The Japanese haven't apologized to China?

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[Dr. Marten]

While sifting through the information passing out of China in regards to the recent anti-Japanese demonstrations, I came across the following list of "apologies" from Japanese officials to China. I had heard before that Japan had apologized on 17 different occasions, but I've not been able to find a single source to document it.

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The myth that Japan has not apologized for its actions in WWII is just that a myth.

In 1972 an official Japanese communique stated:

"The Japanese [are] keenly conscious of the responsibility for the serious damage that Japan causes in the past to the Chinese people through war and deeply reproaches itself."

1982 Prime Minister Suzuki said:

"I am painfully aware of the responsibility for inflicting serious damages during the past war. We need to recognize criticism that (Japan's occupation) was invasion."

In 1984 Prime Minister Nakasone told the South Korean President:

"(Japan) brought enormous difficulty to your country and your people. I feel a deep sense of regret about that"

1990 Emperor Akihito said:

"I can't help feeling the deepest regret when I think of the suffering of the people . . . during this unfortunate period brought by my country."

1990 Prime Minister Kaifu said:

"I humbly feel deep regret and express forthright apology for the fact that the people of the Korean peninsula experienced unbearable anguish and grief because of our country's action."

In 1992 Emperor Akihito, while visiting China, said:

"I express my regret and contrition for what my country did to the people of China."

In 1993 Prime Minister said at a press conference:

"The last war was war of Japanese aggression."

1994 Prime Minister Murayama said during a visit to Korea:

"I'd like to express my apology from the bottom of my heart and deep regret seriously."

In 1995 Prime Minister Murayama said:

"In the not-to-distant past, Japan, through its colonial rule and aggression, caused tremendous damage and suffering to the people of many countries, particularly tose of Asia. In the hope that no such mistake will be made in the future, I regard, in the spirit of humanity, these irrefutable facts of history and express here once again my feelings of deep remorse and state my heartfelt apology."

In 2001 Foreign Minister Tanak said:

"We have never forgotten that Japan caused tremendous damage and suffering to the people of many countries during the last war. Many lost their precious lives and many were wounded. The war has left an incurable scar on many people, including former prisoners of war. Facing these facts of history in a spirit of humility, I reaffirm today our feelings of deep remorse and heartfelt apology."

In 2001 Prime Minister Koizumi said:

"I offer heartfelt apology and condolences to the Chinese victims of Japanese aggression"

He also laid a wreath a a memorial to Chinese war dead and signed the visitors book with characters asking for "forgiveness".

The above omits numerous other apologies to other countries like South Korea and the Philippines.

It's also a hell of a lot more than the CCP has done in respect of the Cultural Revolution, the Great Leap Forward, Tiananmen or Tibet.

Finally, since the war Japan has renounced aggression and become a liberal democracy that respects the rule of law. During the same periodChina has invaded Vietnam, India and Tibet, murdered and repressed millions of its own subjects and just passed a law requiring it to initiate military force to prevent Taiwanese independence.

The bottom line is that Japan has aplogized, repeatedly. And even if they hadn't, the thugs currently ruling China lack the standing to request an apology from anyone.

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[DustyMoment]

Concur. Japan is still a country where "saving face" is a critical cultural phenomenon and the fact that the Japanese have offered numerous apologies that have fallen on deaf ears is noteworthy.

It is equally noteworthy that, as Chine prepares for a possible war with Taiwan, Japan will be pulled into it as well since regional asian leaders appear to be stirring up antagonism toward Japan by people who haven't a clue what the real issues are.

[Rebelbase]

It's going to take another generation or two for the Chinese to completely forgive Japan, IMO.

There are still people alive who endured the rape, torture, murder and pillage of the Japanese occupation.

Then there are the children of those same people who have heard the horror stories first hand.

[Captain Rhino]

Read in your profile that you currently live in China (I'm guessing Shanghai from your keyword list) and have some fluency in Chinese, so you are in a position to provide some American reporting on the Chinese "street" on this issue.

My wife (Japanese) says that their philosophy is that words are cheap and that the sincerity of their apology should be gauged from the actions taken to compenstate the victims of their past behavior. I know that Germany has paid out billions in reparations to Israel and European nations for its actions in WWII. Do you know if Japan has done the same for China (and other asian nations)? If it has, is it wide knowledge in China?

Japan is up for Security Council membership in the United Nations. Is China hostile to this because it could thwart its desire to be the premier East Asian power (by creating an asian counterbalance to China)?

As you may be aware, significant increases in the Japanese defense budget have been proposed and there is rumbling to revise the post-war constitution so that Japan can again create offensive military equipment and formations. How is this being viewed in China?

[joesnuffy]

Some liars are also commies.

Despotism is the governing style of choice in Hell.

Satan was a liar from the first and the father of all lies
it should not be a wonder that the present world system
will be one in which lies and liars prevail..

Until Christ comes back and sets things right it will only get worse.

Evil will grow increasingly more powerful and because of that many will be drawn into it.

Nevertheless he who perseveres (in Christ) till the end will be saved.

imo

[speedy]

Just back yesterday from several weeks in Japan. Much to my surprise, I saw many references to Japan starting WW II, its cruel treatment of the Chinese, and in general taking the blame for its own atrocities. I think this is typical Commie drivel. For what it's worth, the Japanese strike me as extremely hospitable people and it's easy as a visitor to like them. And if you want to see a place where the trains really DO run on time, head to Tokyo.

[dawn53]

We stayed in China for about 8 weeks while my husband was on a business trip there.

The tension between the Japanese and the Chinese was palpable.

In our hotel, there was a special lounge area designated for expats and foreigners.

You could actually see the Chinese staff bristle when the Japanese businessmen walked in.

