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FRANCE WARNS NO PLAN B IF VOTERS REJECT EU CONSTITUTION(is this a threat?)
Tocqueville Connection ^ | 04/16/05

Posted on 04/16/2005 7:59:36 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

But Barnier expressed confidence that the French government could yet change voters ' minds despite new opinion polls confirming that most voters oppose the historic text, due to be put to the vote on May 29.
  
                               

FRANCE WARNS NO PLAN B IF VOTERS REJECT EU CONSTITUTION
Received Saturday, 16 April 2005 09:18:00 GMT

LUXEMBOURG, April 16 (AFP) - French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier warned Saturday that Paris has no plan B if voters reject the EU constitution in a referendum next month, reiterating that a "no" would seriously weaken France.
    But Barnier expressed confidence that the French government could yet change voters' minds despite new opinion polls confirming that most voters oppose the historic text, due to be put to the vote on May 29.
    "It has been clearly explained that if France rejects this constitution, it would be weakened both in terms of its ideas and its interests," he said, speaking on the sidelines of a meeting with his EU counterparts in Luxembourg.
    But he said: "I am confident that in the coming weeks, ahead of May 29, we can make people understand the stakes."
    The constitution, which aims to streamline decision-making in the expanded 25-member European Union, must be ratified by all member states. A rejection in France, one of the EU's largest countries, would effectively kill the treaty.
    Barnier said Paris had no alternative proposals in the case of a French no vote. "We have put everything on the table. There will not be another constitution," he said.
    "There cannot be any other discussions for a very long time, and we will remain with the current treaties and we know that these treaties are unsatisfactory."
    President Jacques Chirac launched a personal effort to persuade voters on French television Thursday night. But two new opinion polls Saturday indicated opposition to the EU constitution had increased to 56 percent of voters.
    The French minister denied that Chirac had miscalculated.
    "I think he wanted himself to make this referendum into a popular vote, because it is a very important text for Europe and for France, and (he wants) every French person to express their view."
    "Every French person must take responsibility. That is the choice on May 29," he added.

http://www.ttc.org/200504160918.j3g9ig607662.htm



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: euconstitution; france; referendum; rejection

1 posted on 04/16/2005 7:59:37 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Just keep scheduling voting days. It worked with Ireland.


2 posted on 04/16/2005 8:00:44 AM PDT by stylin19a (Always remember - don't ever forget - "2 wrongs don't make a right, it's 3 lefts that make a right.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Barnier said Paris had no alternative proposals in the case of a French no vote. "We have put everything on the table. There will not be another constitution," he said.

That should only encourage the no voters.

3 posted on 04/16/2005 8:09:50 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: stylin19a
Ah, well -- can't let democracy get in the way of 'progressive' policies . . . .

After all, how else will the 'progressives' take things away from us for the common good?

4 posted on 04/16/2005 8:11:21 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A real threat would be to cancel the August vacation.


5 posted on 04/16/2005 8:12:24 AM PDT by Semper Paratus (-)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Whine whine, let him take his cheese and pout.


6 posted on 04/16/2005 8:14:32 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: Semper Paratus
Re #5

That will surely lead to a "regime-change." Bush will be welcomed as a hero greater than De Gaulle, when he vanquishes evil Chirac who did away with August vacation.:-)

7 posted on 04/16/2005 8:15:51 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: BenLurkin

Bump. That is the nub of this.


8 posted on 04/16/2005 8:18:22 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Many so-called liberals aren't liberals, they will defend to the DEATH your right to agree with them)
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To: Semper Paratus

So, what they are saying is that the hidden agenda in all this is for France to emerge as the one country with all the power and control over all the others in the EU family.
It's no wonder the "No" vote is so strong. If it were "Yes" it would make France the "Ottawa" of Europe, run by the French just like Ottawa is run by Quebec. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. France would in effect be the dictator of Europe.


9 posted on 04/16/2005 8:20:54 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: TigerLikesRooster

But, but, but couldn't they just keep on being French ?


10 posted on 04/16/2005 8:22:39 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This thing is going to pass, one way or the other.


11 posted on 04/16/2005 8:23:49 AM PDT by Guillermo (Vote for Pedro)
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To: Nathan Zachary

France would in effect be the dictator of Europe
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Well they were never going to get there through war were they.....


12 posted on 04/16/2005 8:25:02 AM PDT by kingsurfer
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To: Guillermo


Is there any doubt? Mugabe is probably Chirac's campaign adviser.

Maybe the UN should be called in to monitor the voting, just to make sure there isn't any corruption...


13 posted on 04/16/2005 8:28:14 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: kingsurfer

LoL! That's for sure.


14 posted on 04/16/2005 8:29:55 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I alwasy thought that france's plan A was surrendering to the EU and Plan B was joining the EU.
15 posted on 04/16/2005 8:31:53 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: Semper Paratus
A real threat would be to cancel the August vacation.

Chirac better be careful when he visits his "Dacha" this summer. Remember what happened to Gorbachev...


16 posted on 04/16/2005 8:32:08 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: TigerLikesRooster

"FRANCE WARNS NO PLAN B IF VOTERS REJECT EU CONSTITUTION"

One vote, one man, ONE TIME. No escape from Brussels.

What a sham.

No wonder they don't like it. The French may be small-minded cowards, but they aren't dumb.


17 posted on 04/16/2005 8:39:01 AM PDT by adam_az (Support the Minute Man Project - http://www.minutemanproject.com/Donations.html)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I fully expect the French people to take the bait. I'm not so sure that the motive is French power, but a "counterweight" to American power (among other things). Fat chance - their socialism will send them sinking in no time. Speaking of socialist......

