Did Oklahoma City Bombers Have Help?

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[teldon30]

One month after the April 19, 1995, Oklahoma City bombing (search) that killed 168 people, authorities demolished what was left of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building (search). Officials said the implosion was a necessary part of the psychological recovery for the citizens of Oklahoma City. But critics question the FBI’s tactics and argue the building came down too soon and the implosion is one piece of a government cover-up. Survivor VZ Lawton remembers the events after the attack. “I was in my office at my desk signing papers and all of a sudden the building began to shake,” said Lawton. “The lights went out, debris started falling and then something hit me on the head and knocked me out before the truck bomb ever went off.” Lawton and some others believe Timothy McVeigh (search) — who was convicted of federal conspiracy and murder charges in the bombing and executed in 2001 — and convicted conspirator Terry Nichols (search) weren't alone in plotting the attack. During the investigation the FBI circulated sketches of “John Does” and in response received thousands of conflicting tips from across the country.

[Deetes]

Ping

[kingsurfer]

Didn't Clinton apointees shred a whole bunch of important documents about this? I think it was more to cover up incompetence than cooperation.

[ordinaryguy]

"knocked me out before the truck bomb ever went off."

Pardon me for asking, but if he was knocked out, how does he know the truck bomb went off later? Did he regain conciousness before the truck was blown up?

[GeekDejure]

Did Oklahoma City Bombers Have Help?

Certainly . . . but they refused my confession simply because I'm stuck in a wheelchair !!!

Dammit . . . I demand my civil rights !!! ;-))

[samtheman]

I fear that at the very least the FBI is top-heavy with stupid and incompetent morons. Not just regular run-of-the-mill morons, but stupid and incompetent morons. At the worst, there's a sinister cover-up going on here. But before we look at the cover-up issue, I think the issue of institutionalized stupidity and incompetence in this most important of organizations must be addressed. The reason they won't follow the trail of those phone records in a case involving so many dead Americans is .... ???

And the reason they can't release records in a case that is "open" when they were so quick to "close" it by pinning all the blame on the Nichols and McVeigh is ... ???

Stupid. Incompetent. Morons. Or worse.

[Diogenesis]

Gorelick.

Gorelick covered up EVERYTHING for EVERYBODY. And she wrote the book.

"WE also finally have our own copy of Gorelick's book "Destruction of Evidence"
and we will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, be fired again by anyone."

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THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION,
The Mysterious Jamie Gorelick Phone Call
By David Hoffman,Sun Sep 14 12:10:57 1997

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On Aug. 22, 1996, just before the Democratic National Convention,
Ms. Gorelick oversaw a critical Justice Department meeting with the FBI.
mmediately after this meeting, as it happened,
all serious inquiry into the fate of TWA 800 came to an end.

Gorelick was instrumental in the corruption of TWA Flight 800 terrorism investigation
Did Clinton appointee corrupt Flight 800 probe?

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MORE?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1117579/posts
GORELICK GATE - various FR links

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Consider: If Gorelick, Clarke and Clinton had been completely HONEST
to the American public about the Islamic-crashed airplanes, like TWA800, in the 90's
or the other Islamic terror attacks, then Americans WOULD have been on alert on 911
and would have had the opportunity to prevent the 911 Atrocities.

[razzle]

Hard for me to believe that McVeigh was involved with Islamic terrorists after he was a tank gunner in the Gulf War and killed dozens of Islamo types.

[ordinaryguy]

Timothy McVeigh said he killed enemy soldiers there but grew to question whether he was doing the right thing. "I thought ... what right did I have to come over to this person's country and kill him? How did he ever transgress against me?"

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/03/13/mcveigh/

[backhoe]

 

 JAYNA DAVIS NOT FINISHED WITH OKC BOMBING -- live with Doug McIntyre, KABC in L.A. - Apr. 19

 Google is your powerful and amazing friend....

 FBI Waited to Check Out Tip on Nichols - OKC

[razzle]

Thanks; the enemy of my enemy is my friend I guess. Thank God the Demonic Dems are not running the U.S. any more, at least not in foreign affairs.

[Coldwater Creek]

And then you have a large number of the voters that want to put this group back into the White House!!!!!!!!