[Dr. Marten]

>Read in your profile that you currently live in China (I'm guessing Shanghai from your keyword list) and have some fluency >in Chinese, so you are in a position to provide some American reporting on the Chinese "street" on this issue.

 

I'm actually out in the South-west part of China.

>My wife (Japanese) says that their philosophy is that words are cheap and that the sincerity of their apology should be >gauged from the actions taken to compenstate the victims of their past behavior. I know that Germany has paid out billions >in reparations to Israel and European nations for its actions in WWII. Do you know if Japan has done the same for China >(and other asian nations)? If it has, is it wide knowledge in China?

 

To my knowledge, I do not believe that Japan has ever offered any financial compensation to the Chinese or the Koreans. In fact, I saw a photo a week or so ago of an elderly woman that was rumored to be one of the oldest surviving "comfort women" alive. She was hoping that the Japanese courts would rule in favor of financial compensation to those who had been forced to serve as comfort women, but the courts ruled against.

>Japan is up for Security Council membership in the United Nations. Is China hostile to this because it could thwart its >desire to be the premier East Asian power (by creating an asian counterbalance to China)?

 

Yes. Very much so! That is primarily what all the anti-Japanese demonstrations were about recently.

>As you may be aware, significant increases in the Japanese defense budget have been proposed and there is rumbling to >revise the post-war constitution so that Japan can again create offensive military equipment and formations. How is this >being viewed in China?

 

With strong disatisfaction because as you metioned above, it would create a strong counterbalance to China's long awaited hope to become the regional superpower.

 

The Horses Mouth

 

[FreedomPoster]

This whole thing is a ploy by the totalitarian leaders of China to get their people focused on something external at which to direct their unhappiness, so that it isn't directed at their leaders.

Someone call me when China's Communist leaders apologize for their predecessors' killing and abuse of the Chinese people. In some cases, it isn't even predecessors, as some of the current leaders have blood on their hands. And while what the Japanese did was certainly evil and cruel and nasty, the Chicom leaders were several times worse, on a pure numbers basis.

Again, this is purely a "distract the populace" maneuver by the Chicom leadership.

[Brian Allen]

<< It's going to take another generation or two for the Chinese to completely forgive Japan, IMO.

There are still people alive who endured the rape, torture, murder and pillage of the Japanese occupation.

Then there are the children of those same people who have heard the horror stories first hand. >>

Many of my family were killed during WW-II, mainly in SE-Asia or died after the war as the consequence of Japanese brutality.

Those of us who are still alive and who retain still-vivid memories of Japanese brutalities will never forget.

After all, for all that his lodge-Brother Douglas MacArthur, dressed him up after WW-II as a modest humble botanist, Hirohito was and is Human History's fourth-ever most prolific mass-murderer.

Why -- only a couple of Euro-peons and one other have ever raped, looted, pillaged and mass-murdered more!

The other, of course, being history's most-prolific-ever mass-murderer AND child rapist: Mao Tze Tung.

[Whose life's work continues in the hands of the self-annointed, self-appointed and self-perpetuating, psychpathologically-hesperophobic Peking-based pack of lying, looting, thieving, ding-bat-bureuacratic gangster bastards that so grandiosely calls itself "china" and as-grandiosely considers itself and its sychophants to be Mao's heirs]

Wonder when Peking's pigs will begin apologizing?

Anyone for holding his breath?

[Cronos]

Those are NOT official apologies. Secondly, Japan's recent textbooks seem to glorify what they did to the East Asians. It's as if the Germans started teaching their kids that they 'liberated' Europe

[Cronos]

This whole thing is a ploy by the totalitarian leaders of China to get their people focused on something external at which to direct their unhappiness, so that it isn't directed at their leaders.

Not completely. There is genuine hatred for what the Japanese did to China. It's like the uneasiness many Poles feel towards Germans -- even after the Germans have apologized over and over again. It would probably take a couple of more generations for the wounds to heal completely.

[Dr. Marten]

"Why are the many Chinese historians who are angrily challenging and criticizing the new Japanese history school books not also angrily challenging and openly criticizing the historical lies made up by the Chinese Communists? Worse yet, most of those Chinese historians who are criticizing the Japanese lies had been participants in the vast project of the ideological departments to create these historical lies.

Under these circumstances, you would have to suppose that the Chinese Communists will only lie to fool its own people, while they will respect the historical facts when they speak to the outside world about the Sino-Japanese War. But based upon its consistent record of lying, it is impossible to get anyone to believe that. How can anyone believe that a political regime which lies to its own nationals every day and its official historians will be honest with the outside world?"

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20050413_1.htm

[Accygirl]

Actually, unlike Germany, Japan has yet to come to turns with what they did during WWII. If I remember correctly, I think that the atrocities committed during that period are glossed over in Japanese history textbooks.

[FreedomPoster]

Oh, I don't doubt for a second that is there, just as it is for the Koreans, and the Filipinos. But these recent events involving China seem a designed ploy, to me.

[hershey]

China would like Japan to grovel.

[hershey]

Well, it's complicated, as John Kerry is wont to say on occasion. The big boys are jockeying for supremacy in the Pacific, and pride, 'saving face', means more than a simple bow or any number of apologies. Japan would have been smart to make complete amends a generation ago.

[hershey]

Hmm, those same Japanese textbooks whitewash December 7, 1941.

[snowsislander]

I know that Germany has paid out billions in reparations to Israel and European nations for its actions in WWII. Do you know if Japan has done the same for China (and other asian nations)? If it has, is it wide knowledge in China?

Japan has provided a lot of money in the form of ODA. And at least one Chinese leader has referred to it as reparation money.

