Posted on 04/15/2005 9:45:26 PM PDT by FairOpinion
The death certificate for Theresa Marie Schiavo should record that she was killed by court order. The state courts flagrantly violated the democratically enacted laws of Florida — laws expressly intended to protect the incapacitated and vulnerable whenever there is doubt about their true condition or their desire to live. When the Congress and the president of the United States took extraordinary steps at the end to have the case reviewed, the federal courts haughtily ignored them.
The courts’ overreaching began in 1990, the very year Terri Schiavo, then 26, was stricken. The Supreme Court that year decided the Cruzan case, which concerned another woman’s tragedy. Here, the Court held both that the Fourteenth Amendment guaranteed a right to decline medical treatment, and that medical treatment included basic sustenance. Further, the Court held that a surrogate could exercise this right for people who (a) were in a “persistent vegetative state” (PVS) and (b) had convincingly expressed a desire not to be sustained if they ever reached that state.
Both tests were dangerously imprecise. PVS combines the total loss of higher cognitive functions with the persistence of rudimentary reflex responses. A person who is minimally conscious and responsive to stimuli is not in a PVS. Because the condition is so difficult to get a precise fix on, some experts peg its misdiagnosis rate as nearing one out of every two cases. The Court’s standard for intent, meanwhile, did not require a reliable piece of writing, such as an authenticated will. Hearsay would do the trick. . .
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
"Further, the Court held that a surrogate could exercise this right for people who (a) were in a “persistent vegetative state” (PVS) and (b) had convincingly expressed a desire not to be sustained if they ever reached that state. "
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As you pointed out in your post 43 on another thread,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1379488/posts?page=43#43
Greer referred to Michael Schiavo as a surrogate, when in fact, he was a proxy.
Terri PING
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
The illegalities in Judge Greer's behavior just keep piling up. This is the "rule of law" that was so sacred to Jeb Bush that Terri Schiavo had to die in order to preserve it.
Terri died not just be court order but by Executive Cowardice.
The real problem is not the courts, but the widespread belief in Absolute Judicial Supremacy.
I heard on FOX today, Hannity and Colms, that 28 complaints had been filed by Terri's aids and nurses between 2000 and 2004 against her husband. The judge threw them out of court as irrelevant.
Excerpt from Blogs for Terri:
April 15, 2005
Another Terri Schiavo-Like Case - This One's in Chicago
Several people have emailed me the following story about Clara Martinez, a Chicago woman who is reportedly being starved to death.
Martinez suffered a debilitating stroke a year ago and her husband signed a "Do Not Resuscitate" order that led to the disconnection of her feeding tube. She is able to consume liquids through her mouth and, so far, has survived for thirty days without food.
Under "normal" circumstances her situation would have gone unnoticed had it not been for the intervention of a pastor of the Hispanic Evangelical Church. Her family also opposes the husband's decision.
I spoke to the article's author, Jorge Mederos. He said the family feels "powerless" and has called the media without response. "No one is paying attention," he said. "The family is planning a protest tomorrow or over the weekend."
http://www.blogsforterri.com/archives/2005/04/another_terri_s.php#more
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Make no mistake, there were parallel battles going on:
• Terri Schiavo’s fight for life
• The deatheaters right to murder
• The judicial branch’s fight to remain omnipotent in violation of the Constitution
The judge, acting in addition as jury and executioner, is the enemy of our country. The judicial system uniformly supported him, showing their loyalty to their guild far exceeded their loyalty to God, Honor, Country.
The President swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. To protect our rights to LIFE, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. He did "what he could".
The world watched as he stood by, hands in his pocket, claiming to be “for life” and doing nothing.
Doing your best is always good enough for God. Claiming to do your best is not.
When he allowed Terri Schiavo’s murder, a part of his soul died, too. He had the power. He wasn’t the man.
It looks like a black hole in the fourteenth Amendment to me.
When Greer issued the execution order, he stepped outside the boundaries of what a probate judge is allowed to do, but not one other rubber stamptrooper in black robes bothered to address that wrong, so now probate judges can execute persons without the standard of 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. ... And there are Freepers who insist the wrongs were the Congress getting involved, sheesh.
