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Man Finds Mountain's Name Offensive
KNBC ^ | 4/14/05 | various

Posted on 04/14/2005 2:34:37 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

OAKLEY, Calif. -- An Oakley man has asked the federal government to rename Mount Diablo, saying the current name is offensive to his religious sensibilities.

"Diablo" means Satan in Spanish.

Art Mijares applied to the U.S. Board on Geographic Names for the change and suggests naming the mountain Mount Kawukum, which he believes has American Indian roots.

"Words have power, and when you start mentioning words that come from the dark side, evil thrives," Mijares told the Contra Costa Times. "When I take boys camping on the mountain, I don't even like to say its name. I have to explain what the name means. Why should we have a main feature of our community that celebrates the devil?"

To make the change, Mijares would need to persuade federal, state and local governments that it is necessary. That may be easier said than done.

It has been called Mount Diablo for at least 164 years, and references to the mountain permeate thousands of maps, books and historical documents.

The name Kawukum first surfaced in 1866, when a church group tried to change Mount Diablo's name for reasons nearly identical to Mijares', according to San Francisco Bay area researcher Bev Ortiz.

"We abhor the wicked creature to whom the name is appropriate, and spurn the use of the name for anything noble or good on earth," proclaimed the Congregational Church of San Francisco in its newsletter of the day.

The church proposed Kawukum, spelled then as Kahwookum, "a word learned from an unidentified Indian living at the base of the mountain," Ortiz wrote in a history of the mountain's name. Members presented a name-change petition to the Legislature, but lawmakers postponed a decision indefinitely.

The name Mount Diablo grew from the Spanish name given to an Indian village set near a willow thicket in modern-day Concord, where Chupcans staged a daring nighttime escape during an 1805 military campaign.

Spanish soldiers said Indians evaded them only with the help of evil spirits and named the site "Monte del Diablo," or thicket of the devil, which American explorers later mistakenly applied to the mountain.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: mountdiablo; ohgadanotheridiot; satan
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1 posted on 04/14/2005 2:34:38 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Is there another planet I can move to? I am so weary of this poo.


2 posted on 04/14/2005 2:36:34 PM PDT by Finger Monkey (H.R. 25, Fair Tax Act - do the research, contact your legislators, get this puppy passed.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Hey moron. Mount this.


3 posted on 04/14/2005 2:37:09 PM PDT by toddlintown (Can I quote you?)
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To: BurbankKarl

While we're at it, let's rename all the cities in California that start with Santa or San.....certainly some athiest somewhere is offended by that.


4 posted on 04/14/2005 2:38:25 PM PDT by GSWarrior (To activate this tagline, please contact the administrator.)
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To: BurbankKarl

I think it should be changed to Mount Fagedaboutit, an old Indian word which means "Get a life you profitless Hooplehead."


5 posted on 04/14/2005 2:39:22 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (What this country needs is dirtier hands and cleaner minds.)
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To: BurbankKarl

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1383580/posts


6 posted on 04/14/2005 2:39:37 PM PDT by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: BurbankKarl
Wouldn't "Mount Diablo" translate as "Screw Satan" ...so what the problem?
8 posted on 04/14/2005 2:40:22 PM PDT by tophat9000 (When the State ASSUMES death...It makes an ASH out of you and me)
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To: BurbankKarl

He takes boys camping on the mountain? I can see why he's afraid of satan.


9 posted on 04/14/2005 2:40:24 PM PDT by Mr.Pinette
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To: zoomie2

unfortunately, Kawukum translates roughly as "hail satan".


10 posted on 04/14/2005 2:40:48 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: BurbankKarl
Although we know this place as Mt. Diablo today, the mountain has had many Indian names. They include: Tuyshtak (Ohlone/Costanoan), 'Oj-ompil-e (Northern Miwok), Supemenenu (Southern Miwok), Sukku Jaman (Nisenan) and Kawukum (group of unknown origin).

So, we're to change the name he doesn't like to a new name whose meaning we don't know in a language of an unknown people?

Brilliant!

11 posted on 04/14/2005 2:41:22 PM PDT by Coyoteman
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To: BurbankKarl

The Indian word "Bohica" would be an excellent name. Loosely translated it means "Unwanted Painful Entry Likely". But it the Bay area it would translate "Oh Goody". Mount Bohica has a certain ring to it.


