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US navy vessel remains prized trophy for North Korea, 37 years on (USS Pueblo)
Yahoo.com ^ | Sun Apr 10,12:04 AM | AFP

Posted on 04/13/2005 7:33:14 PM PDT by Chi-townChief

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Why we never destroyed this thing is beyond me.
1 posted on 04/13/2005 7:33:17 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

This was not a golden moment in American history.


2 posted on 04/13/2005 7:35:14 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Chi-townChief

A Pueblo survivor spoke to my Kiwanis club last year. It was utterly fascinating.


3 posted on 04/13/2005 7:35:28 PM PDT by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: Chi-townChief

Hmmm...I wonder who was President in 1968? Was he a Democrat?


4 posted on 04/13/2005 7:38:50 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Chi-townChief
This is why we are perceived as weak. that was an act of war and the retaliation should of been dramatic!
5 posted on 04/13/2005 7:41:00 PM PDT by Fast1 (Destroy America buy Chinese goods,Shop at Wal-Mart 3/18/05 American was gone when I woke up)
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To: Chi-townChief

Still bobbing on the waves.
Why?


6 posted on 04/13/2005 7:44:10 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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To: Chi-townChief

Let them keep their trophy. It'll be a reminder to them if we decide to "do an Iraq" on them.


7 posted on 04/13/2005 7:44:20 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Chi-townChief

"although they later said they only did so because of pressure from the North Koreans."

What kind of journalism is this? They have clearly documented that they were tortured, beaten, etc., routinely.


8 posted on 04/13/2005 7:44:27 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Chi-townChief

The Norks towed it from the east coast to the west coast back in the 1990s. President Clinton's administration refused to intercept it while it was off the South Korean coast. It continues to be the Nork's premier propaganda piece.


9 posted on 04/13/2005 7:45:22 PM PDT by DnPRK
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To: Chi-townChief
Prisoner of War ....for 37 years.

Then:

Now:


10 posted on 04/13/2005 7:46:27 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: I got the rope

Yes, you'd almost think Lyndon Baines Johnson wasn't even president during the 60s.


11 posted on 04/13/2005 7:46:55 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: MisterRepublican

I was born in a hospital named after that liberal...

(I'm not going to finish the sentence.)


12 posted on 04/13/2005 7:49:51 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: WoofDog123
They have clearly documented that they were tortured, beaten, etc., routinely.

And to add insult to injury, when they finally made it home, some of the higher-ups tried to get the CO court-martialed.

13 posted on 04/13/2005 7:52:06 PM PDT by jpl
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To: Chi-townChief

The Pueblo was based here in San Diego.
In the early 90s I got to shake hands with
its skipper Lloyd Bucher.
I remember when the crew returned here and
were all taken up the street from me to the
Navy Hosp.


14 posted on 04/13/2005 7:56:30 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Hey Chirac, Call Germany Next Time. They Know The Way To Paris)
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To: I got the rope
President Johnson looked a bit like Jacques Chirac.


15 posted on 04/13/2005 8:00:30 PM PDT by jdm (You only live once, and usually not even then.)
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To: Chi-townChief
I recall the incident well. I was serving a tour of duty at FMF Pacific at Camp Smith, Hawaii. As was the custom, the Marine Corps Band played a serenade prior to "colors." It started with a lively rendition of "Don't Give Up the Ship." The Marine Color Guard started to raise the flag as the National Anthem was played, only to find the lanyards were reversed and the flag started to go up "upside down." These things occurred before the Pueblo incident was know, about an hour later. There were some other reactions, but while the whole event caused alarm, there was some directed humor too.
16 posted on 04/13/2005 8:01:34 PM PDT by Joee
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To: I got the rope
Hmmm...I wonder who was President in 1968? Was he a Democrat?

Maybe he was the same guy who let the chinesse steal one of our planes. OOPS, wrong...that was Bush who let that happen

17 posted on 04/13/2005 8:06:23 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: Chi-townChief

I still think the Pueblo should have been scuttled. Absent that, we should have (and should today) taken the Pueblo out.


18 posted on 04/13/2005 8:07:14 PM PDT by stylin19a (Always remember - don't ever forget - "2 wrongs don't make a right, it's 3 lefts that make a right.")
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To: Chi-townChief
how about sending a remote control mini-sub in after it.
park it next to the hull underwater and Blammo!
We don't know a thing about it......
19 posted on 04/13/2005 8:08:49 PM PDT by injin
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To: stylin19a
You may well get your wish after all.

If push comes to shove with Pyongyang over their nukes, and they try anything provocative.

20 posted on 04/13/2005 8:09:48 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: Chi-townChief

I remember a picture NK released of the crew. Many of the crew were flipping the bird to the camera. The local (family) newspaper titled the picture..."American servicemen showing the traditional American sign of defiance".


