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1/2 of practicing Jews voted Bush in '04 -(one more piece showing why Dems are losing voters)
RENEW AMERICA.US ^ | APRIL 14, 2005 | WARNER TODD HUSTON

Posted on 04/16/2005 10:11:48 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Quite a claim in that title, isn't it? Anyone who is interested in voting trends and tendencies in the United States electorate is well aware that Jewish Americans usually vote far more often for the Democratic candidate in our presidential elections than they do the Republican. However, a recent survey on Jewish voters in the 2004 election relayed the startling fact that half of American Jews who attend Temple regularly voted for George W. Bush.

This is survey was not made by a Republican either, by the way. The man reporting this finding is Democratic candidate John Kerry's pollster, Mark Mellman who, according to a recent L.A.Times article , reported his study results conducted during the 2004 campaign's final month.

Mellman's study found that Americans of all stripes who attended religious services regularly tended to vote Republican far more often than they voted Democratic. His findings among Jewish voters was not as lopsided as that among Christian voters but still the Jewish vote was split down the middle between GOP and Democrat voters. That split is still an amazing new trend in the Jewish community. In fact, George Bush made advances in every Jewish voter category to one degree or another.

Of course, many in the chattering classes on the left have been yelping about the evil "religious right" dominating the Republican Party for a decade now. But they must have been taken aback by this rise in GOP voters among the left's favorite and most reliable voting block, the US Jewish population.

It is becoming clear that Americans who have a strong religious belief, just about any religious belief, are turning to the Republican Party in greater numbers every year. And several conclusions can be drawn from this statistic.

Religions are generally family oriented. Religions have well structured moral tenets, they know what is right and what is wrong (within their own moral codes). Religions are stable in ideology and steady in deliberation. Religions are steeped in tradition and mindful of historical precedent. Religions also place an emphasis on duty, honesty and self-reliance. The Religious are voters with quintessentially American ideal.

Whereas, over the last 70 years, the bedrock of American citizenry among the religious have voted for the "Party of the people," the Democratic Party, these people are now voting Republican far more often than their former allegiance. This is a sea change in US voter trends. So, it makes one wonder what has changed?

Have American ideals or principles changed? Have those of the GOP radically changed? Or have those of the Democrats changed? No to the first, and yes to the later two would be your answer.

Americans have not changed very much in their basic principles except to tend toward a more even distribution of those ideals and expectations upon more categories of Americans than was extant in past decades. But, both political parties have changed and quite radically, too. The Republicans have evolved from a Party strictly representing the Business Community, and little else, to that of representing the people whereas the Democrats have drifted far away from representing the average American citizen and become a Party of dispirit fringe interests. The Republican's sea change is the only one that has tended toward the current and historical ideas and principles of the average American voter and that is why they are enlarging their voter base every year and why the Democrats, tending to represent radical, fringe groups are losing theirs.

Consequently, religious Americans are increasingly finding themselves uncomfortable and unwelcome among the lunatic fringe in the Democratic Party and Democratic pollster Mellman has proved this true once again.

In light of these facts the question becomes, just what kind of America does the Democratic Party want to see promoted? One which the average citizen has voted to support since time immemorial, or one that is radically different, one pushed by the kinds of extremist, fringe groups that Americans have rejected for over 200 years?

Even Democratic pollster Mellman seems to be confirming that the Democratic party is increasingly out of the mainstream in answer to that question.

Warner Todd Huston is a freelance writer and graphic designer. His work ranges from historical essays to popular culture and has been published in several magazines and on many websites. He is the editor for Publius' Forum website at http://www.publiusforum.blogspot.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bushvictory; christians; conservatives; faithbased; familyoriented; growing; jewishrepublicans; jewishvote; jews; religiousvote; republicans; voters
"The Republican's sea change is the only one that has tended toward the current and historical ideas and principles of the average American voter and that is why they are enlarging their voter base every year and why the Democrats, tending to represent radical, fringe groups are losing theirs."
1 posted on 04/16/2005 10:11:48 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE
Hell's bells, the DNC is a radical fringe group. Those twits made Dean the Scream the head honcho of their screwball organisation.
2 posted on 04/16/2005 10:14:43 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: CHARLITE

Well yeah, John Kerry wanted to give a nation demanding Israel's extermination, Iran, nuclear weapons. Any Jewish person voting against Bush was not very well informed. Or pretty damned stupid. Of course, that statement could pertain to anyone who voted for that a$$.


