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Report: Some high-tech border surveillance systems not working
KVOA, Tucson Arizona ^ | April 12, 2005, 09:31 AM | AP/KVOA

Posted on 04/12/2005 7:37:34 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles

Hundreds of sensors and cameras designed to detect undocumented immigrants along U.S. borders were not working last year or were not installed in a timely manner, according to an audit report.

Federal inspectors visited three Arizona sites last year, Nogales, Naco and Tucson, and found none of the remote surveillance systems was fully operational.

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In Naco, auditors said they found equipment in storage and camera poles lying in the desert next to a border patrol station while in Nogales, the equipment had been delivered but installation was still in progress last summer.

(Excerpt) Read more at kvoa.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arizona; borders; bordersecurity; minutemen
Remember this when you hear of the BP whining about the Minutement setting off sensors. Lying bastards. (BP that is)
1 posted on 04/12/2005 7:37:34 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles

I heard the "low tech" border patrol wasn't working much either.


2 posted on 04/12/2005 7:39:40 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (My US Army daughter outshot everybody in her basic training company.)
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To: axes_of_weezles

Right you are. Border Patriot BUMP!


3 posted on 04/12/2005 7:41:16 PM PDT by Libertina (If anything be pure, if anything be just, think on it.)
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To: HiJinx

Notify the crowd...


4 posted on 04/12/2005 7:43:58 PM PDT by Old Sarge (In for a penny, in for a pound, saddlin' up and Baghdad-bound!)
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To: axes_of_weezles

A whole lot of things haven't been working for a long time. Faulty equipment is only the tip of the ice berg. Nice to know at least this much is being reported.


5 posted on 04/12/2005 7:51:45 PM PDT by tomball
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; ...

I think it's a duplicate, different source. A ping couldn't hurt, though!

Maybe get some new discussion this way.

Remember, our weapons' systems and other Government-contracted items are being built by the lowest bidder!


6 posted on 04/12/2005 7:53:32 PM PDT by HiJinx (Report Illegals ~ 1-877-USBP-HELP (872-7435))
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To: axes_of_weezles
Amazing we will have to "Import" security devices I would suggest Israel since America is incapable of making anything that works any more.
7 posted on 04/12/2005 7:56:22 PM PDT by Fast1 (Destroy America buy Chinese goods,Shop at Wal-Mart 3/18/05 American was gone when I woke up)
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To: HiJinx

Are these the sensors the Minutemen were setting off?


8 posted on 04/12/2005 7:57:24 PM PDT by occutegirl (George III did not like Minutemen either.)
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To: axes_of_weezles

build the Wall...........


9 posted on 04/12/2005 8:00:35 PM PDT by injin
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To: occutegirl

I don't think so...the longer article talked about mast mounted video/infrared sensors, not underground motion sensors.

The cameras are in use down here, some have even been shot out from across the border.


10 posted on 04/12/2005 8:00:45 PM PDT by HiJinx (Report Illegals ~ 1-877-USBP-HELP (872-7435))
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To: axes_of_weezles

I'm all for the Minutemen, even IF they occasionally and inadvertantly set off sensors. The Minutemen have alerted the BP to illegals, discouraged the illegals from crossing in the Minutemen areas based on illegals' fear of detection, and generally complicated the law-breaking, among other benefits.

That said, respectfully, isn't it jumping the gun to say that the BP is lying about the sensors?

The article says SOME (not necessarily all) sensors are not working and none of the sensors are working COMPLETELY in the three mentioned locations.

Therefore, some sensors could still be working sufficiently at the Minutemen area to trigger the alleged false alarms, right?


11 posted on 04/12/2005 8:01:43 PM PDT by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: axes_of_weezles

We don' need no steekin' sensors. We have the crack Border Patrol keeping our borders safe, or at least that's what the MSM is saying every day that the Minutemen have been out there.


12 posted on 04/12/2005 8:04:00 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: HiJinx

I would guess that they would use the Cameras to get an accurate count of the new "Migrants"


13 posted on 04/12/2005 8:06:24 PM PDT by Afronaut (Press two for English.)
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To: BillF

The problem is, this is an audit. It shows incompetence and technical illiteracy, and possibly a conflict with the Unions, since automated sensors and cameras would be used to verify sensor alerts versus a truck roll. This is exactly what the BP was bitching about.
It shows technical incompetence, period.
It shows poor program management.
It shows a waste of resources, tax money - mine and yours.
I suppose you dont mind tax money being wasted.
Cast the pearls amongst the swine.


14 posted on 04/12/2005 8:06:48 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles (Ha!)
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To: Fast1
Your post triggered an idea. It's about time we get something back from Israel in return for all the aid we give them. I suggest they be put in charge of building a wall across our southern border and patrolling it. I'd even pay them something for doing it. Can't think of a better group to protect us from the illegals.
15 posted on 04/12/2005 8:09:45 PM PDT by Founding Father (Another pearl of wisdom from my imaginary mind.)
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To: axes_of_weezles
I hate the PC label "Undocumented Immigrant". I prefer something a little more accurate and descriptive, like "Parasitic Invaders".
16 posted on 04/12/2005 8:22:48 PM PDT by Boiling point (If God had not meant for man to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat!)
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To: axes_of_weezles
You know what amazes me is that in the Vietnam War, we developed sensots that could be deployed by air and track the NVA, Viet Cong and their vehicles during Operation Linebacker and Linebacker II among other times, yet we cannot do so on our borders. Plus WE DID THIS WITH 1960'S TECHNOLOGY so I'm sure we are more technically advanced now 35+ years later so I'm sure we can do it now if we could do it then. WE need to get crackin' on the border issue NOW.
17 posted on 04/12/2005 8:26:22 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian - Any Questions?)
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To: axes_of_weezles
Remember this when you hear of the BP whining about the Minutement setting off sensors. Lying bastards. (BP that is)

Yeah, it's really kinda hard to set off sensors that aren't working. I wonder if it's the BP's fault, or if this is the fault of those who want to allow illegals a clear path into America? You know, like an order from the top? Nah, what am I saying, there's no way our government would do such a thing. < / sarcasm >

18 posted on 04/12/2005 8:27:55 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..)
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To: HiJinx
Reported previously from the Washington Post here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1381429/posts

Near Buffalo, N.Y., IMC billed the government for 59 cameras but installed four, and in Naco, Ariz., unassembled high-tech gear was found lying in the desert, the report says. "No IMC personnel had been on-site since the equipment was delivered" in 2003, the report says.

