States. We didn't do it by ourselves.

89 posted on 04/12/2005 6:38:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Petronski

Nice try. If you can't do any better than that, this little debate is over.


90 posted on 04/12/2005 6:39:59 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: muawiyah; Alouette
I wrote..."I often think they deserved at least ONE atomic bomb. They got a firebombed Dresden... they really deserved a whole lot WORSE!"

You know what? The Americans were using science derided by herr hitler as "Jew science" to develop a bomb which would be used to end that horrid war. A war... that hitler and his Germans started.

Well, let's just say this. It would have been so supremely ironic if herr hitler had gotten one of those bombs dropped right on him in Berlin.

Hooray for Einstein, Bohr, Fermi and Oppenheimer!! And all those many others who helped to develop the BOMB!! It took just TOO, TOO LONG for herr hitler to get the full force of said, "Jew science". A force that he and his nazis so richly deserved.

91 posted on 04/12/2005 6:40:22 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (LIFE SPRINGS ETERNAL!!)
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To: cicero's_son

No, I haven't read Slaughterhouse-Five, though I have seen the film. Being a novel, I wouldn't rely too heavily on it.


92 posted on 04/12/2005 6:41:07 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: ozzymandus

It's not a debate. It's about you screaming strawmen and insults and me wondering what the hell is wrong with you.


93 posted on 04/12/2005 6:41:54 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: ozzymandus

I can safely say that your 40 years of studying WWII might equal just once of my courses at West Point concerning history & WWII. Since military history was my Major at West Point, you just made ANOTHER FALSE statement. Taylor's book IS very good and you are clueless. READ THE BOOK.


94 posted on 04/12/2005 6:42:09 PM PDT by Yasotay
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To: Lion in Winter
Anyway, just make sure that's all you were hoping for. Germany was already in our possession before the bombs were ready.

Now, another thing to think about ~ the Japanese had gone to war in East Asia long before the Germans got going in Europe. It can be argued that the Japanese started the WWII period. Notice that fate arranged for them to get hit with atom bombs first!

Your instincts are probably in line with God's mind, but your schedule of events is a tad different.

95 posted on 04/12/2005 6:42:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lion in Winter
If the U.S. had fought WW2 tiptoeing around trying to be "politically correct" the Nazis would have won.
96 posted on 04/12/2005 6:43:44 PM PDT by Alouette (If I owned Hell and I owned Brooklyn, I'd live in Hell and rent out Brooklyn.)
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To: Petronski

"Screaming"? You poor little baby.


97 posted on 04/12/2005 6:44:16 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: muawiyah

Have you read World War 2, by H.P. Willmot,Robin Cross, and Charles Messenger?


98 posted on 04/12/2005 6:45:15 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Alouette
"Does hating brussels sprouts make you a brussel sprout?

I am sure glad of that! LOL. ; ^ )

99 posted on 04/12/2005 6:45:59 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (LIFE SPRINGS ETERNAL!!)
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To: Yasotay

You still haven't pointed out a single false statement I supposedly made. I'm not impressed by your caps either. I'll bet the enlisten men really loved you. Assuming you actually got a commission.


100 posted on 04/12/2005 6:46:36 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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