3 posted on 04/16/2005 10:15:27 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: CHARLITE

The increasing anti-Semitism amongst the Dems will continue to accelerate the departure of Jews from the Dems, which will lead to more anti-Semitism, which will lead to more departures, etc.


4 posted on 04/16/2005 10:18:31 PM PDT by ikka
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To: CHARLITE

We are middle America. The only reason we look far right to the DemocRATS is that they are literally falling off the left edge of the political spectrum.


5 posted on 04/16/2005 10:18:35 PM PDT by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: CHARLITE

Keyword PRACTICING. The secular Jews are heavily leftist.


6 posted on 04/16/2005 10:23:48 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: SteveMcKing

... as are non-practicing Catholics and many Christians. Don't mean to generalize, I'm just commenting on the article.


7 posted on 04/16/2005 10:25:11 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: CHARLITE

On 9-11 the left fully realized the hatred of radical islam towards America, and so decided to align themselves with them. This hatred includes Israel, so Israel, too must be opposed by the left. In this light, why would any religious Jew vote democrat?


8 posted on 04/16/2005 10:25:38 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ( .:: Johannes Paulus Magnus: "Well done, good and faithful servant!" ::.)
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To: CHARLITE
So glad to see it. And the operative word here is PRACTICING Jew - not bogus social/cultural Jews or anyone else who considers themselves Jewish but doesn't demonstrate any commitment to the religion and doesn't accept Jewish values.

I'm glad we're waking up. It's been embarrassing. I hate having the religion represented by a bunch of media/Hollywood/liberal politicians and have people believe that's the true face of Judaism when nothing could be further from the truth.
9 posted on 04/16/2005 10:26:16 PM PDT by SweetPilotofCanuckistan
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To: SteveMcKing
... as are non-practicing Catholics and many Christians. Don't mean to generalize

Nothing at all wrong with ACCURATE generalizations such as yours.

10 posted on 04/16/2005 10:26:33 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ( .:: Johannes Paulus Magnus: "Well done, good and faithful servant!" ::.)
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To: CHARLITE

What is amusing about this is the left's contention that the right wants to exterminate Jews. We don't but their islam buddies do.


11 posted on 04/16/2005 10:28:16 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ( .:: Johannes Paulus Magnus: "Well done, good and faithful servant!" ::.)
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To: CHARLITE

Yes. And the other half worship liberalism, socialism and stupidism.


12 posted on 04/16/2005 10:29:06 PM PDT by Brofholdonow
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To: CHARLITE
Will the liberal elite media be equally paranoid about "extreme religious nuts" when they're Jews? Here's a chance for the liberal media to prove they're even handed and unbiased. Will they call Orthodox Jews the "crazies" like they do the evangelicals? Waiting ... waiting ... waiting...

Of course, many in the chattering classes on the left have been yelping about the evil "religious right" dominating the Republican Party for a decade now. But they must have been taken aback by this rise in GOP voters among the left's favorite and most reliable voting block, the US Jewish population.

13 posted on 04/16/2005 10:33:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (Liberals haven't had a new idea in 40 years.)
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To: CHARLITE
There's only about 6 million jews in the US.
How many of them are voting age ?
Of those that could vote, how many of them did ?
What effect, if any, did they have on the presidential election ?
I'm guessing...not much.
The relevance is, another voting group turned away from it's party. I am also guessing that that is only temorary.
14 posted on 04/16/2005 10:34:49 PM PDT by stylin19a (Always remember - don't ever forget - "2 wrongs don't make a right, it's 3 lefts that make a right.")
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To: softwarecreator
"Of course, that statement could pertain to anyone who voted for that a$$.

My sentiments exactly. I will never understand how anyone could have voted for this empty suit and then gone home to look at themselves in the mirror. They'd have to have viewed a donkey's rear end. I honestly can't say which Democrat candidate was more transparently phony - Gore or Kerry......or the Clintons, for that matter. They were also as false as they come.