Here is a table of projects approved from 2000 to 2004:

REGION	COUNTRY	PROJECT NAME	SECTOR	SUBSECTOR	PROJECT TYPE	DATE OF APPROVAL	AMOUNT OF APPROVAL (Millions; JPY)	MAIN PORTION (PORTION APPLIED TO REDUCED INTEREST RATE)				CONSULTING PORTION				EXECUTING AGENCY
								INTEREST RATE(%)	REPAYMENT PERIOD	GRACE PERIOD	TYING STATUS	INTEREST RATE(%)	REPAYMENT PERIOD	GRACE PERIOD	TYING STATUS
EAST ASIA	CHINA	YELLOW RIVER DELTA AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT	AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY AND FISHERIES	AGRICULTURE		2000-03-28	8904	2.20	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		SHANDONG PROVINCIAL
EAST ASIA	CHINA	HARBIN ELECTRIC NETWORK CONSTRUCTION PROJECT	ELECTRIC POWER AND GAS	TRANSMISSION LINES AND DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS		2000-03-28	6070	2.20	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		STATE POWER CORPORATION OF CHINA
EAST ASIA	CHINA	HUNAN URBAN FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT	IRRIGATION AND FLOOD CONTROL	IRRIGATION AND FLOOD CONTROL	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	24000	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		HUNAN PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	HUBEI URBAN FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT	IRRIGATION AND FLOOD CONTROL	IRRIGATION AND FLOOD CONTROL	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	13000	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		HUBEI PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	JIANGXI URBAN FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT	IRRIGATION AND FLOOD CONTROL	IRRIGATION AND FLOOD CONTROL	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	11000	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		JIANGXI PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	BENXI ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT (III)	SOCIAL SERVICES	ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION IN MULTISECTOR	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	1160	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		BENXI MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	GUIYANG ENVIRONMENT MODEL CITY PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION IN MULTISECTOR	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	6266	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		GUIZHOU PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	DALIAN ENVIRONMENT MODEL CITY PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION IN MULTISECTOR	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	5315	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		DALIAN MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	CHONGQING ENVIRONMENT MODEL CITY PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION IN MULTISECTOR	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	4412	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		CHONGQING MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	SUZHOU WATER ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION IN MULTISECTOR	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	6261	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		SUZHOU PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	ZHEJIANG SEWAGE TREATMENT PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	11256	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		ZHEJIANG PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	GUANGXI WATER SUPPLY PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	3641	1.70	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		GUANGXI AUTONOMOUS REGION PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	KUNMING WATER SUPPLY PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	20903	1.70	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	KUNMING MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	CHENGDU WATER SUPPLY PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	7293	1.70	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		CHENGDU MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	CHONGQING WATER SUPPLY PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	6244	1.70	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		CHONGQING MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	JIANGXI WATER SUPPLY PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-03-28	4147	1.70	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		JIANGXI PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	LIANGPING-CHANGSHOU HIGHWAY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT	TRANSPORTATION	ROADS		2000-03-28	24000	2.20	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS
EAST ASIA	CHINA	HAINAN EAST EXPRESSWAY EXPANSION PROJECT	TRANSPORTATION	ROADS		2000-03-28	5274	2.20	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		HAINAN EXPRESSWAY CO., LTD.
EAST ASIA	CHINA	XINXIANG-ZHENGZHOU HIGHWAY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT	TRANSPORTATION	ROADS		2000-03-28	23491	2.20	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	HENAN PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT (COMMUNICATIONS DPT.)
EAST ASIA	CHINA	XI'AN XIANYANG INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT TERMINAL EXPANSION PROJECT	TRANSPORTATION	AIRPORTS	SPECIAL YEN (ODA) LOAN	2000-10-23	3091	0.95	40	10	TIED					CIVIL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION OF CHINA
EAST ASIA	CHINA	BEIJING URBAN RAILWAY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT	TRANSPORTATION	RAILWAYS	SPECIAL YEN (ODA) LOAN /ENVIRONMENTAL	2000-10-23	14111	0.95	40	10	TIED					BEIJING MASS TRANSIT RAILWAY CORPORATION
EAST ASIA	CHINA	SHAANXI LOESS PLATEAU AFFORESTATION PROJECT	AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY AND FISHERIES	FORESTRY	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	4200	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		SHAANXI PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	SHANXI LOESS PLATEAU AFFORESTATION PROJECT	AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY AND FISHERIES	FORESTRY	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	4200	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		SHANXI PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	INNER-MONGOLIA LOESS PLATEAU AFFORESTATION PROJECT	AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY AND FISHERIES	FORESTRY	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	3600	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		INNER-MONGOLIA AUTONOMOUS REGION PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	ZIPINGPU MULTI-PURPOSE DAM CONSTRUCTION PROJECT	ELECTRIC POWER AND GAS	MULTIPURPOSE DAMS	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	32199	1.30(1.8	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	SICHUAN PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	SHANDONG TAI'AN PUMPED STORAGE POWER STATION PROJECT	ELECTRIC POWER AND GAS	POWER PLANTS	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	18000	0.75	40	10	GENERAL UNTIED	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	STATE POWER CORPORATION OF CHINA
EAST ASIA	CHINA	HUBEI SMALL-SIZED HYDROPOWER PROJECT	ELECTRIC POWER AND GAS	POWER PLANTS	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	9152	0.75	40	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		HUBEI PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	GANSU SMALL-SIZED HYDROPOWER PROJECT	ELECTRIC POWER AND GAS	POWER PLANTS	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	6543	0.75	40	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		GANSU PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	GANSU WATER-SAVING IRRIGATION PROJECT	IRRIGATION AND FLOOD CONTROL	IRRIGATION AND FLOOD CONTROL	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	6000	1.30	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		GANSU PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	XINJIANG WATER-SAVING IRRIGATION PROJECT	IRRIGATION AND FLOOD CONTROL	IRRIGATION AND FLOOD CONTROL	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	14400	1.30	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		XINJIANG UYGUR AUTONOMOUS REGION PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	GUIYANG ENVIRONMENT MODEL CITY PROJECT(II)	SOCIAL SERVICES	ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION IN MULTISECTOR	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	8169	