And there are Freepers who insist the wrongs were the Congress getting involved, sheesh.
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Yeah . . . it's enough to make you wish that passing a basic intelligence test was a requirement for obtaining FReeper posting privileges, eh ??? ;-))
Bump.
Why write to Sweet Baby James when you can write to seanshow@abc.com with a copy to hannity@foxnews.com?
And a test for basic human decency wouldn't be bad either.
The medical industry and the penal industry are closer to each other than most people realize, but if you think about it, it seems they met, coincided, at the point of the TS events. Same mechanism, same methods, same thinking. This point is where a new power is growing, and this is where we ought to start thinking about what is going on.
"When Greer issued the execution order, he stepped outside the boundaries of what a probate judge is allowed to do, but not one other rubber stamptrooper in black robes bothered to address that wrong, so now probate judges can execute persons without the standard of 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. "
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I noticed that too and is horrified at this.
"And there are Freepers who insist the wrongs were the Congress getting involved, sheesh"
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Ann Coulter put it in context:
"Also on the pro-killing side are conservatives still pissed off about the Civil Rights Act of 1964 who are desperately hoping to be elected "most consistent constitutionalist" by their local Federalist Society chapters.
You can't grow peanuts on your own land or install a toilet capable of disposing two tissues in one flush because of federal government intervention. But Congress demands a review of the process that goes into a governmental determination to kill an innocent American woman — and that goes too far!
It's not a radical extension of current constitutional doctrines — even the legitimate ones! — for the federal government to assert a constitutional right to life that cannot be denied without due process of law under the Fifth and 14th Amendments. Congress didn't ask for much, just the same due process John Wayne Gacy got.
But people even stupider than lawyers have picked up on the vague rumblings from "most consistent constitutionalist" aspirants and begun to claim that Congress' action is an affront to "limited government."
http://www.anncoulter.org/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=48
No kidding.
I saw someone post yesterday that us "Terri fanatics" need to think about how much it costs to keep disabled people alive and that the health care system will go banckrupt if we don't start killing off Terri types.
It made me literally ill.
Sean Hannity's e-mail: James.Grisham@abc.com
"Why write to Sweet Baby James when you can write to seanshow@abc.com with a copy to hannity@foxnews.com?"
Thank you. I will add that to my contact info.
I did e-mail James Grisham, probably among others, about Grandma Mae, and James e-mailed me back and said he was talking with the family, and they had family on Hannity and Colmes a couple of days later.
So what I'm gonna do next time, is e-mail to ALL of them. Can't hurt.
:)
Yeah, I read Ann's comments. She gets it so clearly. There was a recent thread making a learned comparison between Terri's plight and that of Dred Scott, and the advent of the fourteenth amendment and subsequent 'subpreme' Court chippings away until the fourteenth is toothless now in the 'inalienable right to LIFE', the DI principle intended to be codified with the 14th Amendment.
It should. It is the product of some of the most powerful modern minds, those thinkers who try to figure out what is going on. Instead of figuring out, designing, some ideal utopia like the Marxists of 150 years ago, they are merely trying to see what is going on and where we are headed. It is not a pleasant place where we are going as fast as out feet can carry us.
And one more thing: I'm sick of fools stating that Terri received due process of law; what Terri received was 'process', but she definitely didn't get what was 'due' based on our/her DI and our/her Constitution. why?... Because the elites effectively dehumanized her from the start, just the way Taney dehumanized Mister Scott, setting the final outcome of his case before any consideration was made and thus actualk due process based on the Constitution and founding Documents carried out.
"I saw someone post yesterday that us "Terri fanatics" need to think about how much it costs to keep disabled people alive and that the health care system will go bankrupt if we don't start killing off Terri types.
It made me literally ill."
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Hitler held the same opinion -- "useless people" don't deserve to live.
CIVILIZED people don't think that way. It is indeed frightening to see people here advocate the killing of all those who aren't useful to society -- until someone decides that your political opinions should also play a part in that decision.