15 posted on 04/16/2005 10:36:21 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I lost my car keys.....and now I have to walk everywhere...)
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To: SteveMcKing
"The secular Jews are heavily leftist.

What they don't get is that the rising, deliberate anti-semitism of the radical liberal left also includes THEM! They're Jews, too. The best interests of secular Jews are NOT being served by pro-Arab, pro-PLO liberal Democrats any more than the interests of the black voting block are.

Joe Lieberman seems to be the only liberal Dem who understands what is at stake. Like Zell Miller, Lieberman should bolt that party and come over onto our side. Both of them would be welcomed with open arms.........unlike Jumpin' Jim Jeffords who bolted into "neverland."

16 posted on 04/16/2005 10:40:46 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I lost my car keys.....and now I have to walk everywhere...)
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To: All

It is amazing that people who go to church and are, therefore, interested in morals as an important issue vote Republican, isn't it?

The Dems have no morals. They are the kings of situational ethics.


17 posted on 04/16/2005 10:43:16 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: CHARLITE

If one half of practicing Jews voted (R) then does that mean that at least 60% of Jews are non-practicing if one surmises that all Jews who voted (R) were practicing?

sounds curious especially given that at least some of the Jews who voted (R) had to be non-practicing and then the total number of Jews who are non-practicing would be even higher.

I've known scores of Jews from around the world and while I think they practice less than say Southern Baptists, I don't think that only 1 in 4 or so Jews practices. All I have known at least celebrated holy days and even knew what Purim was.


18 posted on 04/16/2005 10:46:40 PM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!)
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To: CHARLITE
I will never understand how anyone could have voted for this empty suit and then gone home to look at themselves in the mirror.

These sheeple believe the ignorant statements these traitorous scuzz spout. They not only are able to face themselves, they actually put their mugs on polaroids saying how sorry they were. Stupid is as stupid does.

19 posted on 04/16/2005 10:49:41 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
"The Dems have no morals. They are the kings of situational ethics."

Brilliant construction there, Mobile Vulgus! "..kings of situational ethics!" Superb! Outstanding comment!

Char :)

20 posted on 04/16/2005 10:53:41 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I lost my car keys.....and now I have to walk everywhere...)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
It is amazing that people who go to church and are, therefore, interested in morals as an important issue vote Republican, isn't it

What gets me is how, suddenly, being religous is a BAD thing.

How did this happen?

Somehow the left has convinced people that believing in God makes you evil and unfit to be a leader! This used to make you one of the good guys!

This, of course, does not pertain to Islam, since that is NOT a religion. In fact, the left seems to feel that muzzies are the only true and good people left in the world.

21 posted on 04/16/2005 10:55:18 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: stylin19a

The Jewish vote is disproportinately (to your surmisal) important in Florida and maybe Ohio, Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

If NY or Kali or IL or CT were close, it might matter there too.

Those (and increasing AZ) have the largest Jewish populations %-wise.

There are 5.7 million Jews in the US now but that is expected to decline to half that in 3-4 generations given their low birthrate...how odd.


22 posted on 04/16/2005 10:57:57 PM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!)
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To: stylin19a; wardaddy
Jews not only have consitently heavy voter turn-out, but we also donate.
23 posted on 04/16/2005 11:50:44 PM PDT by Yehuda (America: Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: wardaddy

The Jewish vote is not a large factor in Ohio. The ignorant working class in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) is the main Dem constituency in Ohio.


24 posted on 04/16/2005 11:53:09 PM PDT by bigcat32
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To: Yehuda
BTTT!
(((I knew that. :) )))
25 posted on 04/16/2005 11:57:19 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Yehuda

No doubt about that?

What do you think about the projected big drop in US Jewish pop?

I got that from the American Jewish Committee.

We had a discussion around here before 11-04 that highly concentrated Jewish voting blocs in some states could make a difference if the race were close. I though the point valid at the time.