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	GUIZHOU PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	DALIAN ENVIRONMENT MODEL CITY PROJECT(II)	SOCIAL SERVICES	ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION IN MULTISECTOR	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	3202	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		DALIAN MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	CHONGQING ENVIRONMENT MODEL CITY PROJECT(II)	SOCIAL SERVICES	ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION IN MULTISECTOR	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	3289	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	CHONGQING MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	SHENYANG ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT(II)	SOCIAL SERVICES	ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION IN MULTISECTOR	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	6196	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		SHENYANG MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	TIANJIN WASTEWATER TREATMENT PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	7142	0.75(1.3	40(30)	10(10)	BILATERAL TIED(GENERAL UNTIED)	-	-	-		TIANJIN MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	DALIAN WATER SUPPLY AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	3309	0.75(1.3	40(30)	10(10)	BILATERAL TIED(GENERAL UNTIED)	-	-	-		DALIAN MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	CHANGSHA WATER SUPPLY PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	4850	1.30	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		CHANGSHA MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	YINGKOU WATER SUPPLY PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	2504	1.30	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		YINGKOU MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	TANGSHAN WATER SUPPLY PROJECT	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	2841	1.30	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		TANGSHAN MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	LIAONING TELEVISION & RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT	TELECOMMUNICATIONS	BROADCASTING		2001-03-30	3210	1.80	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		LIAONING BROADCASTING AND TELEVISION BUREAU
EAST ASIA	CHINA	CHONGQING URBAN RAILWAY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT	TRANSPORTATION	RAILWAYS	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	27108	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	CHONGQING MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	WUHAN URBAN RAILWAY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT	TRANSPORTATION	RAILWAYS	ENVIRONMENTAL	2001-03-30	2894	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	-	-	-		WUHAN MUNICIPAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	SHUOXIAN-HUANGHUA RAILWAY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT(‡W)	TRANSPORTATION	RAILWAYS		2001-03-30	11581	1.80	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	-	-	-		SHENHUA GROUP CORPORATION
EAST ASIA	CHINA	HEILONGJIANG HEIHE-BEI'AN ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT	TRANSPORTATION	ROADS		2001-03-30	12608	1.80	30	10	GENERAL UNTIED	0.75	40	10	BILATERAL TIED	HEILONGJIANG PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Ningxia Afforestation and Vegetation Cover Project	AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY AND FISHERIES	FORESTRY	ENVIRONMENTAL	2002-03-29	7977	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	-	-	-	-	Ningxia Hui Autonomous Regional Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Beijing Environmental Improvement Project	ELECTRIC POWER AND GAS	GAS	ENVIRONMENTAL	2002-03-29	8963	0.75	40	10	General Untied	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	Beijing Municipal Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Shanxi Xilongchi Pumped Storage Power Station Project	ELECTRIC POWER AND GAS	POWER PLANTS	ENVIRONMENTAL	2002-03-29	23241	0.75	40	10	General Untied	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	State Power Corporation of China
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Shaanxi Higher Education Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2002-03-29	6021	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	-	-	-	-	Shaanxi Provincial Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Gansu Higher Education Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2002-03-29	4665	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	-	-	-	-	Gansu Provincial Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Sichuan Higher Education Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2002-03-29	6131	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	-	-	-	-	Sichuan Provincial Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Chongqing Higher Education Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2002-03-29	4683	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	-	-	-	-	Chongqing Municipal Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Yunnan Higher Education Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2002-03-29	4540	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	-	-	-	-	Yunnan Provincial Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Hunan Higher Education Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2002-03-29	4682	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	-	-	-	-	Hunan Provincial Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Anshan Environmental Improvement Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION IN MULTISECTOR	ENVIRONMENTAL	2002-03-29	14525	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	-	-	-	-	Anshan Municipal Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Taiyuan Environmental Improvement Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION IN MULTISECTOR	ENVIRONMENTAL	2002-03-29	14144	0.75	40	10	General Untied	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	Shanxi Provincial Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Xifan Environmental Improvement Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2002-03-29	9764	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	-	-	-	-	Xifan Municipal Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Chongqing Environmental Improvement Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2002-03-29	9017	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	Chongqing Municipal Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Gansu Province Road Construction Project	TRANSPORTATION	ROADS		2002-03-29	20013	2.2	30	10	General Untied	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	Gansu Provincial Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Hunan Province Road Construction Project	TRANSPORTATION	ROADS		2002-03-29	23000	2.2	30	10	General Untied	0.75	40	10	Bilateral Tied	Hunan Provincial Peoplefs Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Gansu Afforestation and Vegetation Cover Project	AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY AND FISHERIES	FORESTRY	ENVIRONMENTAL	2003-03-31	12400	0.75	40	10	General Untied					Gansu Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Inner Mongolia Afforestation and Vegetation Cover Project	AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY AND FISHERIES	FORESTRY	ENVIRONMENTAL	2003-03-31	15000	0.75	40	10	General Untied					Inner Mongolia Autonomous Regional People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Henan Environmental Improvement Project	ELECTRIC POWER AND GAS	GAS	ENVIRONMENTAL	2003-03-31	19295	0.75	40	10	General Untied					The People's Government of Henan Province
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Anhui Environmental Improvement Project	ELECTRIC POWER AND GAS	GAS	ENVIRONMENTAL	2003-03-31	18558	0.75	40	10	General Untied					The People's Government of Anhui Province
