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Prophecy points to "Olive" Pope
The Telegraph Calcutta India and Reuters ^ | April 11, 2005

Posted on 04/17/2005 12:39:43 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
I've read history for years, because it was my undergraduate major -- and I hope with humility. But it is the historian's duty to point out when people get off base. And the near-worship of Nostradamus is a case in point. Far too many people believe everything they read about him, but many of the books and TV specials that have been produced are based in speculation and outright fiction and cater to the credulous. When you look at the documented facts from a serious historian who is not flogging the occult aspect of the man, it's clear that the sensational press has had a profound effect on the popular mind.

There is no point in confusing credulity with faith. And I am not ridiculing Nostradamus (in fact I was careful to point out that his ideas about sanitation and fresh air were ahead of his time, and probably helped his patients.) But the claims circulating are so preposterous and overreaching that it's hard to take them seriously.

And it is not a "known fact" that his herbal preparations cured anyone. Retrospective medical history is a popular area for historians, but at this distance it's impossible to say whether any herbal remedy had the slightest effect. My own opinion is that the cleanliness, disposing of corpses, and fresh air he advocated reduced the flea host population and secondary infection. That's a good thing, and the citizens of Aix gave him a testimonial (and I hope a nice gift with some monetary value). His own wife and children, however, died of the plague despite his remedies.

On a more serious note, if you want to believe in alchemy and magic, that's your business, but the Church disapproves. Mysticism is another matter, but that's dangerous ground for non-saints to tread. It's too easy to shade over into the magical and demonic.

101 posted on 04/17/2005 7:05:00 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Paulus Invictus
Tin foil olives?

Some olives are green. Some olives are black.

102 posted on 04/17/2005 7:08:15 PM PDT by albertp (Malice in Blunderland, The Wizard of Odd, Gullible's Troubles! Steal the wealth, spread the poverty.)
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To: Northern Yankee

What does olive Pope have to do with Marian component?


103 posted on 04/17/2005 7:12:29 PM PDT by fatima
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To: AnAmericanMother

Alchemy is the forerunner of modern chemistry.

Again, you have no real knowledge of which you claim. I don't need a new convert to the Novus Ordo to "teach" me what the Church teaches, and what you know about mysticism as a new Catholic could fit into a thimble. Concentrate on your own progression rather than critiquing that of others.

You are in over your head. Stop now before you embarrass yourself further.


104 posted on 04/17/2005 7:22:04 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Fred

Good guess Fred-Wasn't the Holy Father there for a visit?


105 posted on 04/17/2005 7:25:18 PM PDT by fatima
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To: fatima
What does olive Pope have to do with Marian component?

I don't know... I heard them speak of this on Relevant Radio (Catholic Radio) last week, and caught the end of the piece.

Your guess is as good as mine.

106 posted on 04/18/2005 3:59:30 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs a soldier)
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To: LizardQueen
Cardinal Lustiger from France was born Jewish, as I recall, and converted.

That is my understanding as well. I wonder if it would piss off the Muslims? :)

107 posted on 04/18/2005 4:07:07 AM PDT by Diva
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To: NYer
The most famous and best known prophecies about the popes are those attributed to St. Malachy.

Interesting. Thanks. I've never heard of St. Malachy.

It seems like we're getting close to the end. Didn't Garabandal predict this too?

108 posted on 04/18/2005 4:38:20 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
I've never heard of St. Malachy.

St. Malachy is real. He is a Saint, and I hope he will pray for us for discernment. The "prophecies" attributed to him are most likely a hoax.

I used to follow Garabandal as well. In the late 90s I was made aware of this: Statement of Jose Vilaplana, Bishop of Santander
109 posted on 04/18/2005 5:24:58 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: TheOtherOne

Isn't the cardinal of France of Jewish origin who converted to Catholicism?


110 posted on 04/18/2005 5:40:14 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
We're not talking about the Magisterium, we're talking about the study of history, and your support (if any) for your claims with regard to Mr. Nostradamus.

You show me ONE pronouncement by the Church that this man was a saint, a blessed, or even adhering to the Church's doctrines in what he said and did, and I will concede that we are having a religious discussion and not a historical one. (Since he was declared a heretic and that declaration to my knowledge was never revoked, you're probably going to have a hard time finding any evidence.)

In the meantime, your framing this as a religious/doctrinal issue in order to assert that (as a relatively recent convert to Catholicism) I have no right to an opinion, is simply an attempt to change the subject and an ad hominem attack. I have not attacked you personally or questioned your scholarly credentials, so I would appreciate your returning the favor and sticking to the issue at hand.

Do you have any documented support for your claims?

111 posted on 04/18/2005 6:11:24 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: NYer

Bump for later...


112 posted on 04/18/2005 6:13:37 AM PDT by Chief Inspector Clouseau
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To: AnAmericanMother

Michel de Notre-Dame, the "National Enquirer" of his time. :-)


113 posted on 04/18/2005 7:17:18 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (If this isn't the End Times it certainly is a reasonable facsimile...)
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To: paleocon patriarch

Clever! That was my thought as well...


114 posted on 04/18/2005 7:24:15 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (If this isn't the End Times it certainly is a reasonable facsimile...)
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To: Eternally-Optimistic
Remember that a Pope does not have to be a Cardinal. He could be a Bishop, priest, or layman.