26 posted on 04/16/2005 11:58:09 PM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!)
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To: bigcat32

Actually I found several sources that thought the Jewish vote in Ohio was important....which is why I mentioned it....that and it was such a close race.

http://www.rjchq.org/news.asp?formmode=Detail&ID=691

However, if Ohio is your expertise (it's not mine admittedly) then I defer to your hands on knowledge.

Regards


27 posted on 04/17/2005 12:02:56 AM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!)
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To: onyx

Crossthreading.

Haley should be on JR's poll.


28 posted on 04/17/2005 12:08:16 AM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!)
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To: wardaddy
Yep, that why I voted "OTHER"
Big time prejustice here against anything

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Southern.
29 posted on 04/17/2005 12:10:56 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: CHARLITE
"What they don't get is that the rising, deliberate anti-semitism of the radical liberal left also includes THEM!"

There's a popular lesson that many Jews see in their history, that no matter how patriotic and conformist they were, people will still hated them for being Jewish. (Jews who pledged loyalty to the Nazis met the same fate as those who resisted...) I don't know if that explains their leftward slant or not. I tend to downplay the idea, but some people believe it.

30 posted on 04/17/2005 12:12:01 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: onyx

Yep. I voted other as well.

I could not tell you with even 25% certainty who it will be at this point. They need to start media grooming a few fairly soon.

I'm not sure Hillary will take the Left and I am fairly certain we can beat her if we don't shoot oursleves first over little nothings.

Hillary is an unreconstructed Saul Alinksy socialist. She will not be able to run from that. I blame her daddy, he shoulda hugged her more.


31 posted on 04/17/2005 12:16:06 AM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!)
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To: wardaddy
Apparently, she was a Goldwater girl,
so I wonder if her turnaround wasn't that
New England, all female, leftist "Wellesley"?
32 posted on 04/17/2005 12:18:00 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: SteveMcKing

I believe your surmisal has merit.

I think there are other reasons too....mostly cultural or sorta religious.

Judaism is still messianic searching and dovetails more readily with humanism or the elevation of such.

Tikkun Olam....doing good deeds....anyone can tell you liberals do more humanitarian things than we do....lol...untrue but old conventional wisdom dies hard.

A natural and not completely unmerited distrust of Christianity which is more associated with Conservatism than not today.

lastly, the argument of inherent anti-pluralism for survival's sake is tossed about as well...who knows....that Jews fear absolute majorities is not unfounded and nor is that fear always unmerited.

I don't know where this will go. I expect more Jews to move right by demographics they have no control over and the rise of Islam which is unabashedly genocidal to Jews.

I do know that many Jews who have come right are wonderful additions to Conservatism and eloquent defenders of our beliefs.


33 posted on 04/17/2005 12:23:41 AM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!)
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To: SteveMcKing

You mean,,,, Secular JEWS... J.I.N.O.


34 posted on 04/17/2005 12:24:17 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: onyx

Oh yes she got radicalized in the Northeast. She was an unabashed WWP socialist.

I got the daddy thing from a bio I read how her dad was never as impressed with her achievements as much as with her brothers' which frankly now she has admittedly surpassed.


35 posted on 04/17/2005 12:26:07 AM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!)
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To: stylin19a

Jews tend to vote disproportionate to their numbers in the population. In New York and Florida, two states where I have spent 98% of my life, Jews have the highest voter turnout of any ethnic group. The Jewish vote is all but crucial in places like Florida, New York, New Jersey, and California.


36 posted on 04/17/2005 12:29:56 AM PDT by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: wardaddy
Interesting.
Neither "loving nor warmth" resonate when I think about Hillary.
37 posted on 04/17/2005 12:30:18 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx

Strident and angry.

this is old fashioned but I think a good marriage with some heat woulda made her kinder and gentler.

women need all that same as we do for a more well rounded outlook.


