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Bill O'Reilly touts Bishop Spong's new book (one claim in the book: St Paul was closeted gay)
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Posted on 04/12/2005 11:19:52 PM PDT by churchillbuff

O'Reilly has written a dustjacket blurb for Bishop Spong's new book: "The Sins of Scripture challenges Christians to look beyond the myths of their faith into the heart of the matter." I also got an email from a Spong-promoting outfit that says O'Reilly will have Spong on his show.

Here's the Publishers Weekly review on amazon:

Spong, a retired Episcopal bishop and prominent spokesperson for liberal Christianity, focuses this book on "terrible texts" which have been used to justify such "sins" as overbreeding, degradation of the environment, sexism, child abuse and anti-Semitism. These biblical texts, according to Spong, are not the incontrovertible Word of God, but flawed human responses to perceived threats. An incendiary example of this is Spong's assertion that Paul was a closeted gay man whose anti-gay statements were motivated by little more than his own self-loathing. Spong does not stop there; in the course of the book he suggests that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married; that none of the supernatural events described in the Bible took place (including the resurrection); and that theism itself is a misunderstanding of God. Interestingly, readers who do not endorse Spong's radical reinterpretation of Christianity will still find much in this book they can affirm. His explanation of the roots of Christian anti-Semitism is fascinating and much less challenging to orthodoxy than many of his other claims. Unfortunately, Spong leads with his weakest section, which features a variety of poorly constructed arguments claiming, but giving inadequate evidence for, a strong causal relationship between biblical injunctions and both overpopulation and environmental problems. Nonetheless, this absorbing book has much to offer readers of all persuasions.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: bishopspong; bookreview; endoftheage; homosexualagenda; oreilly; religiousleft; sinsofscripture; sodomite; spong
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1 posted on 04/12/2005 11:19:53 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

If this is true then O'Reilly is a degenerate. Didn't Christ say something about false teachers leading people astray?


2 posted on 04/12/2005 11:21:40 PM PDT by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: churchillbuff
Bishop Spong is a blasphemer.
3 posted on 04/12/2005 11:26:40 PM PDT by Jaysun (I must warn you, I am a black belt in bullshitsu)
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To: churchillbuff

Spong as in SpongeBob?

O'Reilly must lack discernment not to realize he is being USED-- not just to sell books, but books that deliberately seek to undermine heteronorms and spread lies about the Bible itself.

HEY BILL! Wake UP! Don't be PLAYED like this!


4 posted on 04/12/2005 11:31:15 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (ATTN. MARXIST RED MSM: I RESENT your "RED STATE" switcheroo using our ELECTORAL MAP as PROPAGANDA!)
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To: churchillbuff
tisk tisk... But anyone who has watched BOR for any length of time will know that he believes that one need not believe in the divinity of Christ or salvation in order to attain everlasting life. He believes in a Catholic teaching that says that salvation can be attained through works. He isn't exactly an orthodox Catholic if that is the correct term.
5 posted on 04/12/2005 11:37:29 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1366853/)
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To: Jaysun

Actually he's a well known Biblical scholar and devoutly religious from an early age, but he's getting on in years.


6 posted on 04/12/2005 11:37:31 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: churchillbuff

So the Leprechaun pimps for Spong's new book and deliberately ignores Savage's. Guess we know where his head is at.


7 posted on 04/12/2005 11:49:36 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: churchillbuff

O'Reilly is losing it.


8 posted on 04/12/2005 11:52:37 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Jaysun
My ex father-in-law is a real clymer. Even he didn't have anything good to say about Spong when I would relate
Spong-related articles to him from Nation Review, and that about 15 years ago.
9 posted on 04/12/2005 11:58:16 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: durasell

"Actually he's a well known Biblical scholar and devoutly religious from an early age, but he's getting on in years."

Actually, he's a homo(sexual). That is his (pagan) religion.


10 posted on 04/12/2005 11:59:58 PM PDT by Al Simmons (4-time 'W' voter, 1994-2004.)
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To: cyborg

O'Reilly is an ass. I think he did it for the cash.

Spong need all our prayers...he's on very thin ice.


11 posted on 04/13/2005 12:01:12 AM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: Salvation
O'Reilly is losing it.

I'm not sure he ever had it to be able to lose...

12 posted on 04/13/2005 12:02:00 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Tagline Wanted. Apply within.)
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...
Heretical Ping.
13 posted on 04/13/2005 12:02:26 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Screw the truth into men's minds." Richard Baxter)
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To: Al Simmons

That would probably come as a surprise to his wife, though she died a couple years ago. It would also come as a surprise to the Episcopal Church, which he served for more than half a century.


14 posted on 04/13/2005 12:02:29 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Petronski

Spong is in a worse position than O'Reilly. Spong is supposed to be a minister except he's proven himself to be the minister of Satan.


15 posted on 04/13/2005 12:05:43 AM PDT by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: cyborg

Yes, his CV is certainly satanic...

