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The Next Pope and Islamic Prophecy (TROPô covets Rome and the Vatican)
FrontPage Magazine ^ | April 14, 2005 | Steven Stalinsky

Posted on 04/14/2005 3:04:18 PM PDT by quidnunc

Following Pope John Paul II's visit to the Middle East in 2000 and 2001, some prominent Muslim leaders openly discussed the future dominance of Islam in Europe, including conquesting the Vatican. 

While the identity of the next pope is decided, one of the pressing issues he will have to deal with is the growing Muslim community in Europe, part of which have Islamist inclinations. As the New York Times reported this week, the next pope will be facing "increasing secularism in Europe, contrasting with the religious revival in the Islamic world … and the rising number of Muslim immigrants in Europe."

Saudi Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd Al-Rahman Al-'Arifi, Imam of the mosque of King Fahd Defense Academy, discussed the coming Muslim conquest of the Vatican. Citing a Hadith in an article posted on the Kalemat website in 2002, he stated: "… We will control the land of the Vatican; we will control Rome and introduce Islam in it. Yes, the Christians, who carve crosses on the breasts of the Muslims … will yet pay us the Jiziya [poll tax paid by non-Muslims under Muslim rule], in humiliation, or they will convert to Islam…"

Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi, spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and head of The European Council for Fatwa and Research and the founder of European based International Council of Muslim Scholars (Imams) posted a fatwa on the website www.islamonline.net, in 2002 about the "signs of the victory of Islam" in Europe.

Also citing a well-known Hadith, Al-Qaradhawi wrote: "… The Prophet Muhammad was asked: 'What city will be conquered first, Constantinople or Romiyya?' He answered: 'The city of Hirqil [i.e. the Byzantine emperor Heraclius] will be conquered first' — that is, Constantinople… Romiyya is the city called today 'Rome,' the capital of Italy … and we hope and believe [that it too will be conquered]."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cardinals; cary; conclave; islam; koranimals; nextpope; pope; prophecy; religionofpeace; religionofpieces; religionoftolerance; romiyya; trop
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1 posted on 04/14/2005 3:04:18 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

This is no news to the Vatican. They know that Christians and Jews are not reproducing and that can't be blamed on Islam.


2 posted on 04/14/2005 3:13:13 PM PDT by ex-snook (Exporting jobs and the money to buy America is lose-lose..)
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To: ex-snook

Time for another Crusade....(they call us Crusaders anyway,
we might as well not disappoint 'em).


3 posted on 04/14/2005 3:16:42 PM PDT by beethovenfan
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To: quidnunc

Europe is letting itself be destroyed from within. They have invited the fox into the henhouse. Their guilt trip over the wrongs of their colonial past is taking them to the brink of extinction. Very sad.


4 posted on 04/14/2005 3:16:52 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Never again trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: quidnunc

Yep. Unless the Europeans wake up--and fast--they'll be doing the jiziya before they know what hit 'em. Right now, they think it's a dance. They're going to be dancing to a very different tune. And it's going to get mighty hot on the beaches in those burqas.


5 posted on 04/14/2005 3:17:03 PM PDT by Savage Beast (There is nothing liberal about the Left!)
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To: ex-snook

They know that Christians and Jews are not reproducing and that can't be blamed on Islam.

^^
You are quite right.


6 posted on 04/14/2005 3:17:31 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Never again trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: quidnunc
We may want to check other sources before writing the Vatican off.


7 posted on 04/14/2005 3:17:58 PM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: quidnunc

and lest we forget the Pope has always been a fave potential target of our Al Quedie friends, revenge for the Crusades and all,

actually do Islamists think Catholics are people of the book, because don't Catholics worship the Trinity, the father the son and the holy ghost and Islamists therefore think Catholics are worshipping three Gods not one? in which case they are infidels not People of the Book and therefore killable without bothering to ask for the jiyza or whatever


8 posted on 04/14/2005 3:21:03 PM PDT by llama hunter
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To: Savage Beast

I think that the Europeans are wide awake. However, I think that it may be too late.


9 posted on 04/14/2005 3:22:57 PM PDT by peter the great
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To: beethovenfan
"Time for another Crusade....(they call us Crusaders anyway, we might as well not disappoint 'em)."

Christians/Jews need a Crusade to have more children. Western Civilization has taken the pill of mass destruction. The Vatican has long advocated that birth control is a no-no.

10 posted on 04/14/2005 3:25:28 PM PDT by ex-snook (Exporting jobs and the money to buy America is lose-lose..)
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To: quidnunc
Yes, the Christians, who carve crosses on the breasts of the Muslims … will yet pay us the Jiziya [poll tax paid by non-Muslims under Muslim rule], in humiliation, or they will convert to Islam…"

Yes. The recent problem of Christians carving crosses on the chests of muslims cries out for a solution. It is happening everywhere and all the time!