38 posted on 04/17/2005 12:34:06 AM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!)
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To: onyx

,(:>)


39 posted on 04/17/2005 8:01:38 AM PDT by Yehuda (America: Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: wardaddy; Alouette
"What do you think about the projected big drop in US Jewish pop? "

imho, it will start as a big drop in the non-religious Jewish community,and then barring aliyah, will show conservative upswing after a few generations of big-family orthodox.
40 posted on 04/17/2005 8:06:00 AM PDT by Yehuda (America: Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Clemenza
thank you...approx. 1/4 of the Jewish population lives in NY.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop.html

as of 4/2001 there were approx.:
1.6 million Jews in NY - NY went for kerry by 1.3 million
620k in Florida - Fl went for Bush by 380k
420k in New Jersey - NJ went for kerry by 240k
999k in California - CA. went for kerry by 1.2 million
149k in Ohio - OH went for Bush by 111k

I do not know how many of them are of voting age.
I still don't see their significance as a voting bloc in national elections.
41 posted on 04/17/2005 8:10:59 AM PDT by stylin19a (Always remember - don't ever forget - "2 wrongs don't make a right, it's 3 lefts that make a right.")
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To: stylin19a
Again, I wish I had statistics on hand, but it is widely accepted in New York and in Florida that Jews vote in numbers larger than their share of the population. This is why in NYC and its suburbs (to say nothing of Palm Beach and Broward Counties in Florida) Jews are often THE deciding voting block in elections.

If Pubbies would have gotten 35-40% of the Jewish vote in Pennsylvania, we would have won that state. Likewise, New Jersey would bee competative if the GOP could crack the Jewish vote in the Garden State.

New York is a lost cause, as the white gentile vote tends to split. Florida is an exceptional case as the white gentile vote is OVERWHELMINGLY Republican, in voting habits if not registration. Nevertheless, Florida is a swing state in national elections and will be so in the future, so ANYONE who runs for the Presidency will have to do outreach to the "ethnic communities" (whether those be Jews and Carribean blacks in South Florida, Puerto Ricans in Central Florida, etc.).

Interesting tidbit about Ohio: The Jewish population in Cincinatti went for Bush, while those in North Ohio voted for Kerry, albeit not by as large margins in the past.

42 posted on 04/17/2005 8:46:53 AM PDT by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Yehuda

I sure hope so.

I was sort of stunned to see that.

But stats forcasting is a pretty vague science is it not?


43 posted on 04/17/2005 9:43:25 AM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!)
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To: CHARLITE
This is very good news. Losing this block and 10% of the Black vote makes them a minority party for decades. It is hard to lie your way into morality.

Pray for W and Our Troops

44 posted on 04/17/2005 9:50:14 AM PDT by bray (Iraq, freed from Saddamn now Pray for Freedom from Mohammad)
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To: Army Air Corps
"Those twits made Dean the Scream the head honcho of their screwball organisation."

It is absurd when you think about it that they put the man who could not win their very own primaries in charge of the Party. Twits indeed.

45 posted on 04/17/2005 9:53:01 AM PDT by Radix (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.)
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To: Radix
"It is absurd when you think about it that they put the man who could not win their very own primaries in charge of the Party. Twits indeed."

BINGO! This says it all! Talk about self-destructive behavior!

46 posted on 04/17/2005 9:57:16 AM PDT by CHARLITE (I lost my car keys.....and now I have to walk everywhere...)
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To: Clemenza
I appreciate that, but try as I might, i cannot find any actual numbers of Jewish voters. Percentages are meaningless unless you know what the actual numbers are.

Everything I've seen takes into account the full Jewish population. They can't or don't all vote. Assume an average family of 3...with kids under 18....that removes 1/3 from the total Jewish population.
And I really can't assume anything.

The percentages are meaningless.
I still don't see the Jewish vote as meaningful on a national level.

If you can point me to any solid numbers, I'd appreciate i, as I'd really like to know if my opinion\perception is worth spit.
47 posted on 04/17/2005 11:05:55 AM PDT by stylin19a (Always remember - don't ever forget - "2 wrongs don't make a right, it's 3 lefts that make a right.")
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To: SteveMcKing
Keyword PRACTICING. The secular Jews are heavily leftist.

The more Liberal and/or secular Jews are inter-marrying with non-Jews at rate that will lead them to extinction as an idetifiable group in a few generations.

Will Your Grandchildren Be Jews?

48 posted on 04/17/2005 11:13:39 AM PDT by Polybius
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