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Inland Higher Education Project(Regional Vitalization,Market Economy Reform Support,and Environmental Conservation) Xijiang Uygur AutonomousRegion	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2003-03-31	4598	0.75/2.2	40/30	10/10	General Untied					Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Regional People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Inland Higher Education Project(Regional Vitalization,Market Economy Reform Support,and Environmental Conservation) Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2003-03-31	4606	0.75/2.2	40/30	10/10	General Untied					Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Regional People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Inland Higher Education Project(Regional Vitalization,Market Economy Reform Support,and Environmental Conservation)Guizhou Province	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2003-03-31	4593	0.75/2.2	40/30	10/10	General Untied					Guizhou Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Inland Higher Education Project(Regional Vitalization,Market Economy Reform Support,and Environmental Conservation)Anhui Province	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2003-03-31	4478	0.75/2.2	40/30	10/10	General Untied					Anhui Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Inland Higher Education Project(Regional Vitalization, Market Economy Reform Support,and Environmental Conservation)Henan Province	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2003-03-31	4699	0.75/2.2	40/30	10/10	General Untied					Henan Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Inland Higher Education Project(Regional Vitalization,Market Economy Reform Support,and Environmental Conservation)Jilin Province	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2003-03-31	4530	0.75/2.2	40/30	10/10	Genral Untied					JilinProvincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Hunan Environmental and Living Conditions Improvement Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	URBAN/RURAL COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE	ENVIRONMENTAL	2003-03-31	7882	0.75/2.2	40/30	10/10	General Untied					Hunan Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Yichang Environmental Improvement Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2003-03-31	8460	2.2/0.75	30/40	10/10	General Untied					Yichang Municipal People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Nanning Environmental Improvement Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2003-03-31	12115	0.75	40	10	General Untied					Guanxi Zhuang Autonomous Regional People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Afforestation Project(Jiangxi Province)	AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY AND FISHERIES	FORESTRY	ENVIRONMENTAL	2004-03-31	7507	0.75	40	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Jiangxi Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Afforestation Project(Hubei Province)	AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY AND FISHERIES	FORESTRY	ENVIRONMENTAL	2004-03-31	7536	0.75	40	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Hubei Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Inland Higher Education Project(Regional Vitalization,Market Economy Reform Support,and Environmental Consevation)(Qinghai Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2004-03-31	2812	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Qinghai Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Inland Higher Education Project(Regional Vitalization,Market Economy Reform Support,and Environmental Consevation)(Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region)	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2004-03-31	2636	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Ningxia Hui Autonomous Regional People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Inland Higher Education Project(Regional Vitalization,Market Economy Reform Support,and Environmental Consevation)(Heilongjiang Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2004-03-31	4972	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Heilongjiang Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Inland Higher Education Project(Regional Vitalization,Market Economy Reform Support,and Environmental Consevation)(Jiangxi Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2004-03-31	4872	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Jiangxi Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Inland Higher Education Project(Regional Vitalization,Market Economy Reform Support,and Environmental Consevation)(Hubei Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2004-03-31	5097	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Hubei Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Inland Higher Education Project(Regional Vitalization,Market Economy Reform Support,and Environmental Consevation)(Shanxi Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	EDUCATION		2004-03-31	5093	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Shanxi Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Public Health Project(Henan Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	PUBLIC HEALTH AND MEDICINE		2004-03-31	5016	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Henan Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Public Health Project(Hubei Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	PUBLIC HEALTH AND MEDICINE		2004-03-31	2325	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Hubei Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Public Health Project(Hunan Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	PUBLIC HEALTH AND MEDICINE		2004-03-31	2855	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Hunan Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Public Health Project(Jiangxi Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	PUBLIC HEALTH AND MEDICINE		2004-03-31	2821	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Jiangxi Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Public Health Project(Anhui Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	PUBLIC HEALTH AND MEDICINE		2004-03-31	2548	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Anhui Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Public Health Project(Shanxi Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	PUBLIC HEALTH AND MEDICINE		2004-03-31	2442	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Shanxi Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Public Health Project(Jilin Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	PUBLIC HEALTH AND MEDICINE		2004-03-31	1649	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Jilin Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Public Health Project(Heilongjiang Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	PUBLIC HEALTH AND MEDICINE		2004-03-31	2288	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Heilongjiang Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Public Health Project(Hebei Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	PUBLIC HEALTH AND MEDICINE		2004-03-31	1908	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Hebei Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Public Health Project(Liaoning Province)	SOCIAL SERVICES	PUBLIC HEALTH AND MEDICINE		2004-03-31	2366	1.5	30	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Liaoning Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Huhhot Environmental Improvement Project	SOCIAL SERVICES	WATER SUPPLY, SEWERAGE AND SANITATION	ENVIRONMENTAL	2004-03-31	9747	0.75	40	10	General Untied	-	-	-	-	Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Broadcasting Infrastructure Improvement Project(Qinghai Province)	TELECOMMUNICATIONS	BROADCASTING		2004-03-31	2354	0.75	40	12	Tied	0.75	40	12	Tied	Qinghai Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Broadcasting Infrastructure Improvement Project(Yunnan Province)	TELECOMMUNICATIONS	BROADCASTING		2004-03-31	3008	0.75	40	12	Tied	0.75	40	12	Tied	Yunnan Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Broadcasting Infrastructure Improvement Project(Anhui Province)	TELECOMMUNICATIONS	BROADCASTING		2004-03-31	3301	0.75	40	12	Tied	0.75	40	12	Tied	Anhui Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Broadcasting Infrastructure Improvement Project(Jilin Province)	TELECOMMUNICATIONS	BROADCASTING		2004-03-31	4375	0.75	40	12	Tied	0.75	40	12	Tied	Jilin Provincial People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Broadcasting Infrastructure Improvement Project(Ningxia Autonomous Region)	TELECOMMUNICATIONS	BROADCASTING		2004-03-31	4250	0.75	40	12	Tied	0.75	40	12	Tied	Ningxia Hui Autonomous Regional People's Government
EAST ASIA	CHINA	Broadcasting Infrastructure Improvement Project(Jinan City,Shandong Province)	TELECOMMUNICATIONS	BROADCASTING		2004-03-31	2914	0.75	40	12	Tied	0.75	40	12	Tied	Jinan Municipal People's Government
TOTAL OF THE AMOUNTS OF APPROVAL (YEN MILLIONS)							786308

