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The most interesting thing is how priests are being 'exported' from South America and Africa to Europe. In essence the church (be it Catholic, Protestant, etc) is facing extinction in Europe (I remember how in Britain entire churches would be virtually empty, with only a couple of old people and their grandkids).

It is somewhat ironic that the very places where missionaries were heading to a few decades ago are now the ones sending missionaries.

1 posted on 04/15/2005 8:39:39 AM PDT by spetznaz
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To: spetznaz

Perhaps in my lifetime they'll move the Holy See to Brazzaville or Seoul, on the grounds that it's pointless to have the Catholic Church be headquartered in a place where there aren't any Catholics.


2 posted on 04/15/2005 8:50:47 AM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: spetznaz

Your points remind me of a book I recently read that describes the rapid emergence of Christianity in third world countries. It is called "The Next Christendom: The coming of Global Christianity." It is well documented and an eye-opener.


3 posted on 04/15/2005 9:16:24 AM PDT by Cruz
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Cardinal Francis Arinze of Nigeria

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5 posted on 04/15/2005 9:55:07 AM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: spetznaz

Europe is now considered pagan territory and is currently a hot missionary focus of many faiths, including cults.


8 posted on 04/15/2005 10:20:02 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: spetznaz

Yes you have to laugh at the irony of the situation. Europe is indeed in danger of becoming swamped under the tide of Islamic Imperialism, it is about time the Church responded. With African missionaries? LOL oh the irony ;-)


10 posted on 04/15/2005 10:22:51 AM PDT by Kelly_2000
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To: spetznaz

A great, great young man leading souls to heaven.

Father Bernard Mary Ayo Oniwe's

Father Bernard, OP (the Order of Preachers) was born in Nigeria in 1968. He graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Dramatic Art from Obafemi Awolowo University. He received his Master’s degree in Theology from the Dominican Institute of Philosophy and Theology, an affiliate of Duquesne University, in Ibadan, Nigeria. He was ordained in 2000 at Ibadan, Nigeria as a Dominican of the Saint Joseph the Worker Providence. He is designated for ministry in the Diocese of Harrisburg and is assigned to serve here for three years.Nigeria is a former British Colony. Father Bernard grew up speaking and studying British English in school, as well as a native Nigerian tribal language. Father Bernard’s previous assignment was associate chaplain at the Chapel of Perpetua Light at Obafemi Awolowo University, one of the most prestigious in Nigeria. Prior to that, he served as associate pastor at Saint Dominic’s in Yaba, Lagos (a province in Nigeria).


11 posted on 04/15/2005 11:26:09 AM PDT by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: spetznaz
African Catholic Church Growing Rapidly

Yes, on our (America's) dime.

12 posted on 04/15/2005 11:59:36 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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The church can bring great political progress indirectly, as well as aid needy africans without corruption. My thoughts:
from wwww.neoperspectives.com
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Advisor: Reagan Threatened War over Poland (Update 4/8/05)

4/4/2004 Newsmax Despite the saturating media coverage of the Pope's death, this story remains largely untold. Pope John Paul II was the first non Italian pope in over 455 years, and possibly chosen by the Catholic Church for a reason:. he was a native of Poland, which at that time was a stagnating Communist satellite of the Soviet Union. Communists have always suppressed religion (the USSR, China, Cuba, and Cambodia have all massacred Catholic priests and worshipers) and Poland was no exception. Like all the populations of Eastern Europe, the Polish people hated their puppet government, yet feared the Soviet Army, which invaded and brutally suppressed popular uprisings in Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968. However, this time things were different:

It began on June 7, 1982 at a private Vatican meeting between President Reagan and Pope John Paul II. The two men were alone for 50 minutes and the subject of their discussion was Poland and the Soviet domination of Eastern Europe. <> Reagan and the Pope agreed to undertake a clandestine campaign to hasten the dissolution of the communist empire …<> The clandestine U.S. support using the Vatican's Catholic network grew to $8 million a year during the mid 1980s. High tech communications equipment was smuggled in along with printing equipment, supplies, VCRs and freedom tapes. <> When the Russians appeared to be on the brink of an invasion, President Reagan's White House made clear the U.S. would not be acquiescent again. Judge Clark [Reagan's National Security Advisor] told NewsMax bluntly, "We in the Reagan administration were prepared to recommend the use of force if necessary to stop such an invasion." [In reality, we can't be sure how serious the Reagan Admin was about this, or its influence on the Soviet Policy, but the loss of Poland was the catalyst for the liberation of a billion people from Communist rule ] In the end, however, Soviet domination of Poland and Eastern Europe ended, along with the Soviet Union itself, without a shot being fired, thanks to the alliance between Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II – an alliance formed between two men who understood the evil nature of communism and knew how to bring it down.

Not that the Soviets didn't recognize the danger John Paul posed. The Washington Times reports: He spent his formative years in Soviet-run Poland under pervasive government spying. The Turkish gunman who shot him in 1981 was suspected of ties to the Soviets, a regime later brought down by forces the pope openly supported.

However, the most interesting part of the first story is this sentence: Following that [Polish Puppet Communist] government's outlawing of the Solidarity movement, which the Pope had publicly and covertly supported, Reagan suspended Poland's Most Favored Nation trading status, costing cash-strapped Poland some $6 billion a year in sales.

Why is this interesting? Because it is the exact opposite of what is being done today. As documented throughout this website, the United States, World Bank, IMF, UN, and other countries routinely give aid to the governments of countries which are plagued by authoritarianism and corruption. For example, the United States was once the largest grain donor to North Korea and the Taliban. If history is any indication, we can be assured that Reagan was denounced as being 'cold hearted' and 'cruel' to the Polish citizens (as well as being a warmonger). Of course, this is, again, 180 degrees from reality. Today the Polish people and government are among the most staunchly pro-American in all of Europe.

The best way to aid the citizens of poor countries is to threaten their governments, support and, if necessary, arm, democratic and property protecting opposition groups, and give aid to the people via separate organizations that are not controlled by the government. For example, in corrupt and socialistic Africa, the Catholic Church is a force for good:

The church's influence in Africa goes beyond its congregations. Catholic schools educate millions, counting several current leaders among their alumni. Church-run hospitals and clinics serve far more people than the Catholic population. Catholic charities make the church known even in villages without congregations.

And from another AP story:

When missionaries brought Christianity, they also brought education and health care. About 60 percent of the hospital beds in Congo now are in Roman Catholic facilities, he said.

Not everyone has praise for John Paul II. Iranian state controlled media ran critical stories about the Pope and Israel, along with their traditional anti-Semitic broadcasts.


16 posted on 04/15/2005 4:00:02 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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To: spetznaz

Africa has traditionally been a conservative bastion of the Christian faith, whether Anglican or Catholic. I would be delighted if the next several Popes came from there.

Sky News ran an item about the oldest chapel in Africa, in Mozambique, established in 1552 by the Portuguese. Still well attended.

Regards, Ivan


28 posted on 04/18/2005 6:29:18 AM PDT by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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