For being a conservative forum, some of these cold blooded posters scare the hell out of me.
I am still so sad about her suffering that I can barely stand to read this stuff.
I know what you mean -- but out grief over Terri needs to turn to resolve and demand justice and make sure this will never happen again.
Tom Delay asked the Judicial Committee to investigate all judges involved in the decision and work on a Legislation.
These judges who made a mockery of the law and human decency need to be held accountable by Congress.
I don't intend to be rude, but please tell me what you would have done if you were POTUS? I really don't see what more President Bush could have done within the law. Had he done some of the things being suggested; the Democrats would already be filing impeachment charges against him.
I know the difference between right and wrong. I answer to a higher moral authority than a death-obsessed probate judge.
I would have made a speech defying any court in the United States, operating under the constitution, to justify the murder of an innocent woman never convicted of any crime.
I would proudly stand before any impeachment proceeding with confidence and in Christian faith that I was defending the sanctity of life guaranteed all Americans since the founding of this nation.
The murder of Terri Schiavo is a disgrace to America and to the President and the Governor of Florida.
On the day of her death, the rule of law in America parted company with basic humanity.
The President says he is a Christian. Jesus said whatever we do to the least we have done to Him. We have done no less than to starve to death, through the innocent Terri Schiavo, the Son of God Himself.
Well, if you ever run for office, let us know, you have my vote!
I hope for the day when this back robed punk gets nailed.
You certainly have my vote should you ever run for office!
Just curious, anybody know if Judgenfuhrer Greer is still under protective custody? I heard he had moved out of his house.
Perhaps a different adjective would be in order. Evidently civilized people do think that way.
It's obvious her husband for whatever specious reasons he could concoct, treated Terri as if she were an albatross chained around his neck. A lingering presence that he had to eliminate. The only way he could affect this was through a judicial system to maintain his own freedom, and fortunately for him, not for Terri or her loving family, he found Judge Greer and Attorney Felos.
Terri was treated no better than a slave. Damaged property to be disposed of because she was no longer useful to her husband.
All the wondrous and gallant words of our Constitution, our Declaration of Independence, and our Bill of Rights could not save her from this heinous death order. A husband's desire based on his recall seven years after his wife's collapse of Terri's plea to do her in, starve her to death if she should become a 'vegetble' was all that was needed for Judge Greer to agree, of course the judge did take into consideration Michael's brother and sister-in-law confirmation of Terri's wishes. but, all others who disagreed and refuted these claims were not heard.
The question I have for Michael Schiavo is based on whether he is sane. For what madness must lurk in the mind of a man who stands by while his wife suffers and slowly dies by starvation and dehydration. He sees her tongue swell and crack, he sees a thick film appear around her mouth and throat which will eventually clog up her respitory system. He sees her gasping for air. He stands by. No succor, no water for her cracked lips. Nothing. He stands and watches. Counting the hours to her death. Her death, his freedom.
The doctors give Terri morphine. Is it more for Michael's need for a semblance of 'euphoria' and 'peace' that Felos told him would come as a result of starvation?
Her eyes hollow and dull, perhaps Terri feels fear. Some recognition that something is terribly wrong. Her throat is dry, no one gives her water. Her skin is cracking, no one puts lotion on to soothe her. Her organs are drying up, and why is her mother, her father, her brother and sister standing by with horror in their eyes and horror. Why aren't they touching me? A priest comes. Why?
Michael is surely insane to allow this to happen, to see the truth of his barbarey when all he should have done was to release her to her parents. Why was it so imperative that she die? Why could he not let her live?
That said, however, it was wrong for the Repubs to push this Federal legislation. Why? Because anyone with a bit of political acumen, should have realized that it WOULD NOT save Terri! It was destined to be ineffective, ab initio.
The result of this legislation could only be precisely what eventuated; a divisive confrontation between pro-life and pro-choice/death forces (media), that could NEVER garner the public support needed to save Terri.
What should the Republicans had done? Simple. Nine recalcitrant REPUBLICAN Fla. Senators could have saved Terri. The first call to the Numbskull Nine, should have been from Jeb. If ineffective, the second should have been from The Hammer. Still ineffective, the 3rd call should have been from the Speaker of the House.