However, Japan is now talking about cutting off this aid; I myself would find it hard to continue to provide this in light of China's current behavior.

[Cronos]

But these recent events involving China seem a designed ploy, to me.

I agree, cynically exploitiing a people's sense of injustice

[FierceKulak]

Still, the textbooks that gloss over the massacre of nanking and other atrocities are sore point, and rightfuully so.
I agree with your assessment of why China is stirring up anti-Japanese sentiment though.

[Androcles]

Very true. Can't blame'em either when you recall the Rape of Nanking, the Japanese biowar division and so forth.

The Japanese apologies would carry more weight if their textbooks weren't bowdlerised.

[bowzer313]

The Chinese have been raping, pillaging, killing and subjugating their Asian neighbors in a progressively more vicious and far-ranging manner for over five thousand years. The Japanese had to defend themselves against Chinese agression time and again in the past. The relatively short period of Japanese Imperialism between 1931-1945, during which the Japanese finally reached a invaded the lands of their former oppressors, was merely payback for the thousands of years of Chinese atrocities against the Japanese, from the Hans to the Khans to the Manchus.

I'd like to read THAT in a Chinese history book.

[pganini]

"The Chinese have been raping, pillaging, killing and subjugating their Asian neighbors in a progressively more vicious and far-ranging manner for over five thousand years. The Japanese had to defend themselves against Chinese agression time and again in the past. The relatively short period of Japanese Imperialism between 1931-1945, during which the Japanese finally reached a invaded the lands of their former oppressors, was merely payback for the thousands of years of Chinese atrocities against the Japanese, from the Hans to the Khans to the Manchus.

I'd like to read THAT in a Chinese history book."

Actually, if you look at Chinese history, the only time China was the aggressor was when a minority like the Mongolians (Khans) or Manchurians was in charge. Han Chinese are a bit different. And yeah, all of those history are covered in Chinese textbooks. Where they differ between for example Taiwan and China's textbook is what happened in the Communist/Nationalist civil war and after 1949, but earlier histories are the same.

http://www.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/NanjingMassacre/NMFOTO.html

I don't think you'll find anywhere in recent history (last 200 years) where anyone is as brutal as the Japanese against China in WWII. Look -- Americans, Germans, Brits, French all have invaded China in one point or another, but you don't see Chinese harboring hatred towards them than against Japan. Why? Because they didn't commit these type of atrocities. Also, unlike the progandist on this website, you can't compare what Mao did which was HIS ECONOMIC policies that ended up starving million of chinese (and those are covered in Text books by the way, so are Cultural Revolution). My Wife is from mainland China and she knew all about Mao and his stuff.

[Steve Van Doorn]

”if you look at Chinese history, the only time China was the aggressor was when a minority like the Mongolians (Khans) or Manchurians was in charge.”

And the attack against the American troops in Korea was what?
How about the military take over of India’s land in the 50’s?
How about the threat against Briton when they threatened to cut off the water supply to Hong Kong if they didn’t give back Hong Kong?
Or the military take over of the islands a couple years ago owned by Taiwan?

It seems you want to ignore history that you say you know so well, and we know so little?

[pganini]

"And the attack against the American troops in Korea was what?"

They know about this part, though obviously they're claiming it was for self defense and to help a neighbor.


"How about the military take over of India’s land in the 50’s?"

1962 war is definitely covered.

"How about the threat against Briton when they threatened to cut off the water supply to Hong Kong if they didn’t give back Hong Kong?
Or the military take over of the islands a couple years ago owned by Taiwan?


It seems you want to ignore history that you say you know so well, and we know so little?"


Did China take over India when it had the chance to? No. At the time, the entire Indian army was destroyed, but China didn't advance further did it? The Indian war was started partly because India decided to create settlements on disputed zones (and we all know that will then become permanent lines) Did China control North Korea after they fought in the Korean war? You can argue they do control them, but they don't.

US should not be lecturing other countries on how many invasion and attacks the US has done in its history. Did US let the South become Independent after it declared independence? No, it invaded the southern states. US also invaded a ton of other countries, the last one was Iraq. Killing 100,000+ Iraqi civilians for imaginary WMD's.

[pganini]

"”if you look at Chinese history, the only time China was the aggressor was when a minority like the Mongolians (Khans) or Manchurians was in charge.”

And the attack against the American troops in Korea was what?
How about the military take over of India’s land in the 50’s?
How about the threat against Briton when they threatened to cut off the water supply to Hong Kong if they didn’t give back Hong Kong?
Or the military take over of the islands a couple years ago owned by Taiwan?


It seems you want to ignore history that you say you know so well, and we know so little?"

BTW, i'd also argue that because of Western powers and its invasion of China, including Japan's invasion of China, China has learned to be tough first. Recent history notwithstanding, show me one period where it is actively attacking other countries when it is in controlled by the Han Chinese? Eh? there are 4000 years to look at, find one.

Tibet? Invaded by Manchurians and controlled by Manchurians since the 1600's, same goes with Xinjiang province.

You can argue why China doesn't give Tibetan back to the Tibetans, then i'd counter why doesn't the US give Texas back to the Mexicans.

[Steve Van Doorn]

I can understand ‘helping a neighbor’ but is that self-defence or is that defence of a neighbor? ”Did China take over India when it had the chance to? No. At the time, the entire Indian army was destroyed, but China didn't advance further did it?”