The socialist have always resorted to genocide in the past. I wonder who will be subjected to their Roman holiday this time? The Jews again?
18 posted on 04/16/2005 8:43:26 AM PDT by Jaysun (I must warn you, I am a black belt in bullshitsu)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
There will not be another constitution

Well, the current proposal is more of a constitution-in-name-only.

Why anyone who reads it would actually vote for its farrago of socialist nonsense is beyond me. I hope that the French people, in an entirely appropriate act of petulant fickleness, do decide to scuttle this document.

The irony of Spain voting for a document that cedes power to the French who reject it, well, that is a European dynamic that I have observed before if never quite understood.

19 posted on 04/16/2005 8:44:21 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If they're not willing to work on a second draft of the Constitution, the only option left is to scare the bejesus out of every French voter. Hence, Chirac pulls out the Wicked US rabbit out of the hat.


20 posted on 04/16/2005 8:48:22 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Nathan Zachary
Your reply is a bit confused. A "no" vote maintains French sovereignity, a "yes" vote surrenders to Brussels---and you think a "no" makes France the dictator of Europe??? A "no" vote is the only way to eviscerate this terrible leviathan of a constitution.

Despite what many FReepers think, a weak, failed Europe is most emphatically NOT in the US' best interest. A strong, vibrant thriving Europe is--as a trading partner, as a counterweight to Chinese nationalism, as another pressure point on Arab oil dominance, as a counterweight to Salafist Islamists... and the way to achieve a Europe which can partner with the US is to encourage a "Europe as common market", not a political entity which ossifies socialism into a constitution. Tempting though Schadenfreude may be, be careful that you don't cut off more than your nose to spite your face.

21 posted on 04/16/2005 8:53:34 AM PDT by austinTparty
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To: hershey

I guess that means the elimination of Iranian nuclear facilities will have to wait until after the vote.


22 posted on 04/16/2005 8:57:17 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Every French person must take responsibility. That is the choice on May 29,"

Imagine, having your future depend on the French taking responsibility. ay-yi-yi.

23 posted on 04/16/2005 8:57:39 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Nathan Zachary
France would in effect be the dictator of Europe.

Only if they learn to speak German and make Berlin the capitol.

24 posted on 04/16/2005 9:09:11 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Two new polls after Chirac's TV-"debate" show an increasing No lead:

Both CSA and Ifop have a 56% vs 44% lead for the NO's. CSAs previous poll had the No in the lead with 55-45, and Ifop 53-47.

The lead is now growing to numbers where it will be almost impossible for the French establishment to cheat. But it is still 6 weeks to the referendum.


25 posted on 04/16/2005 9:16:57 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy
Re #25

I suppose they need really convincing excuse to put off the vote.

26 posted on 04/16/2005 9:23:19 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; iopscusa
I suppose they need really convincing excuse to put off the vote.

Yes, they do.

I have said before that one should be wary about the French foreign policy the closer we get to the referendum. I think the only chance Chirac has is to engineer a major international crisis. If he can argue that it is France (and EU) against the US (or China, or Israel, or...) then maybe he will be able to pull off a win.

And a win is extremely important for him. A loss and he may lose the chance to defend his presidency. If he isn't reelected he will drop his immunity and will probably face a messy corruption trial.

But there is another possibility. He may do a "de Gaulle", and make a complete turn around vis-à-vis EU after a No win. He could stand for a pro-French, anti-EU, anti-globalisation policy, which could possibly give him another period in the Elysee palace.

That would be an interesting development since that could mean a partial breakup of the EU. (snivel, snivel)

27 posted on 04/16/2005 9:36:36 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy
Re #27

So much political capital have been invested in EU by French elites. They have been working on it for decades. If Chirac suddenly turn against EU, I wonder other French elites would put up with him. Wouldn't they turn him in if that happens?

28 posted on 04/16/2005 9:40:41 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Sure , it would be a gamble. But his party (and the whole right) is doing badly in France at the moment. If a "renationalized" Chirac wins traction in some early polls, there may well be a majority of politicians on the right who will support him.

Remember that Front National has about 15% of the national vote. The traditional parties on the right are squeezed by the re-emergent socialists and FN. They need a question that would vitalize their supporters.

The French has only really been in favour of the European unification as long as it 1) protected them against German aggression 2) made France an important player on the world stage, and 3) was economically advantageous.

At the moment it is questionable if the EU gives France any of these advantages.

Germany is not seen as a threat at the moment. With declining birth numbers, aging population, massive unemployment, and the a unreformed East Germany, it is hard to see Germany as a threat in the near future. However, I would guess that French policy would still be directed towards forming a "core" EU, ie Germany, France, Belgium, and maybe the Netherlands. That would probably be an idea that would be supported both by the right and the left.

But of course this may all be pipe-dreams. Chirac may not even consider his continued presidency in danger, even if he loses the referendum...
29 posted on 04/16/2005 10:04:04 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Guillermo
"This thing is going to pass, one way or the other."

France is far too corrupt to let mere democracy interfere with their elite plans.

Regardless of what the French vote for or against, the French government will report that the EU vote passes.

30 posted on 04/16/2005 1:17:34 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Can we 'filibuster' the vote from the U.S.?

Some Euro-Leftists tried to interfere in our November elections...particularly in Ohio.


31 posted on 04/16/2005 2:12:10 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (ATTN. MARXIST RED MSM: I RESENT your "RED STATE" switcheroo using our ELECTORAL MAP as PROPAGANDA!)
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To: ScaniaBoy

SB, thanks for the ping, like your tagline:
Right Wing Research AND Attack


32 posted on 04/16/2005 3:48:07 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All

You know what I wonder if we seeing the end of Chiac political career if EU vote is reject by Frogs


33 posted on 04/16/2005 8:12:22 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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