[Uncle Vlad]

I know this is going to make someone ofer me more tinfoil for my hat, but in light of the fact that mass murderers and other monsters sit on death row for 20 years or more, doesn't it seem odd how fast they executed Timothy McVeigh?

[Beth528]

The damage that resulted could not have occurred from a van parked outside… I don't care how fancy an explosive was used. What did in that building… was an inside job.

A Federal Government worker, who had witnessed the blast first-hand. "He was approximately five blocks from the building whenever the building went up. He claims that the top of the building went up like a missile going through it. The debris was coming back down when the side of the building blew out. He said third and last, the truck blew up on the street.

Like Flight 800 I believe this was terrorist and the Clinton's didn't want to be bothered.

[ReadyNow]

How can anybody POSSIBLY think there is a connection between this bombing and members of a religion of peace? Especially when Our Government tells us there is no such thing?

[Loyal Buckeye]

Didn't McVeigh ask to be executed?

[rellimpank]

--I think it seemed odd to a lot of us.

Even though he purportedly turned down any extensive appeal procedure, it was still fast for an execution --especially a federal one---

[cajungirl]

If you have to choose between incompetence or malice, go for incompetence and you are right 99% of the time. Someone told me that once and it has rung true for me for many years, and lessened my paranoia.

[eno_]

For me the clincher is that McVeigh mixed and loaded the bomb by himself.

Try mixing ONE barrel of dry fertilizer with anything, by hand. I'm pretty fit, and I know how beat I am after mixing just a couple wheelbarrow loads of cement for foundation piers.

It would have taken three people, at least, to make the bomb.

[eno_]

Yes, the likeliest answer is that it was a botched "sting" and Clintoon chose to turn it into a propaganda event.

[ThreePuttinDude]

Uncle Vlad, that's not strange at all to me.
It never passed the smell test, in my opinion.

[OldFriend]

Something hit him in the head and knocked him out.

And now he's an expert on what came next. Or even before?

Taking down the building is the least of the questions that need answering and it answers aren't in the rubble....IMO.

[ovrtaxt]

OKC-911 CONNECTION ALERT. Please let me know by freepmail if you want to be put on or taken off this list. Thanks.

[Cheapskate]

That's one hellva fine question.

[Jabba the Nutt]

Request for help. I remember that McVeigh had written 3 letters to the editor to the small upstate New York newspaper in his home town. One letter explained how he was in support on nationalized healthcare. I haven't been able to find it.

Is this all in my mind or is there such a letter?

[Joe Boucher]

Then why doesn't Mr. Bush let the truth be known. That would surely sink the hildabeast and her presidency chances.
Don't get me wrong, I do think there has been a cover up here and regarding many other events like flight 800. I
just don't know why the myths are perpetuated.
If you recall Mr. Halstrom of the F.b.i. stated right after the plane was shot down that if you knew the truth about this, then he caught himself and shut the hell up.

[varon]

BTTT

[airborne]

Thank God the Demonic Dems are not running the U.S. any more, at least not in foreign affairs.

There are still many 'Demons' employed at the State Department.

[Smokin' Joe]

Another speedy deed was the demolition of the remnants of the building and closing the site. (Basically, the destruction of a crime scene.)

Mebbe tinfoil hat material, but the only quicker removal of a crime scene I can think of happened at Waco...also fenced off, and where critical evidence was 'lost'.

[Quilla]

John Kerry referred to TWA800 as a terrorist attack - twice - once on Larry King and then again with Chris Matthews.

[prairiebreeze]

bump read later

[Smokin' Joe]

Yes, the likeliest answer is that it was a botched "sting" and Clintoon chose to turn it into a propaganda event.

While that is entirely possible, I am reminded that: Congressional hearings had been scheduled into just what happened at Waco.

Randy Weaver was some where in the legal process that led to a judgement against the Feds.

The assault weapons ban repeal movement was gaining ground.

The militia movement was gathering steam.

A plethora of allegations/investigations into Clintonista racketeering were going down or in their inception.

What better way to deflect public opinion than have a terrorist event, set up as a sting, but allowed to proceed, and then handily blame it on Conservatives, gun owners, Christians, and just about anyone who was willing to cry "Foul".