“entire Indian army was destroyed?” This was a surprise attack which India never had a chance to counter attack they chose not to. I agree it was a large battle but by no means was the ‘entire’ Indian army destroyed. If that was what is in the history books they got it wrong.

pganini said:
”the last one was Iraq. Killing 100,000+ Iraqi civilians for imaginary WMD's.”

Back up your facts or are you just trolling?

[chilepepper]

i think it would only be fair for japan to apologize.

they can apologize as soon as China pulls out of Tibet and apologizes for the slaughter the PRC pulled against Tibetans...

[Steve Van Doorn]

I don’t understand the relevance? The communist Chinese today have nothing to do with and have no connections other then race of the Han Chinese. The Communist Chinese government started in the 40’s and eliminated the government prior. I don't understand what you are trying to get at?

[pganini]

"I don’t understand the relevance? The communist Chinese today have nothing to do with and have no connections other then race of the Han Chinese. The Communist Chinese government started in the 40’s and eliminated the government prior. I don't understand what you are trying to get at? "

I asked you, show me once in history about the Han Chinese that has done what the Japanese has done to China in WWII. Just once. You're claiming that China has done all this stuff as if it it justifies Japanese invasion.

here are some pictures: (extremely gruesome)
http://www.cnd.org/njmassacre/page1.html

Got anything even close to this about how the Han Chinese has done to other minorities??? Eh? Even during the Manchurian conquest of Tibet, they didn't do this type of action. Did Han Chinese under Mao do this to the Tibetans (raped women from age 3 to 83)? Mind you, these acts are commited by COMMON JAP SOLDIERS. The Germans at least can blame the SS for it, there simply no excuse for Japanese on this fact.

None of these are taught in their history books. Their history books on WWII started off by saying how badly they were treated by the americans, and from lack of oil, they attacked Pearl Harbor. They didn't say prior to that, they invaded China's northeast and started human experimentations.

[dfwgator]

If anything, the Japanese should apologize to Taiwan, not the PRC. Funny, you don't see the Taiwanese rioting.

[The Incredible One]

Japan contributes a lot to China in the form of ODA, soft loans etc. In fact it contributed about 40 billion yuan from 1980 to 2003. In fact Japan is counting on its "aid giving" record to get a membership at the UN. It is one of the largest donors to the UN.

The Chicoms are just whipping up passions to stop the Japanese from getting a seat in the UN Security council. They conveniently overlook the persecution of the Tibetans and their wild jingoism over Taiwan.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/print/news/nn01-2005/nn20050111f3.htm

[kabar]

This whole thing is a ploy by the totalitarian leaders of China to get their people focused on something external at which to direct their unhappiness, so that it isn't directed at their leaders.

No, it has to do with a permanent seat for Japan in the UN Security Council. The Communist Chinese will do everything they can to prevent it, including dredging up WWII.

China's seat in the United Nations has been occupied by the People's Republic of China since November 23, 1971. It was previously held by the Republic of China (Taiwan), which occupied the seat at the creation of the UN in 1945.

[kabar]

The Japanese apologies would carry more weight if their textbooks weren't bowdlerised.

That's what we need is more self-flagellation even if it is 60 to 70 years later. It reminds me of the push domestically for the President to apologize to blacks for slavery, segregation, and discrimination along with paying reparations. How long do the Germans and Japanese have to continue to apologize? In 20 years there will be very few alive who were adults during WWII.

[Steve Van Doorn]

”You're claiming that China has done all this stuff as if it justifies Japanese invasion.”

excuse me? I never claimed or implied any such thing! Now you are flat out lying. World War II is over the Japanese LOST and no longer has the predatoral government that they once had.

BTW- China also militarily took Quemoy and Matsu islands. The point here is China is the predatoral government today.

[Steve Van Doorn]

”If anything, the Japanese should apologize to Taiwan, not the PRC.”

That is a very good point! The Communist Chinese never fought the Japanese! Why are they upset? If anything the Communist Chinese helped the Japanese take China! That must be it.. NOW they feel guilty.

[pganini]

"excuse me? I never claimed or implied any such thing! Now you are flat out lying. World War II is over the Japanese LOST and no longer has the predatoral government that they once had.


BTW- China also militarily took Quemoy and Matsu islands. The point here is China is the predatoral government today."

Japan is just waiting for US to get weaker, then they'll start dominating Asia again.

Quemoy and Matsu are still part of Taiwan. :) You must be confused.

[pganini]

"That is a very good point! The Communist Chinese never fought the Japanese! Why are they upset? If anything the Communist Chinese helped the Japanese take China! That must be it.. NOW they feel guilty."

Uh, ok. Now that's whitewashing of history from the US textbooks.

You're forgetting one thing -- a government can only last if it has the support of the population, no matter if it's communists or democratic. It's popular anger amongst the majority of Chinese that caused the recent protests.

Funny how when a democratic movement, a protest, is lodged against an American ally, Americans are all calling it's government controlled. I don't see the media calling 1989 protests as government controlled, even though many, many of the student leaders that escaped to the West are sons and daughters of the highest Communist officials (and thus, they do have ulterior motives). The only exception was the one that got jailed, Wan Dan. Wuer Kaixi, etc. are all sons and daughters of highest Communist officials. Perhaps they're making troulbe for the conservatives (Li Peng) to grab power.

As I said before, if you ever been to China or Korea, you'll know the public anger towards the Japanese. In the US, Japanese atrocities in Asia is glanced over probably like Japanese textbooks, instead, it concentrated on Nazi occupation and Holocaust. I hate to be rude, but what the Jews suffered paled in comparison to the Japanese occupation of Korea and China.