Fruitcake alert.

11 posted on 04/14/2005 3:28:19 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: quidnunc
>"Yes, the Christians, who carve crosses on the breasts of the Muslims … will yet pay us the Jiziya [poll tax paid by non-Muslims under Muslim rule], in humiliation, or they will convert to Islam…"

Sounds a lot like the Demoncrats talking points handbook. Oh yeah also the Communists and the ACLU's !!!!

ABC CBS NBC CNN its all the SAME, Propaganda.
Might as well call them all AmeriJazerra.
Show them how much Gravitas Hugh Bris has. Vote with your remote! Shut down the Alphabet channels.

He's Got A Plan
Zippo Hero
Seven Dead Monkeys Page O Tunes

12 posted on 04/14/2005 3:31:19 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Man, You should have seen them, kickin Edgar Allen Poe! Koo Koo Kachoo)
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To: peter the great

Agree. Too late. Islam has infiltrated Europe


13 posted on 04/14/2005 3:31:27 PM PDT by Daisy4
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To: quidnunc
Yes, the Christians, who carve crosses on the breasts of the Muslims … will yet pay us the Jiziya [poll tax paid by non-Muslims under Muslim rule], in humiliation, or they will convert to Islam…"

Question: Can we pay them with Nukes and Cruise Missiles? I would gladly pay today instead of waiting....

14 posted on 04/14/2005 3:35:24 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: quidnunc

The smugness of Islam is amazing. Muslims will see quite a different fate than what they portray in their "delusions of grandeur".

Infidels have much more firepower that the Allah-worshippers think.


15 posted on 04/14/2005 3:36:06 PM PDT by jolie560
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To: ex-snook
Islam is a totalitarian ideology at war with the west and it is incompatible with liberty. Islam is perfectly willing to use the democratic processes of the west to insert itself until it gains a moral or numerical advantage at which point they will introduce Sharia and your choice will be to convert or die. The secular west is not prepared to deal with the threat to our civilization due to insane multiculturalism which is ignorant or, worse, lying, about the unchanged patern of 13 centuries of Islamic Jihad aginst Christians and Jews.

I pray for a Pope realistic enough to confront the threat and to lead the west to sanity and to recognize we are not engaged in a war of terror but we are at war with Islam. And Islam is every bit the totalitarian ideology that Nazism and Communism was.

It is time we in the west woke-up and smelled the Frankinsence or else our headless bodies will be annointed with myrrh.

16 posted on 04/14/2005 3:36:10 PM PDT by bornacatholic (Please, God. A Pope who will wake-up the west about Islam's war against us.)
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To: beethovenfan
I'm game.


17 posted on 04/14/2005 3:40:00 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Let's get the Insurrection started, already..............)
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To: TR Jeffersonian

you need to read this.


18 posted on 04/14/2005 3:45:11 PM PDT by kalee
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To: quidnunc
Saudi Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd Al-Rahman Al-'Arifi, Imam of the mosque of King Fahd Defense Academy, discussed the coming Muslim conquest of the Vatican. Citing a Hadith in an article posted on the Kalemat website in 2002, he stated: "… We will control the land of the Vatican; we will control Rome and introduce Islam in it. Yes, the Christians, who carve crosses on the breasts of the Muslims … will yet pay us the Jiziya [poll tax paid by non-Muslims under Muslim rule], in humiliation, or they will convert to Islam…"

Now if Billy Graham has preached to take over Mecca, and Medina, and to make the Muslims there pay taxes if they do not convert to Christianity, would that be accepted by the Muslims? Of course not, it will not be accepted by the Americans, not to mention the ACLU!

19 posted on 04/14/2005 3:47:51 PM PDT by conservlib
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To: quidnunc
Dip: "Why aren't there any Muslims characters in science fiction TV shows or movies?"

Sage: "Science fiction stories are usually set in the future."

20 posted on 04/14/2005 3:48:39 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: ModelBreaker
Yes. The recent problem of Christians carving crosses on the chests of muslims cries out for a solution.

The problem is Muslims carving the heads off of non-Muslims

21 posted on 04/14/2005 3:49:06 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (If you want to have a good time, you have to have a good watch!)
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To: Bigg Red
We have nearly as many foxes in our henhouse. Since the 1981 "Mecca Declaration" (google it) an average of 2 Mosques per week have been opened in the west - including here. Again, go to islamicfinder.org and see how many Mosques are near you.

Islam is a mortal threat to our civilization.