19 posted on 04/12/2005 8:37:14 PM PDT by LNewman
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To: Boiling point
Parasitic Invaders

That's a much more accurate term!
20 posted on 04/12/2005 8:40:52 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Bush talks about jobs Americans won't do - one we will do is (undocumented) U.S. Border Patrol Agent)
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To: LNewman

Looks like AP is copying the ComPost.
Sorry did not check on the same keywords.


22 posted on 04/12/2005 8:45:01 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles (Ha!)
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To: axes_of_weezles
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And here's an older article from the Detroit Free Press. Cameras aren't on lookout at the border.

Excerpt:

The surveillance contract will come under further scrutiny as part of a rare national review being conducted by the internal auditing arm of the General Services Administration. The review was launched after auditors discovered considerable financial waste and bogus contracts after looking into a fraction of the nation's technology and defense contracts, said Eugene Waszily, assistant inspector general for auditing for the administration.

"Because of the seriousness of the deficiencies" in the sample audit, he said, "the agency requested that we review all of them."

The General Services Administration purchases about $5 billion annually in technology-related service and products for border agencies and the military, according to auditors.

A Connecticut-based company called International Microwave Corp. was awarded a $200-million government contract in 2002 as the only prime contractor to install the camera system along the northern border.

Shortly after the award, IMC was acquired by L-3 Communications Inc., a global company based in New York that deals in defense communications and surveillance systems.

Company officials could not be reached late Friday.

23 posted on 04/12/2005 9:21:16 PM PDT by LNewman
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To: axes_of_weezles

What does it matter if the sensors are not working as long as Uncle Ned got the contract?


24 posted on 04/12/2005 9:29:13 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: LNewman

I would not fault L3 per se. I would blame IMC. They probably misrepresented themselves to get bought out by L3.

I have used some of L3's equipment. It is well manufactured and works.

I find fault with the BP managers; who did not put the contractors feet to the fire.

GSA has some blame, too, they probably sold the BP the bill of goods.

Outsourcing has it's price.


25 posted on 04/12/2005 9:30:21 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles (Ha!)
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To: NRA2BFree
"...or if this is the fault of those who want to allow illegals a clear path..." It's been suggested that the ACLU human rights abuse monitors, whom I somehow never thought of as being the savvy outdoors types, were triggering the sensors.
26 posted on 04/12/2005 9:35:02 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: LNewman

L-3 (LaPenta, Lanza, and Lehman Bros.) buys promising mid-cap defense contractors and gets fat on their expertise. L-3 usually lets the original management of the acquired company stay on and manage the contracts.

I guess IMC was a bad purchase. That happens.


27 posted on 04/12/2005 9:35:46 PM PDT by HiJinx (Report Illegals ~ 1-877-USBP-HELP (872-7435))
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To: axes_of_weezles
All of the defective, inoperable and ignored sensors in the world are no substitute for an effective border fence.


28 posted on 04/12/2005 9:48:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: axes_of_weezles
Remember this when you hear of the BP whining about the Minutement setting off sensors. Lying bastards. (BP that is)

There are hundreds of sensors in Yuma Sector and they do work. (Whether the Minutemen are setting them off is a different issue). What this article is talking about is some other stuff that got botched, never delivered, or didn't work properly.

29 posted on 04/12/2005 10:05:40 PM PDT by John Jorsett (email: mistersandiego yahoo.com (put the at sign in between those two))
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To: John Jorsett

See #13, and #14


30 posted on 04/12/2005 10:10:45 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles (Ha!)
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To: Nowhere Man

"WE DID THIS WITH 1960'S TECHNOLOGY"

You would not believe the number of times people told me how it simply 'can't be done'.


31 posted on 04/13/2005 2:43:19 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: axes_of_weezles
Hundreds of sensors and cameras designed to detect undocumented immigrants along U.S. borders were not working last year or were not installed in a timely manner, according to an audit report.

Surprise surprise! Did Homeland Security hire Vicente Fox to put the sensors and cameras in place, one wonders silently to one's self?

32 posted on 04/13/2005 6:51:06 AM PDT by swampfox98 (Michael Reagan: "It's time to stop the flood.")
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To: Founding Father
They would be the best for that job and the climate is about the same also.
33 posted on 04/13/2005 1:28:41 PM PDT by Fast1 (Destroy America buy Chinese goods,Shop at Wal-Mart 3/18/05 American was gone when I woke up)
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To: Fast1
The problem with the technology they are using on the border is related to the cost/benefit ratio. Why would someone spend 3-4 million dollars on an unmanned airplane to see a couple of square miles when the technology (off the shelf by the way) is out there to completely view 100% of the U.S. Mexico border for about 50 mill. The minuteman project in my opinion has been a huge success. Until we stand up and tell politicians that they either secure our border or forget reelection they will do nothing.
34 posted on 04/19/2005 2:49:42 PM PDT by Rooney
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