[Steve Van Doorn]

"Quemoy and Matsu are still part of Taiwan."

thanks to the US defense, other wise China's aggression would of taken them.

[free_european]

"it was for self defense and to help a neighbor. "

I guess the invasion of Vietnam in 1978 by China was lending a hand too in your book? And how about the attacks on the Soviet Far East in the 1960s and 1970s? More help? They certainly are a helpful bunch!

[Steve Van Doorn]

”It's popular anger amongst the majority of Chinese that caused the recent protests.”

I have a really nice bridge here I can sell you cheap.

The Korean’s did fight the Japanese but the Communist Chinese NEVER DID and they even HELPED the Japanese win. The Communist government today have nothing to be upset about, except for helping what should of been their enemy.

The people that fought the japanese went to Taiwan

[pganini]

" have a really nice bridge here I can sell you cheap.
The Korean’s did fight the Japanese but the Communist Chinese NEVER DID and they even HELPED the Japanese win. The Communist government today have nothing to be upset about, except for helping what should of been their enemy.


The people that fought the japanese went to Taiwan"

You're hopelessly clueless. Did the Chinese people not suffer under Japan? Didn't you see the photos i posted above? The anger they have toward the Japs are not something that Communists or Nationalists can spruce up. It's just there.

It's propaganda to sasy that Communist China helped Japan win. That's just plain ignorance. What happened was NEITHER SIDE was willing to fight the Japanese hard because they keep bickering against each other. Chiang didn't fight hard and Mao didn't fight hard, because they know once the Japanese is defeated their real enemy is each other.

But to say that the recent protests are started by the government is ludicrous. I have already asked you if you have ever visited China and you ahve not responded. I take it htat you have not and have NO CLUE about how people feel over there. Ask Dr. Marten on this site about how the Chinese feel about the Japanese.

[pganini]

""Quemoy and Matsu are still part of Taiwan."

thanks to the US defense, other wise China's aggression would of taken them"

That's a load of crap. Taiwan defend it by itself, the US was never involved in the defense of Matsu/Quemoy. Read your history books.

[Androcles]

I actually do agree with you overall, but it has to be said that the Japanese apologies were much less impressive than the Germans whereas the Germans were better at sounding sincere. The way Japan tied to ignore the 'comfort women' of Korea, and their activities in China especially were the most noticeable examples.

I for one support Japan's victims in wanting to see a flat statement in a major Japanese textbook describing the Genuine activities of the IJA in the relevant periods.

I wouldn't support them in demands for compensation from Japan except those who can prove they actually survived or suffered directly from said actions. That's no different from the belief that restitution is fine where its specific and in response to provable harm (ie Jewish families seeking restitution of seized property from Germany, etc).

[kabar]

I agree that compensation should be paid to actual victims (or their immediate survivors) who suffered directly from the perpetrator.

I think this emphasis on making apologies trivializes what actually occurred. No apology, however sincere, can excuse or compensate for a Holocaust or a Pearl Harbor. Nor can a nation and its people be condemned forever. It is counterproductive and invites just the reaction you don't want.

History is usually written by the winners. I can understand why Japanese textbooks will not be as critical of their actions as those who suffered at their hands. They have a different perspective and frankly, don't want their children and future generations to despise their ancestors and their heritage. We are no different. It pains me to hear some today characterize our Founding Fathers as racists and bigots and try to diminish their accomplishments for this reason.

As the events of WWII fade in the rear view mirror, it should be easier for future historians to write a more objective and balanced account of what happened.

[Steve Van Doorn]

China almost started WWIII(China and USSR against the US) over the two islands (Quemoy and Matsu) and Eisenhower was complying We lost two American soldiers during the shelling of Quemoy.

The USSR was backing China with the use of nukes against the US if the US took action against China in defence of the islands.

[Steve Van Doorn]

Chiang Kai-shek had the red Chinese beaten back by 1937 but Mao took advantage of the Japanese attack against China. Moe never attacked the Japanese untell the end of the war. Thus Chiang Kai-shek had to fight both the Japanese and the Communist. If that isn’t helping the Japanese then I don’t know what it means by, helping to defeat an enemy.

[pganini]

"Chiang Kai-shek had the red Chinese beaten back by 1937 but Mao took advantage of the Japanese attack against China. Moe never attacked the Japanese untell the end of the war. Thus Chiang Kai-shek had to fight both the Japanese and the Communist. If that isn’t helping the Japanese then I don’t know what it means by, helping to defeat an enemy."

That'sa common propaganda spread by Chiang Kai Shek himself. The fact is, both side aren't willing to fight the Japanese because their real enemies are each other.

The truth is, after WWII he had much more troops than Mao. Why did he lose? He failed to negotiate on the Japan issue (ie. one that adequately addresses the people's demand and ended up letting McArthur took the soft road on Tokyo) and he was still letting foreign powers take over much of China (i.e. he did nothing to get rid of the foreign powers that are still in control in a lot of places in China). That is viewed by many Chinese as corrupt and weak. Mao, on the other hand, gained popular support and eventually won the civil war. Can't win the countrywithout popular support.

You can argue that why China became Communist WAS because Japanese invaded (another thing to thank Japan on), but you can't argue that Chiang Kai Shek lost China because he fought them harder. Chiang kai Shek had MUCH BETTER TROOPS after 1945 and more troops after 1945 than Mao and still lost to Mao because he did NOT have the support of the people.

[Republican Party Reptile]

well, Dr. - you're in SHA, from the email circulars and water cooler talk around the office, the local university students are going to hold a protest around the Japanese Consulate in Xuejiahui; supposedly originally it was supposed to be People's Square, but now moving to Xuejiahui.

Hmmm, I guess no shopping at Xuejiahui this weekend :)