I can't imagine an America of the 1930's letting professed Nazis imigrate here. I can't imagine an America of the 1940s, 50s and 60s letting professed Commies imigrate here but, thanks to the insanity of multiculturalism, and the hate America leftists in the Academy, we have let millions of professed Muslims immigrate here and open Mosques which are recuriting ground and training grounds and propagandistic grounds to agitate for Sharia here. It is madness and it must stop. Islamic countries don't let you immigrate there and open Christian Churches but we are supposed to let them do in our country what they refuse us in theirs.

The west appears to have a death wish

22 posted on 04/14/2005 3:50:14 PM PDT by bornacatholic (Please, God. A Pope who will wake-up the west about Islam's war against us.)
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To: Bigg Red
They are quire fortunate that Islam is not strong enough to challenge them at this point in time. The current generation living in Europe could not fend off a real challenge from out side their borders.

As is generally the case, as we are seeing in the US today, the next generation goes against the prevailing wisdom of their parents i.e. kids today are generally more conservative than their Woodstock generation parents. This holds true for all western countries except of course France wherein each successive generation simply gets stupider.

The only hope for Europe lies with the next generation, hopefully there will be enough of them to save the day.

23 posted on 04/14/2005 3:51:01 PM PDT by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: quidnunc

Well, I'm betting Paris will be a Muslim city before Rome...but looking at the demographic trends I wouldn't call either unlikely in a few generations...


24 posted on 04/14/2005 3:51:24 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (Appeasers believe that if you keep on throwing steaks to a tiger, the tiger will become a vegetarian)
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To: Michael.SF.
We may want to check other sources before writing the Vatican off.

St. Malachy predicted the fall of the Vatican and the end of the world during the reign of the pope after this one. If the cardinals pick this next one from what's being reported as frontrunners, he'll be in his late 70's so we won't have to wait long to see if they're correct.

25 posted on 04/14/2005 3:52:09 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: quidnunc
I think it was John Ashcroft who said:

In Islam, you send your son to die for God.
In Christianity, God sent His son to die for you.

26 posted on 04/14/2005 4:09:55 PM PDT by smokinleroy
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To: llama hunter

The issue of the Trinity applies to all Christians.


27 posted on 04/14/2005 4:26:40 PM PDT by SampleMan ("Yes I am drunk, very drunk. But you madam are ugly, and tomorrow morning I shall be sober." WSC)
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To: bornacatholic

I can't remember the number of the last Crusade. What will this one be?


28 posted on 04/14/2005 4:28:35 PM PDT by SampleMan ("Yes I am drunk, very drunk. But you madam are ugly, and tomorrow morning I shall be sober." WSC)
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To: Bigg Red

"They have invited the fox into the henhouse"

I'm thinking we are doing the same in the name of political correctness.


29 posted on 04/14/2005 4:29:54 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: quidnunc; All

European Muslim Population

http://islamicpopulation.com/europe_islam.html


30 posted on 04/14/2005 4:35:38 PM PDT by Daisy4
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To: quidnunc

Anyone who thinks Muslims aren't praying for this five times a day (or however many times a day they heed the call to prayer),is nuts. If the Cardinals elect a weak Pope or one more interested in appeasing Muslims than protecting Catholicism, there will be a bloodbath. Those with the means to flee Europe, will. Those remaining will take their chances. Sooner or later, the US will be called upon to intervene militarily or otherwise...but the Muslims will have nukes and other WMD's by then. The US might already have suffered a nuke attack, and if the UN is still in business, they'll be useless.


31 posted on 04/14/2005 4:38:39 PM PDT by hershey
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To: bornacatholic

Well said.


32 posted on 04/14/2005 4:40:46 PM PDT by hershey
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To: quidnunc; All

More On Islam In Europe

Islam shaping a new Europe
http://islamicpopulation.com/ct_article1.html


33 posted on 04/14/2005 4:43:36 PM PDT by Daisy4
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To: SampleMan

Depends on how you count. Some of them got distracted and never even reached any Muslims.


34 posted on 04/14/2005 4:50:30 PM PDT by mhx
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To: quidnunc
The Jihad against John Paul II (Ali Agca; 2002)

Al-Qaeda in plot to assassinate the Pope
35 posted on 04/14/2005 5:24:55 PM PDT by underlying
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To: bornacatholic
"I pray for a Pope realistic enough to confront the threat and to lead the west to sanity and to recognize we are not engaged in a war of terror but we are at war with Islam."

So? We better confront Islam as Christians confronted Rome as a better idea. Those that mean a 'military war' - that went out with the tide in the Old Testament. The realistic Pope has already pointed the way for the West - do not practice birth control, homosexuality and abortion. Jesus Rules.

36 posted on 04/14/2005 5:29:11 PM PDT by ex-snook (Exporting jobs and the money to buy America is lose-lose..)
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To: jolie560

"Infidels have much more firepower that the Allah-worshippers think."