12 posted on 04/14/2005 2:41:42 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ask about free shipping !)
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To: BurbankKarl

How does he explain deviled eggs to his boys?


13 posted on 04/14/2005 2:41:46 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Hey, I grew up in the shadow of Mt. Diablo. Nearly killed myself on that mountain when I wiped out my bike into oncoming traffic.

If he doesn't like the name, I suggest he MOVE somewhere less offensive. That mountain has been around longer than he has.


14 posted on 04/14/2005 2:42:25 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: BurbankKarl

Hell lets just name it Mt kumbaya...or Mt warm & fuzzy woodland creature...


16 posted on 04/14/2005 2:42:51 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: BurbankKarl

Take a hike, Art . . . up Mount Diablo.


17 posted on 04/14/2005 2:44:34 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: BurbankKarl
These peaks would drive him nuts I bet. "Two Teats"

18 posted on 04/14/2005 2:44:44 PM PDT by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: BerthaDee

yeah, i agree.

this isn't the same country that i grew up in.


19 posted on 04/14/2005 2:45:31 PM PDT by ken21 ( wasn't fr supposed to be a place to discuss ideas?)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

How about Mount Dilligaf? Or, Mt. Limedilligaf?


20 posted on 04/14/2005 2:46:01 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: BurbankKarl

The Mount Diablo Meridian is the primary baseline for surveying most of California, so while were at it we can get all those maps reprinted. /s


22 posted on 04/14/2005 2:47:35 PM PDT by ndt
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To: BurbankKarl

Thats just to bad!


23 posted on 04/14/2005 2:50:29 PM PDT by Unicorn
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To: BurbankKarl
What's In A Name?

Like many other isolated peaks, Mount Diablo is steeped in lore -- much of it involving the mountain's name. The reference to "diablo" or devil can be traced back to 1805, when Spanish military troops searched for runaway mission Indians. At a willow thicket near present-day Buchanan Field in Concord, the soldiers encountered a camp of Chupcan people and surrounded it. During that night, the Indians escaped unseen and unheard.

Angry and confused, the Spanish called the site, "Monte del Diablo", or "Thicket of the Devil". Later, English-speaking newcomers mistakenly assumed the word "monte" meant "mountain" and applied the title to the prominent nearby peak. A linguistic accident thus gave California its Devil Mountain.

24 posted on 04/14/2005 2:52:02 PM PDT by notaliberal
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To: leadpenny

Mount Bohica is better.


25 posted on 04/14/2005 2:52:52 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ask about free shipping !)
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To: BurbankKarl
The church proposed Kawukum, spelled then as Kahwookum, "a word learned from an unidentified Indian living at the base of the mountain<<<

What a bunch of baloney. For beginners, Diablo does not mean Satan in Spanish - it means Devil. Now, this idiot, who does not even know the Spanish word for the mountain, wishes it to be something else he has no idea about, from an unidentified Indian!

What the church should do is change THEIR NAME and move to another Country with another name...
26 posted on 04/14/2005 2:53:33 PM PDT by Iron Matron
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To: BerthaDee

>> Is there another planet I can move to? <<

when you find one, may I tag along?


27 posted on 04/14/2005 2:53:44 PM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Until the borders are closed there is NO security. Get Prepared. Stay Prepared.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Been mountain biking (one of the few times in my life I might add) on Mount He-who-can't-be-mentioned-but-formerly-known-as-diablo. I'm offended that he's offended. Now what?


28 posted on 04/14/2005 2:54:08 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: appalachian_dweller

Beam me the *%@& up Scotty!


29 posted on 04/14/2005 2:55:46 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: BurbankKarl
Actually, I thought diablo meant "devil." And "diablo" occurs pretty frequently in place names in this country. So I guess ole Art is gonna hafta suffer.
30 posted on 04/14/2005 2:58:01 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: appalachian_dweller

Where in the Bill of Rights does it say you have a right not to be offended?
Hell I'm offended by something every day so what.


31 posted on 04/14/2005 2:58:24 PM PDT by DugMac ((Regan Rules))
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To: BurbankKarl

Mt Diablo is a good landmark while boating on the Sac / San Jouquin river delta. It looks like a pair of "boobs" from most points. I believe a battle was fought at it's base at one time


32 posted on 04/14/2005 3:00:16 PM PDT by clamper1797 (This Vietnam Vet ain't Fonda Kerry)
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To: BurbankKarl

is Mijares spanish for idiot?? Mt. Mijares if so.