21 posted on 04/13/2005 8:19:17 PM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (/i)
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To: rmmcdaniell

You may choose to look up the word "steal", apparently you have no grasp of it's meaning.


22 posted on 04/13/2005 8:20:32 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty season!)
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To: DnPRK
The Norks towed it from the east coast to the west coast back in the 1990s. President Clinton's administration refused to intercept it while it was off the South Korean coast. It continues to be the Nork's premier propaganda piece.

First I'd heard that, it's sort of surprising I missed the move. But I did look it up and you are of course correct.

How humiliating, but then just having the SinkMeister as President was pretty humiliating in itself.

What we should have done was take it back with a SEAL team, with frigates or destroyers in support, plus overhead USAF assets from South Korean or Japan, assuming we didn't have a carrier nearby at the time.

23 posted on 04/13/2005 8:22:11 PM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: rmmcdaniell
Maybe he was the same guy who let the chinesse steal one of our planes. OOPS, wrong...that was Bush who let that happen

We got the crew of the P-3 back much quicker, the ChiComs didn't dare tortue them, and we also got the aircraft back. If it had been flyable, we'd have gotten it back even quicker.

Neither LBJ nor "W", LET the communists take our craft and crews, but what they did about it was much different.

24 posted on 04/13/2005 8:25:09 PM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: injin
how about sending a remote control mini-sub in after it. park it next to the hull underwater and Blammo! We don't know a thing about it......

Why bother with a sub, just send in a B-2 with JDAM's. Boom no more ship. But if we are going bomb North Korea, lets go after their Glorious Leader, and leave *our* ship alone. A bomb or two on the dock and any on shore "Museum" facilities wouldn't hurt.

25 posted on 04/13/2005 8:29:55 PM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: Calpernia

note the photos


26 posted on 04/13/2005 8:39:25 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (Airspeed, altitude, or brains. Two are required to successfully complete a flight.)
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To: Cicero

My dad was the Security Officer at Yokosuka in Japan at the time (The Pueblo's home port while deployed) and my dad knew Cdr. Bucher well and had socialized with him. I was 11 at the time, and when this happened, my dad was absent for several weeks. I never made the connection, because he always had worked unusual hours, but my mom recently told me that during that time, he was living in the Comm shack on the base.

Cdr. Bucher was a decent man who was deserted by his country. He did the best he could with what he had. He was no rising star by any means, but not everyone can have a Carrier or Attack sub. He passed away recently, may he rest in peace.


27 posted on 04/13/2005 8:42:22 PM PDT by rlmorel
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To: nw_arizona_granny
Oh my!

I've got to get a thread up with a lot of the pictures we are noticing with WHO looks like WHO.

That has got to be related to the Genome Project.

Right now, I'm stuck with a Red Rose mystery that I can't let go of.

28 posted on 04/13/2005 8:42:56 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Chi-townChief
The crew members were filmed signing a letter of apology and confessing, although they later said they only did so because of pressure from the North Koreans.

This story fails to mention the crew posing for a photo, flipping the camera an American Good Luck signal. They got some extra beatings for that.

http://www.temple.edu/history/images/pueblocrew.gif

Sorry for not posting the pic (HTML deficient)

29 posted on 04/13/2005 9:24:54 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: DnPRK
Re: "The Norks towed it from the east coast to the west coast back in the 1990s. President Clinton's administration refused to intercept it while it was off the South Korean coast. It continues to be the Nork's premier propaganda piece."

President Clinton's administration refused to intercept it while it was off the South Korean coast.

Any source on this?

30 posted on 04/13/2005 9:29:53 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: Cicero

Say what you want about the USAF but General McKee from Okinawa sent armed fighter jets toward the Pueblo under his direction and in defiance of the Navy and the White House with orders to blow all of the North Koreans out of the water that were near the Pueblo if they got there before the North Koreans got the Pueblo into the Harbor. General McKee, USAF, was not the closest (the Navy had a Carrier within minutes of the Pueblo) but was the only member of a high command with balls. He was later reprimanded for his actions.


31 posted on 04/13/2005 9:34:57 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Chi-townChief

A laser guided bomb is very precise. I understand you can sink a small ship with one, and if it's tied up in port it's very easy.


32 posted on 04/13/2005 9:39:46 PM PDT by Casloy
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>>>Why we never destroyed this thing is beyond me. <<<

It could still be done, and would be.....if we had cajones.

I think if we did it, Kimmey boy would pee his pants and go into hiding with his porno films. It could be the start of freedom for the poor poor souls of the North.

33 posted on 04/13/2005 9:56:14 PM PDT by HardStarboard (With Lebanon simmering, Iran on medium-high, whose next? I vote Syria....lets turn up the heat!)
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I'm imagining the day we casually tow it back to the States. That is, after the fall of one of the most wicked governments in existence. We will, one day, give her a decent burial. It will be on our terms. I think it deserves the same promise made by MacCarther to the Philipines. We too, will one day return.