THE RIGHT REVEREND JOHN SHELBY SPONG, D.D.
Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Newark

John Shelby Spong, scholar, author and bishop, is the most published member of the House of Bishops of the Episcopal Church in the United States. He is the author of fourteen books. His published articles now number in excess of ninety.
Bishop Spong stands in the tradition of Anglican bishops that has included Will Scarlett, John E. Hines, Angus Dun and, to some degree, James A. Pike in America and William Temple, Hensley Hanson, John A. T. Robinson and David Jenkins in England. He is a frequent lecturer at conference centers and on college campuses. On four occasions he has been the guest speaker at Chautauqua in western New York State.

Born in 1931 in Charlotte, North Carolina, Bishop Spong was educated in the public schools of Charlotte, was a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill in 1952 and received his Master of Divinity degree in 1955 from the Protestant Episcopal Theological Seminary in Virginia. That seminary and St. Paul's College have both conferred on him honorary Doctor of Divinity degrees. He served as rector of St. Joseph's Church in Durham, North Carolina from 1955 to 1957; rector of Calvary Parish, Tarboro, North Carolina from 1957 to 1965; rector of St. John's Church in Lynchburg, Virginia from 1965 to 1969; and rector of St. Paul's Church in Richmond, Virginia from 1969 to 1976. He was consecrated bishop on June 12, 1976.

Bishop Spong has served on a wide variety of diocesan committees and commissions, including being editor of The North Carolina Churchman, president of the Standing Committee and three times deputy to General Convention. He has been president of the Alumni Association of his seminary and a trustee, both of his seminary and of St. Paul's College. He has also been president of the New Jersey Council of Churches.

Nationally, he has been a theological consultant to the Episcopal Radio and Television Foundation, a consultant to the Standing Liturgical Commission and a member of the Overseas Review Committee of the national church. In 1973 he was elected by General Convention to a six-year term on the Executive Council, the highest governing body of the Episcopal Church, other than the General Convention. In 1986, under Presiding Bishop Edmond Browning, he was appointed to serve on the Standing Commission on Human Affairs and Health. He currently serves on the House of Bishop's Theology Committee.

Bishop Spong has always had an active interest in sports and was at one time a play-by-play announcer for radio stations in Tarboro, North Carolina, and Lynchburg, Virginia, covering football, basketball and baseball. He also served as sports editor for The Daily Southerner in Tarboro. In 1991 he was elected the Quatercentenary Scholar at Emmanuel College of Cambridge University and in 1993 was a guest lecturer at Oxford University in the United Kingdom


16 posted on 04/13/2005 12:06:33 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

A wolf in sheep's clothing no less.


17 posted on 04/13/2005 12:08:06 AM PDT by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: cyborg

No. A wolf in SHEPHERD's clothing!


18 posted on 04/13/2005 12:09:31 AM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: marsh_of_mists; churchillbuff

http://www.layman.org/layman/news/news-from-pcusa/episcopal-bishops-column.htm


19 posted on 04/13/2005 12:09:59 AM PDT by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: cyborg

Yes, O'Reilly need only recant and disgorge the profits from this thing.

Spong needs miles and miles of rosary beads to be worn out on his behalf. He is defiant.


20 posted on 04/13/2005 12:11:03 AM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: cyborg

A guy that gets to be a Bishop and put "Right Reverend" before his name, I try not to show any disrespect towards him.


21 posted on 04/13/2005 12:11:54 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: marsh_of_mists; cyborg
No. A wolf in SHEPHERD's clothing!

Wow. That's perfect.

22 posted on 04/13/2005 12:12:28 AM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: durasell

You're far too kind and a gentleman :-)


23 posted on 04/13/2005 12:12:50 AM PDT by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: cyborg

You're far too kind and a gentleman :-)

...or maybe just hedging some of my bets.


24 posted on 04/13/2005 12:14:26 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: churchillbuff
Spong, a retired Episcopal bishop and prominent spokesperson for liberal Christianity,

It is sad that adjectives must be used in front of the word "Christianity" in order to facilitate meaning. I remember being shocked and offended the first time I saw it referred to as "biblical Christianity" (is there any other kind?!), but I understand now why such clarification might be necessary.

25 posted on 04/13/2005 12:14:51 AM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: churchillbuff

Overbreeding? Where does he get this as a "sin."


26 posted on 04/13/2005 12:16:49 AM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: churchillbuff

spong is an absolute blasphemous nut. go to www.johnankerberg.com</b> check out the debate (available on video) between Walter Martin and Spong.


27 posted on 04/13/2005 12:16:55 AM PDT by tame (Frist and Cheney are WRONG--Tom Delay is RIGHT!)
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To: churchillbuff
These biblical texts, according to Spong, are not the incontrovertible Word of God, but flawed human responses to perceived threats.

If the Bible is wrong, where does Spong's moral teachings and what he calls sins come from? If we can all make up our own, why is his "more right" than anyone else's?