33 posted on 04/14/2005 3:01:41 PM PDT by isom35
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To: BurbankKarl
This guy has to get over himself and then learn enough French to savor the Grand Tetons.

I know I do every chance I get.

34 posted on 04/14/2005 3:01:44 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: appalachian_dweller

Most cerainly, my dear.


35 posted on 04/14/2005 3:03:11 PM PDT by Finger Monkey (H.R. 25, Fair Tax Act - do the research, contact your legislators, get this puppy passed.)
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To: BurbankKarl
The church proposed Kawukum, spelled then as Kahwookum, "a word learned from an unidentified Indian living at the base of the mountain,


Let's compromise and call it
Mount Cuchi-Cuchi!!!

Heck, it's in Kalifornia, so who gives a rat's patoot?

36 posted on 04/14/2005 3:03:56 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: BurbankKarl

This guy has a good idea - we start protesting things that could offend our Christian feelings.


37 posted on 04/14/2005 3:05:49 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: BerthaDee
"Is there another planet I can move to? I am so weary of this poo."

LOL. Me tooooo. It's all about meeeeeeeeeee! I do believe we are living in the twilight zone.

38 posted on 04/14/2005 3:08:00 PM PDT by WarPaint (Islam out of the USA. No, the world. http://www.protesting-islam.com)
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To: BurbankKarl

ok, I may admit to being too picky. But diablo means devil. Satan equals satanas in spanish.


39 posted on 04/14/2005 3:09:31 PM PDT by David1
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To: WarPaint

You are exactly right. The Twighlight Zone.


40 posted on 04/14/2005 3:10:23 PM PDT by Finger Monkey (H.R. 25, Fair Tax Act - do the research, contact your legislators, get this puppy passed.)
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To: BerthaDee

There, there, little fecum.


41 posted on 04/14/2005 3:10:40 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: BurbankKarl
"Diablo" means Satan in Spanish.

Sorry. "Diablo" means devil in Spanish. With a small 'd'.

42 posted on 04/14/2005 3:12:29 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk)
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To: BurbankKarl

Man, If he complains over such an "offencive" and forsaken name such as that, he'd might as well sue the U.S Board of Geographinc names over "Hell's Backbone" also. (which is located in Utah...of ALL places...)


43 posted on 04/14/2005 3:13:47 PM PDT by Skylus (One shy FReeper who openly admits she cannot word or say things as correctly as she wishes to...)
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To: Old Professer

wha?


44 posted on 04/14/2005 3:14:44 PM PDT by Finger Monkey (H.R. 25, Fair Tax Act - do the research, contact your legislators, get this puppy passed.)
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To: BurbankKarl
Is this guy going to have to change his name, also?


45 posted on 04/14/2005 3:16:40 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: BurbankKarl

and he also wants to rename the Tazmanian Devil the Tazmanian half dog....


46 posted on 04/14/2005 3:16:53 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Iohannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem)
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To: Dog Gone

13 seconds Dog....13 freakin seconds....


47 posted on 04/14/2005 3:17:45 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Iohannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem)
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To: MikeinIraq

LOL, we think alike but I type faster.


48 posted on 04/14/2005 3:18:12 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: BurbankKarl
The church proposed Kawukum, spelled then as Kahwookum, "a word learned from an unidentified Indian living at the base of the mountain,"

Ok, so what is Art Mijares' religion? At the risk of being prejudice, I'll make an assumption with Mijares as a last name he might possibly Catholic. Last time I looked in my Catholic Bible, Satan is mentioned several times however, I haven't run across Kawukum. Exactly what does the word mean? And was this unidentified Indian cursing the Spanish out at the time he said the word? If Mijares can prove the unidentified Indian was a man of God and the word Kawukum is godly, then I might listen to his plea. I won't change the name, but I'd give him 5 minutes. And something else, he's supposed to be a leader of young boys, yet he can't bring himself to say the word Diablo??? Wimp.

49 posted on 04/14/2005 3:18:46 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: BurbankKarl

Hey Art Mijares, why don't you learn the old saying:

"Take no offense where none is intended."

Oh, and grow up, and stop wasting everyone's time.


50 posted on 04/14/2005 3:22:26 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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