34 posted on 04/13/2005 9:58:15 PM PDT by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: Chi-townChief

I'm imagining the day we casually tow it back to the States. That is, after the fall of one of the most wicked governments in existence. We will, one day, give her a decent burial. It will be on our terms. I think it deserves the same promise made by MacCarther to the Philipines. We too, will one day return.


35 posted on 04/13/2005 9:59:02 PM PDT by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Care to add your two cents worth?


36 posted on 04/13/2005 10:05:53 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler <strike>Schiavo</strike> - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: stylin19a

Don't worry - we're eventually going to get her back, intact. And sooner than you think, if Iran collapses of its own weight or the Israelis remove the nuclear threat for themselves.


37 posted on 04/13/2005 10:37:53 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: rmmcdaniell

Exactly. As if Bush is Buford Pusser or something.


38 posted on 04/13/2005 10:52:10 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: sonofatpatcher2
"Pueblo is still held by North Korea. In October 1999 she was moved from Wonson on the east coast, to Nampo on the west coast. This required moving the vessel through international waters, and it was done just before the visit of US presidential envoy James Kelly to the capital Pyongyang."
39 posted on 04/13/2005 10:59:55 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: sonofatpatcher2

Doesn't seem to matter which party is in power, the NKs seem to face them all down. Nixon was in power in Apr 69 when a NK jet ambushed an EC-121 aircraft from Atsugi, and all 31 aboard were murdered. Our response? Tut-tut, you meanies. The NKs ambushed and killed our soldiers all along the DMZ in the 1960s, and we harumphed. Our firmest response was to the DMZ ax murders in 1976 (Ford the boss).
Glad to see so many others of the same mind: sink the Pueblo, give her an honorable end. Missed a chance more than once, in her transit from Wonsan to Nampo and back.


40 posted on 04/13/2005 11:06:15 PM PDT by Original Kamaaina
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To: BykrBayb

I was in Viet Nam in Dec 68 when the crew was finally set free.

Nixon took office Jan 20 1969 and never pursued the issue or get our ship back.


41 posted on 04/13/2005 11:06:35 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Never Forget)
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To: I got the rope

Let’s not forget what happend in 1967 and who was Prez. And also made them think they could get away with this.

A new look at Israel's bombing of the USS Liberty
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3aed6e6f21a5.htm


42 posted on 04/13/2005 11:17:51 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: Chi-townChief

this story is very sad. such a blatant act of piracy. what was Johnson afraid of? they should have threatened to bomb pyongyang...


43 posted on 04/13/2005 11:59:13 PM PDT by djsunzi
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What was he afraid of? He, Strange McNamara, and 550,000 troops were busy trying to figure out what that light was at the end of the tunnel in Vietnam. Ten weeks after the Pueblo was taken, the scumbag Johnson made himself what he will forever be - a failed presidency. What was he afraid of? Everything in general and Robert Kennedy in particular.
44 posted on 04/14/2005 12:33:08 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: rmmcdaniell
Maybe he was the same guy who let the chinesse steal one of our planes. OOPS, wrong...that was Bush who let that happen

Buy a clue. W showed strength and resolve during the P-3 incident. lbj showed nothing but weakness during the Pueblo incident.

45 posted on 04/14/2005 12:55:07 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: LibertarianInExile
A few years ago, I read some lefty's report of his visit to North Korea and the ship. Amazingly, he reported that it isn't well maintained for a "museum" piece.

That would have been so nice to grab it back during the move, but we have to consider who was President at the time. I'm sure it was suggested at some level.
46 posted on 04/14/2005 1:08:21 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Pray for us all.)
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To: Chi-townChief

Send a SEAL team to get the ships bell and plaque. Then blow the thing to Kingdom come.


47 posted on 04/14/2005 1:13:50 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: LibertarianInExile

Bush is definitely more Buford Pusser than the last 3 Democrat pussies who inhabited the White House. Oh, I forgot. LBJ wasn't a pussy. He was just a dummy.

Ann Coulter has it right. Liberals should never be allowed near the Presidency.


48 posted on 04/14/2005 3:07:46 AM PDT by rlmorel
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I knew Pusser. If LBJ had been like Pusser, Korea would be one country by now or North Korea would be just a hole in the ground.
49 posted on 04/14/2005 5:55:06 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Chi-townChief

After we go kick their rear ends, it'll be funny to bring the Pueblo home, and have some of the Seaman that were on deck man the vessel.


50 posted on 04/14/2005 5:59:41 AM PDT by Preachin' (Keep the Kerry/Edwards tags on your cars so we can identify the root of your disease.)
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