Just after the bombing, anyone to the Right of Hillary was branded an "extremist", and the MSM played that tune so long and hard, they had to cut new tapes.

[CaptSkip]

Which will be revealed first if ever?

The truth about Kennedy, TWA 800, or OKC?

[rbg81]

As I recall, McVeigh dropped all his appeals and wanted to die. I doubt that he (or anyone with no fear of death) would ever have dropped dime on any of his accomplices. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say.

[rbg81]

I think TWA 800 was a terrorist attack that got swept under the rug in the name of political correctness and preserving the airline industry. Sometimes I think the Government would have swept 9/11 under the rug if it were feasibe.

[mad_as_he$$]

When all is said and done... Where did the extra leg come from?

That's all I want to know.

[eno_]

Sometimes I think the Government would have swept 9/11 under the rug if it were feasibe.

Until the second plane hit, many news reports were still spinning in the direction of a "tragic accident."

[CaptSkip]

A Federal Government worker, who had witnessed the blast first-hand. "He was approximately five blocks from the building whenever the building went up. He claims that the top of the building went up like a missile going through it. The debris was coming back down when the side of the building blew out. He said third and last, the truck blew up on the street.

I had not heard this account as to THREE.

But I can assure all that at my home here in OKC, there were TWO distinct reports separated by a second or less, and the second was larger. Kinda of a "boom..BOOM!".

[eno_]

That is a good question. I'd guess "FBI files." That's the Clinton's "nuclear option."

So it's up to outsider to tear down the wall of silence.

[doberville]

Hear, hear!

Both sites were demolished WAY too fast for any sort of forensic collection for later examination. WAY too fast.

So, whose posterior was being covered by this?

[CaptSkip]

But I can assure all that at my home here in OKC, there were TWO distinct reports separated by a second or less in time, and the second report was larger. Kinda of a "boom..BOOM!".

[Edit for poor sentence structure.]

[heartwood]

yes. even though he didn't appeal.

[AlbertWang]

my understanding is that you don't mix, you pour. Fill the container with AN, pour in the Fuel Oil.

/had a class on blasting

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

When all is said and done... Where did the extra leg come from?

I have always wondered that myself. To whom does that extra leg belong?

[Leatherneck_MT]

I know this is going to make someone ofer me more tinfoil for my hat, but in light of the fact that mass murderers and other monsters sit on death row for 20 years or more, doesn't it seem odd how fast they executed Timothy McVeigh?

Because he was a political criminal not just a murderer. He was a danger to the establishment in Washington that had to show that if you attack the US Government you will be executed post haste.

This attack on that building was a rebellion, the Govt could not let it stand and would not let it be dragged out.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

The damage that resulted could not have occurred from a van parked outside… I don't care how fancy an explosive was used. What did in that building… was an inside job.

That is correct.

The force of the explosion from the fertilizer bomb would have dimensioned as it went up and out. It would not have sheered off the side of the building from bottom to top like that. There had to have been other explosives planted inside the building to include the upper levels.

[Leatherneck_MT]

But I can assure all that at my home here in OKC, there were TWO distinct reports separated by a second or less in time, and the second report was larger. Kinda of a "boom..BOOM!".

One of the Seismology centers somewhere near there reported 2 seperate shocks 8 seconds apart. The first one being far less than the follow on shock. This was reported very early on on the day of the bombing. By late afternoon that story was completely gone from the mix.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

One of the Seismology centers somewhere near there reported 2 seperate shocks 8 seconds apart. The first one being far less than the follow on shock. This was reported very early on on the day of the bombing. By late afternoon that story was completely gone from the mix.

I remember reading that very same thing.

[MrDem]

Reading Parton's analysis (an expert's expert on explosives), he says the damage to the building was impossible just by the truck bomb. Simply impossible! His analysis that many of the buildings interior pillars had to have charges wrapped on them perfectly explains what the eye witnesses (noted here) saw.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

MrDem,

I have been looking for Parton's analysis but have lost it. That is where I also got my information but am going now on memory. Could you share it please? Thank you. Then again, I could do a Google search, and I will.