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US navy vessel remains prized trophy for North Korea, 37 years on (USS Pueblo) ^ | Sun Apr 10,12:04 AM | AFP

Posted on 04/13/2005 7:33:14 PM PDT by Chi-townChief

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To: Blue Screen of Death
"I remember a picture NK released of the crew. Many of the crew were flipping the bird to the camera. The local (family) newspaper titled the picture..."American servicemen showing the traditional American sign of defiance".
If I remember correctly, the NK did not know what The Finger meant. The Pueblo crew told them it was a sign of love. The NK let them be photographed flipping off the camera because they though the crew was indicating to their families that they were being treated well. Actually it was a sigh of disrepect to their captures. When the NK discovered what flipping the Bird meant, they were diciplined for their actions.
51 posted on 04/14/2005 6:13:55 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: I got the rope

I remember Ronald Reagan saying then that we should go in there and tow it out.

52 posted on 04/14/2005 6:15:41 AM PDT by Semper Paratus (-)
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To: injin
"how about sending a remote control mini-sub in after it. park it next to the hull underwater and Blammo! We don't know a thing about it......
I don't think we should be covert about it. Blow the thing to bits then do a fly by to make sure they see the US markings on the aircraft!
53 posted on 04/14/2005 6:18:01 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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54 posted on 04/14/2005 6:19:05 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fast1
This is why we are perceived as weak. that was an act of war and the retaliation should of been dramatic!

Vietnam was pretty hot back in '68. We weren't in a good position to go after the NoKos at the time.

55 posted on 04/14/2005 6:19:07 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: leadpenny
Buy a clue. W showed strength and resolve during the P-3 incident. lbj showed nothing but weakness during the Pueblo incident.

Oh did I reveal a flaw in your deity Bush? Go back to your day in the life threads kool-aid drinker.

56 posted on 04/14/2005 6:50:24 AM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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No, you revealed a flaw in your thought process about leadership. Tell me, what did W do wrong in the way he got the P-3 and it's crew home? Who could have done the job better? algore? sKerry? Maybe you're one of them Nader fellers? Log Cabin Republican?

57 posted on 04/14/2005 1:16:27 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: LibertarianInExile
Re: "Pueblo is still held by North Korea. In October 1999 she was moved from Wonson on the east coast, to Nampo on the west coast. This required moving the vessel through international waters, and it was done just before the visit of US presidential envoy James Kelly to the capital Pyongyang."

Well, one more example of the First Felon's cowardice!
58 posted on 04/14/2005 2:40:38 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

North Korea doesn't maintain anything but its army and its shrines to the latest Dear Leader. South Korea is much the same, except it builds new things. Maintenance is not an Asian strong point. Give America's lawyers their due there, no cracks in the sidewalks go unfixed long in the U.S.

59 posted on 04/14/2005 3:58:38 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: rlmorel

We have no argument there, but 'more' does not mean 'the same as.'

"I suppose it could be argued," President Bush said to a friend, "that doing nothing is the next best thing to doing something." "Now," commented a small-town Idaho newspaper, "we can all sit back sans excitement--until China decides to down another of our planes."

Oh, wait, ROOSEVELT and the Idaho paper said something like that about JAPAN. And the JAPS apologized for sinking the Panay in JAP-held territory--intentionally--and then THEY paid reparations. WHEREAS the U.S. paid off the Chinese and apologized for China downing and stealing OUR plane--just as intentionally--in INTERNATIONAL waters.

No, there is no comparison between Bush and LBJ. But Buford Pusser would have stomped the shit out of China over that, and WE apologized and told them they could slice our plane up. That one blink has since set the tone in Asia--where the tigers all now look to China as their prime market and investor, and the military big dog in the region. And we sit and watch China build a navy to export its version of gunboat diplomacy.

We're in the appeasement stage. I just hope that what's left of the America I love survives the Taiwan Anschluss.

60 posted on 04/14/2005 4:16:32 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: LibertarianInExile

Well, I can agree that 'more like' doesn't mean 'same as'.

President Bush is by no means perfect. But I must tell you, in my opinion, compared to Clinton, Carter and LBJ, he is a VAST improvement over them, and there is no comparison to the Senator from my state, Hanoi John, who could have been President if not for the efforts of the Swift Boat Vets.

Compared to all three, Bush exudes class. Regardless of what the MSM and the Dems want Americans to think, Bush is no dummy. Compared to the "cerebral" Al Gore, Bush did much better in college. He may be as mean, petty and vindictive as Carter, but he doesn't let it show. I can't tell you how relieved I am not to have to pick up the paper and have scandal after scandal after scandal each day, as was the case in the Nineties. What Bush lacks in panache, he makes up for in sane moral stability, general straightforwardness and class.

As an example, visit my website at and look at the video of the incident in South America where Bush stuck up for his Secret Service guy. Would Clinton or Carter EVER have done anything even remotely like that? The Clintons taught their kid to call the Secret Service "Trained Pigs". Guys who would give their life for a piece of crap like them.

Well, I just got off on a rant there. Sorry. Back on topic, I do agree that China is going to be a tough nut to crack, make no mistake. I think we are on a collision course.

61 posted on 04/14/2005 4:47:52 PM PDT by rlmorel
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To: Chi-townChief
Why we never destroyed this thing is beyond me.

I still want to know why we didn't time-delay destroy that spy plane the Chinese stole a few years ago! Why weren't a few grenades left behind?

62 posted on 04/14/2005 4:53:22 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: vetvetdoug
>Say what you want about the USAF but General McKee from Okinawa sent armed fighter jets toward the >Pueblo under his direction and in defiance of the Navy and the White House with orders to blow all of >the North Koreans out of the water that were near the Pueblo if they got there before the North Koreans >got the Pueblo into the Harbor. General McKee, USAF, was not the closest (the Navy had a Carrier within >minutes of the Pueblo) but was the only member of a high command with balls. He was later reprimanded >for his actions.

(This is from memory so you may want to check the facts carefully before repeating it).

There followed one of the greatest moments in aviation history - and without ever a turbine-wheel been spun. The President had spoken with the unit commander and impressed upon him the importance of the mission to destroy the USS Pueblo: "Every secret the United States has is on that ship".

The planning sessions revealed that is was a almost certain suicide to attack the ship where it lay now - but they would still have to go ahead.

At the briefing, the unit commander impressed upon the men the importance of the mission and the fact that most of them would not be returning. The unit commander told that they currently had one less serviceable aircraft than pilots. He said if anyone did not wish to go, that they should raise their hand, and he would not ask any questions and that they should think nothing of it. At the rear of the room a pilot put up his hand and the unit commander said

"That's fine" and continued to give this briefing without pause.

The unit commander was interrupted by the pilot who had put up his hand.

"No Sir. One of the aircraft is two-seat. I will ride in the back"

I don't know where these guys are now but I sure hope we can find them when we need them. With men like that I could conquer the world.
63 posted on 04/15/2005 1:17:35 AM PDT by PzGr43
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To: Chi-townChief
do they see it before or after the eat a nice, hearty bowl of Bark Soup?

64 posted on 04/15/2005 1:19:34 AM PDT by Tiger Smack ( <------- for LSU & SEC sports/news/stuff)
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To: PzGr43

Here is the original:

65 posted on 04/18/2005 1:21:07 AM PDT by PzGr43
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