28 posted on 04/13/2005 12:18:26 AM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: durasell

If he is a well known biblical scholar, why did he come to the conclusion, cited above, that the Bible is, in effect, detrimental to humanity? Where do his moral teachings come from, and why should they be accepted by anyone?


29 posted on 04/13/2005 12:19:54 AM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: Petronski

He deserves none of my respect for trashing the teachings of Christ.


30 posted on 04/13/2005 12:21:27 AM PDT by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: cyborg

Do you remember that scene at the end of "Ghost" when the dark spirits swarmed the murderer and pulled him away to the netherworld?



When I'm reminded of Spong, I can't get that image out of my head.


31 posted on 04/13/2005 12:23:49 AM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: nickcarraway

Just to play devil's advocate (sorry), I think it's definitely wrong for people to keep having kids when they can't afford them and as a result "have to" go on welfare ( I wouldn't call it a sin, tho').


32 posted on 04/13/2005 12:23:55 AM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: nickcarraway

I've only read a couple of his books and I'm not qualified to speak about religion in any depth. My perception -- just my perception -- is that he feels the text divinely inspired but secondary to a person's own "relationship" to God.

But again, I'm neither a biblical scholar or an expert on Spong. I just feel the guy deserves some respect, whether you happen to agree with him or not.


33 posted on 04/13/2005 12:24:27 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Petronski

I think when he dies, he's in for a 'whoopsie' of biblical proportions.


34 posted on 04/13/2005 12:24:35 AM PDT by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: k2blader
Spong, a retired Episcopal bishop and prominent spokesperson for liberal Christianity

Spong is not a spokesman for any kind of true Christianity. Spong is a spokesman for "liberal theology" (a far more accurate term).

btw, see post 27 :o)

35 posted on 04/13/2005 12:24:44 AM PDT by tame (Frist and Cheney are WRONG--Tom Delay is RIGHT!)
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To: churchillbuff
Spong does not stop there; in the course of the book he suggests that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married; that none of the supernatural events described in the Bible took place (including the resurrection); and that theism itself is a misunderstanding of God.

Good Lord!

That's not "liberal Christianity." It's not Christianity at all.

36 posted on 04/13/2005 12:25:33 AM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: tame

Good point, tame. :-)


37 posted on 04/13/2005 12:26:09 AM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: cyborg

I just reread the article and I'm with you. Mother of God!


38 posted on 04/13/2005 12:26:15 AM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: Petronski
Spong need all our prayers...he's on very thin ice.

Spong has long ago fallen through the ice.

39 posted on 04/13/2005 12:27:21 AM PDT by tame (Frist and Cheney are WRONG--Tom Delay is RIGHT!)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

Actually Catholics believe you must have faith in Christ.


40 posted on 04/13/2005 12:28:06 AM PDT by rudyudy
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To: durasell
Wow I admire you. Disagree but admire you. I like you and just because I do, I brought this over:
41 posted on 04/13/2005 12:28:16 AM PDT by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: tame

In speaking of his immortal soul, he'll not have fallen through the ice until he's died, as I understand it.


42 posted on 04/13/2005 12:28:19 AM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: tame

BTW, I don't understand how any Christian could remain in the Episcopal church these days..


43 posted on 04/13/2005 12:28:52 AM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
He isn't exactly an orthodox Catholic if that is the correct term.

That's the correct term, and on the whole, what BOR is saying is a
grotesquely distorted understanding of Roman Catholic dogma.

44 posted on 04/13/2005 12:30:29 AM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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To: rudyudy

According to BOR there is some tenet by which people are saved by works. He has mentioned it by name a couple of times but I havent ever been able to comprehend what he said.


45 posted on 04/13/2005 12:30:29 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1366853/)
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To: Petronski; tame

A person like Spong has a very hard heart. He's very deceived, so deceived it's sad. Only a 100,000 volt ZOT from God wakes up these people. I pity him and actually am afraid for anyone related to him because sometimes innocent people suffer for someone's disobedience (like King David's little baby).


46 posted on 04/13/2005 12:30:49 AM PDT by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: cyborg

I saw an interview once on TV with a nun who worked in Sunset Park. She provided family services, etc. She said something that always stuck with me, something to the effect of, "I never judge the people I work with. We're all born broken and look to God to make us whole."

I really liked that attitude.


47 posted on 04/13/2005 12:31:43 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Petronski
In speaking of his immortal soul, he'll not have fallen through the ice until he's died, as I understand it.

It seems more correct to say that all men have fallen through the ice, but they may be saved if they grab the lifeline before they die.

48 posted on 04/13/2005 12:31:50 AM PDT by tame (Frist and Cheney are WRONG--Tom Delay is RIGHT!)
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To: All

Anybody catch o'reilley sucking up to al sharpton tonight? Pretty pathetic even for the bloviator.


49 posted on 04/13/2005 12:31:58 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: tame

True enough. I won't bicker. My 'ice' was faith in Jesus as He is revealed in the Gospel.


50 posted on 04/13/2005 12:33:19 AM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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