I remember reading something about them having to be a Bishop, but that they could simultaneously be ordained Bishop and Pope. I am not sure if that is the way it works.

For what it is worth, I had a dream last week that Jean-Baptiste Gurion became Pope. He is the Benedictine Bishop of Jerusalem.

115 posted on 04/18/2005 7:56:04 AM PDT by Armando Guerra
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To: Eternally-Optimistic
Remember that a Pope does not have to be a Cardinal. He could be a Bishop, priest, or layman.

I remember reading something about them having to be a Bishop, but that they could simultaneously be ordained Bishop and Pope. I am not sure if that is the way it works.

For what it is worth, I had a dream last week that Jean-Baptiste Gurion became Pope. He is the Benedictine Bishop of Jerusalem.

116 posted on 04/18/2005 7:56:05 AM PDT by Armando Guerra
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To: Armando Guerra; Eternally-Optimistic
Any male may be Pope. He must be baptized. If he is not a Bishop, or Priest he is immediately ordained. I was told if he is married, his wife would then live in a convent, but I don't have a reference for this.
117 posted on 04/18/2005 12:46:58 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Armando Guerra
For what it is worth, I had a dream last week that Jean-Baptiste Gurion became Pope.

That's quite a dream to have ..... what did you eat!!!?!??

118 posted on 04/18/2005 3:50:01 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: NYer
Malachy-watchers had long speculated the “Olive” Pope would come from the Order of Saint Benedict, a branch of which is known as the Olivetans.

The Olivetans are not a branch of the Benedictines.

119 posted on 04/19/2005 1:15:39 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: NYer
Malachy-watchers had long speculated the “Olive” Pope would come from the Order of Saint Benedict, a branch of which is known as the Olivetans.

The Olivetans are not a branch of the Benedictines.

120 posted on 04/19/2005 1:19:21 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: JohnnyZ
what did you eat!!!?!??

Salmon with capers and OLIVES.

Actually, I had been reading about the Malachy prophecies and looked up a list of Benedictine Cardinals and Bishops. That happened to be the name that popped up in my dream. I don't put much into it, although the last time there was a conclave I also had a dream that the new Pope was not Italian and had taken the name John Paul II. I mentioned it to my mom (I was in junior high then) the next morning. She still remembers that.

121 posted on 04/19/2005 7:53:26 AM PDT by Armando Guerra
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To: NYer

So Ratzinger the one?


122 posted on 04/19/2005 10:14:08 AM PDT by stevio (Let Freedom Ring!)
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To: NYer
Malachy-watchers had long speculated the “Olive” Pope
would come from the Order of Saint Benedict


Pope Benedict XVI
123 posted on 04/19/2005 11:12:52 AM PDT by evets (God bless President Bush and VP Cheney)
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To: stevio; evets; Convert from ECUSA
So Ratzinger the one?

According to this article, Ratizinger is the LAST pope!

THE POPE'S FUNERAL AND THE MALACHY PROPHECY

124 posted on 04/19/2005 12:20:08 PM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: NYer
Those Christians who believe Antichrist will be the Pope will see a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

I only skimmed the article but, are they saying that Ratzinger is the Anti-Christ?

125 posted on 04/19/2005 12:29:41 PM PDT by stevio (Let Freedom Ring!)
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To: stevio
I only skimmed the article but, are they saying that Ratzinger is the Anti-Christ?

No! Okay ... read this.

RATZINGER APPEARS TO FULFILL MALACHY PROPHECY

126 posted on 04/19/2005 12:36:21 PM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: NYer

In the article it says he might be of Middle Eastern origin. There some strange people that say that many people of German descent are part of the lost tribes of Israel, Gad and Asher.


128 posted on 04/19/2005 8:14:18 PM PDT by mongrel
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To: NYer
66 John Paul II (1978-2005) 110 De labore Solis
(of the eclipse of the sun, or from the labour of the sun)
Hist.: Karol Wojtyla was born on May 18, 1920 during a solar eclipse. He also comes from behind the former Iron Curtain (the East, where the Sun rises). He might also be seen to be the fruit of the intercession of the Woman Clothed with the Sun labouring in Revelation 12 (because of his devotion to the Virgin Mary). His Funeral occurred on 8 April, 2005 when there was a solar eclipse visible in the Americas.
267 Benedict XVI (2005-) 111 Gloria olivæ
The Benedictine order traditionally said this Pope would come from their order, since a branch of the Benedictine order is called the Olivetans. St Benedict is said to have prophesied that before the end of the world, a member of his order would be Pope and would triumphantly lead the Church in its fight against evil. While the Holy Father chose the name "Benedict", this does not seem enough to fulfil the prophecy. Nor is it clear how Benedict XVI (a Bavarian) is "Glory of the Olives". Since he is said to have remarked in the Conclave after saying he would take the name Benedict that it was partly to honour Benedict XV, a pope of peace and reconciliation, perhaps Benedict XVI will be a peacemaker in the Church or in the World, and thus carry the olive branch.
      In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremêdus judicabit populum suum. Finis.
(In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)

129 posted on 02/27/2011 5:31:54 PM PST by Coleus (Adult Stem Cells Work, there is NO Need to Harvest Babies for Their Body Parts!)
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