And if still ineffective, the Numbskull Nine should have received a call from the White House secretary- “Please hold, the President of the United States would like to speak to you!”
If still ineffective, the Nuclear Option. A personal visit from Condi Rice and Ann Coulter.
It is wholly incredible,and virtually politically unacceptable, to believe that the National Leadership of the Republican Party could not find the means to flip these votes. But, past is past. In releasing the Med. info yesterday, Greer blinked for the first time. It won't be the last. Justice will ultimately come to Terri.
BTTT
I too continued pleading for the governor to act in a more forthright and less calculated-to-avoid-being-politically-embarassed way, but it is very apparent that we the people have a constitutional crisis upon us, where one branch of our government has taken to behaving as if it is the oligarch of this Republic. We the people need to demand that a few of those smarmy black robed bastard kings be impeached and removed for violating OUR fourteenth amendment where Terri was concerned. I prefer that to the velvet hammer techniques you outlined because the real problem is within the arrogant judicial branch and thus would have only been set aside for a time by the method you endorse.
Good post!!
If he had, her parents would have 'won' and he would have 'lost'.
Thanks, mema.
Remember, our task was to save Terri’s life under exigent circumstances. The point of my prior post was that the Republicans should have known that the Federal Legislation was going to be disregarded by the arrogant judiciary, with the support of the pro choice/death forces, the atheist liberal media, and the Democrat Party- Thus, that Legislation could not save her life.
The alternative, flipping the Numbskull Nine by force of political persuasion by the Rep. National Leadership, would have been much more expedient, expeditious and practical- Your description of that alternative as “velvet glove”- should have been any thing but. It should have indicated to the Numbskulls that disloyalty to the national party on this particular pro-life issue was tantamount to the end of their tenure in the Republican Party. Here, at least there was the chance, to save Terri’s life.
We will have plenty of opportunities to fight our battles against the judiciary, et al. We had only one chance to save Terri. Regrettably, imho, we adopted the wrong strategy in trying to do so.
That said, my firend, we are on the same side. Going on to your side of the fence, given the facts as they DID occur, I honestly could not see any long term political harm coming to either the President or Jeb had they exercised executive powers- They could merely have said:
“In my view, the law was ambiguous. And as a matter of conscience and of natural law, I do not believe that here in America we put any human being to death by the deprivation of food and water. And if the majority of Americans feel that that belief makes me unfit for office, than frankly, I will be blithe not to serve.”
And who would write this IQ test and human decency test? You perhaps.....
I'm sure some tenured poster as yourself would come up with something.
Good I hope he, Felos and Michael, have to run and hide for the rest of their sorry lives.
Yes, I have been surprised by even Christians claiming well it is just how you look at it, who would want to live like that?
My reply? Maybe, but we don't kill them. That is murder.
Protective custody? Ask those who want useless eaters dead what they think about "protective custody" charges paid by taxpayers.
We pay full salary retirement benefits for senators, breakfast and lunch for school children, perks, pork, and trips wherever for government representatives and benefits and medical care for illegals - but we have to kill those too handicapped, too sick, too old because they are too expensive?
Wonder why they never consider cutting the above payments first? That would seem logical before you go killing American citizens.
I bet they change their view when it happens to be one of their children.
Guess they just mean - those "other" people.
Great post - this should be posted where all the "death to useless eater" posters lurk.
Look, this is not a "hate Bush" site. There were plenty of people in the system that should have done differently. It is not fair to blame Pres. Bush because he did not rush in like Superman to the rescue.
Turn your tackiness against the real culpripts - the Florida senators who did not pass a state bill to help her. That is where the action should have taken place and they are the ones getting off scott free.
The same Florida legislature that freely turned over law making to the end-of-life panel who have steadily marched step by step to the conclusion you saw with their laws.
That is an outrage - and the whole Florida legislative branch should be thrown out for allowing state murder to occur in that state.
Quit trying to turn this against Pres. Bush and Gov Jeb Bush for whatever political points you can make.
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