Good point, it helps to balance the "Christians and Jews are not reproducing" part of the equation.


37 posted on 04/14/2005 5:43:37 PM PDT by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: bornacatholic

"go to islamicfinder.org and see how many Mosques are near you"

Guess I moved to the right place, the drop down Distance box doesn't go high enough.


38 posted on 04/14/2005 5:52:12 PM PDT by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: quidnunc

STFU

Absolutele, positive proof: FUBAR.


39 posted on 04/14/2005 6:08:03 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: quidnunc
some prominent Muslim leaders openly discussed the future dominance of Islam in Europe, including conquesting the Vatican.

If Europe allows sharia law (including polygamy) this will surely happen. The demographics will decide. I think Germany allows immigrants from Saudi Arabia to keep their wives.

40 posted on 04/14/2005 6:12:46 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: hershey
"Sooner or later, the US will be called upon to intervene militarily or otherwise..."

I hope a Democrat isn't in office at the time. It's not a stretch to imagine her sending in troops to support the Muslims in their efforts.

41 posted on 04/14/2005 6:31:28 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: Viking2002

I suggest 50 caliber swords this time.


42 posted on 04/14/2005 8:13:55 PM PDT by beethovenfan
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To: bornacatholic
We have nearly as many foxes in our henhouse...Again, go to islamicfinder.org and see how many Mosques are near you.

Exactly! Anyone ever heard of CAIR?? I would not make jabs at Europe or the Vatican until you investigate your city, county and state.

43 posted on 04/14/2005 8:16:28 PM PDT by Just A Nobody
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To: quidnunc
We will control the land of the Vatican; we will control Rome and introduce Islam in it. Yes, the Christians, who carve crosses on the breasts of the Muslims … will yet pay us the Jiziya [poll tax paid by non-Muslims under Muslim rule], in humiliation, or they will convert to Islam…"
Well, isn't that special! When will we wake up to the danger and their plots? They're telling us straight out their plans! Jeez Louise! :-(
44 posted on 04/14/2005 8:22:26 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (I'm not winking - this way I only have to hit the shift key once - so I'm lazy! ;-)
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To: ex-snook

bttt


45 posted on 04/14/2005 8:28:19 PM PDT by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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Israel is a nuclear power. France is a nuclear power. England is a nuclear power. Even if Europeans are too cowardly to do anything about it, the US and Israel will NEVER allow muslims to establish a nuclear islamic state in Europe. And if they seized power in France, they would instantly graduate to that status, and not just to the status of any old nuclear power, but to one that has plenty of hydrogen bombs and ICBMs to deliver them. Unthinkable.

It's bad enough that Pakistan has nukes. We're on the verge of going to war to stop Iran getting them. As much as I hate to say it, I think once again we're going to be forced to go to the rescue of France, just to keep nukes out of muslim hands. And we can expect the French to resist us this time even more than they did the last time we went to their rescue, such is their hatred of Americans.

46 posted on 04/14/2005 10:48:50 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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And if they seized power in France, they would instantly graduate to that status, and not just to the status of any old nuclear power, but to one that has plenty of hydrogen bombs and ICBMs to deliver them.

France has decommissioned and made all of their ICBM's inactive. They do however have the worlds 4th largest nuclear force, but it consists of 4 subs and about 60 Mirage 2000 capable of carrying nuclear armed missiles. If France begins to fall, the US should eliminate the French nuclear forces before they fall into the hands of the Islamic Front. My guess would be that the US eliminates the French Subs and England eliminates the 60 French Mirage 2000's with US assitance. The Eastern front will be more worriesome. Poland and Russia will need to contain the eastern Islamic Front. China needs to wake up and shrug its US HyperPower Envy and begin to deal with the threat coming from their south and west.

47 posted on 04/15/2005 3:45:14 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: quidnunc
...including conquesting the Vatican.

The word is "conquering." Damnation. Do writers not use dictionaries any more? Did not spell check catch this? Are editors illiterate?

48 posted on 04/15/2005 3:47:54 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: SampleMan

It's a new millenium. Let's start with number one, again


49 posted on 04/15/2005 12:22:23 PM PDT by bornacatholic (Please, God. A Pope who will wake-up the west about Islam's war against us.)
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To: ex-snook
Muslim conversion to Christianity is an event as rare as a sensible statement by Teddy Kennedy. Back when birth control, abortion and homosexualtiy were univedsally condemned, Islam still practiced Jihad. It is the nature of that beast and its savage behavior has remained unchanged for over 13 Centuries.

Of course, natural and Divine Law morality and evangelization must be routinely practiced but war by the west is inevitable. Islam is already at war with the west.

50 posted on 04/15/2005 12:30:00 PM PDT by bornacatholic (Please, God. A Pope who will wake-up the west about Islam's war against us.)
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