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Prophecy points to "Olive" Pope
The Telegraph Calcutta India and Reuters ^ | April 11, 2005

Posted on 04/17/2005 12:39:43 AM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer
Olive Pope?


51 posted on 04/17/2005 8:43:00 AM PDT by JOE6PAK ("Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.")
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To: NewCenturions
John Paul II was called "Mary's Pope". It would be great if the next Pope was also very openly devoted to her.

Agree whole heartedly!

52 posted on 04/17/2005 8:46:58 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs a soldier)
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To: Northern Yankee

Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum, benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Jesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.


53 posted on 04/17/2005 8:48:32 AM PDT by JOE6PAK ("Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.")
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To: JOE6PAK

Amen...


54 posted on 04/17/2005 8:50:42 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs a soldier)
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To: NYer

Tin foil olives?


55 posted on 04/17/2005 9:00:00 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Flux Capacitor

ripe or otherwise?


56 posted on 04/17/2005 9:01:30 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Advanced Directive -- don't step on my blue suede shoes.)
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To: NYer
Peter the Roman

Jimmy the Greek's little brother.

57 posted on 04/17/2005 9:07:47 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: NYer

Or, the last passage may be a forgery. It is very different than the other passages, and completely unrelated in style. Aside from Pope John Paul II's uncanny description, most seem preposterous stretches.


58 posted on 04/17/2005 10:06:54 AM PDT by dangus
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To: JOE6PAK

Do you remember the one where Father Guido Sarducci went to the convention to nominate the Pope, and came home with all the campaign buttons in Latin?

It was better than "Find the Pope in the pizza" but I never see that one.


59 posted on 04/17/2005 10:31:07 AM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: NYer
The Jesuits are famous for bringing the Olives to the New World. This could be an indicator for the Cardinal from Argentina, who is a Jesuit and his family is from Italy.

Bergoglio, S.J. Jorge Mario
Order in College: Cardinal Priest
With Title: S. Roberto Bellarmino
Native Country: Argentina
Appointed by: John Paul II on 21 February 2001
Ecclesiastical Office: Archbishop of Buenos Aires
Papal Elector: Eligible; Ineligible on 17 December 2016

Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, S.J., was born on December 17, 1936, in Buenos Aires, Argentina. He was ordained a priest for the Jesuit community on December 13, 1969. He served as novice master in the Theological Faculty of San Miguel. From 1973 to 1979, he served as the Jesuit provincial for Argentina. From 1980 to 1986, he was rector of the Philosophical and Theological Faculty of San Miguel. He completed his doctoral dissertation in Germany and served as confessor and spiritual director in Córdoba. On May 20, 1992, he was appointed titular bishop of Auca and auxiliary bishop of Buenos Aires, and was consecrated on June 27 1992. On June 3, 1997, he was appointed coadjutor archbishop of Buenos Aires, and on February 28, 1998, he succeeded as bishop of Buenos Aires. He also serves as Ordinary for Eastern-Rite faithful in Argentina who lack their own ordinary, and he serves as second vice-president of the Argentine Episcopal Conference. He was created a cardinal on February 21, 2001. His titular church is St. Robert Bellarmine. He continues to serve as Archbishop of Buenos Aires. In the Roman Curia, he serves in the Congregation for the Discipline of the Sacraments, the Congregation for the Clergy, the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, and in the Council of the Family.

60 posted on 04/17/2005 10:40:50 AM PDT by Fred
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To: AnAmericanMother

"The clincher for me is that the list LEAVES OUT some of the antipopes . . . the easy way to make a sequential list "come out right" is to monkey around with the order."

You are, in my opinion, very right. Since Vatican II I'm pretty sure there have been a number of self-proclaimed "Popes," so therefore, anti-popes. Then, we must be consistent, and add them: so, that means the world must have already ended, and we all missed the bus.

All I can say: prophecy can be sketchy, so let's all just approach it prayerfully.


61 posted on 04/17/2005 11:13:23 AM PDT by tlRCta (St. Thomas More, Pray for Us! St. John Fisher, Pray for Us!)
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To: tlRCta

Let me clarify; in my post I was not as clear as I should have been.

By "sketchy" I do not mean people sent by God have lied, told half-truths, etc; I mean there are charlatans who have lied, but their "prophecies" have still been propagated and still muddy the waters, so to speak. This is what makes the study of prophecy "sketchy" sometimes.

Also, I don't deny that St. Malachy was holy, but I am suspicious of this list.


62 posted on 04/17/2005 11:20:37 AM PDT by tlRCta (St. Thomas More, Pray for Us! St. John Fisher, Pray for Us!)
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To: sticker

Well, Nostradamus did mention Hister....Hitler...that is no coincidence.

Malachy has been remarkably accurate.


63 posted on 04/17/2005 11:28:17 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: NYer

What is the olive connection? Something with Lebanon?


64 posted on 04/17/2005 11:34:51 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: tlRCta
No, the escape clause that's always been touted by the Malachites is that the list does NOT say that there are no popes between "the Glory of the Olive" and "Peter the Roman."

They'll keep pointing that out as long as the world fails to end on schedule . . .

We know not the day nor the hour.

65 posted on 04/17/2005 12:06:37 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: rwfromkansas
It's a total and complete coincidence.

"Hister" is the ancient name for the Danube River.

Nobody ever tells you about all the "prophecies" by Michel de Notre-Dame that were just flat wrong. Like the one in which he predicted prosperity for the King of France - who died before the book went to press . . . oops. But by ignoring the misses and touting the hits (or even the near-hits, or stuff that's just arguably a semi-hit, like the "Hister" business), everybody makes him sound like a prophet.

66 posted on 04/17/2005 12:09:09 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: k2blader
The "glory of the olive"? Hmm..

Sounds like another Italian to me.


67 posted on 04/17/2005 12:10:19 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: AnAmericanMother

Interesting. Thanks for the info.


68 posted on 04/17/2005 12:27:05 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I guess it is easy to want to believe.


69 posted on 04/17/2005 12:27:41 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: rwfromkansas

Prophecy can be very difficult to decipher, especially if it is heavily coded (think Revelations). It comes through the filter of the individual which must be taken into account. Early on some of the Church Fathers dismissed St. John's book but it made it into the final canon nonetheless.

End result, prophecy can only be interpreted after the fact. Some people are into it, some people aren't. Nostradamus and St. Malachy have been wrongfully maligned for centuries.


70 posted on 04/17/2005 12:39:37 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: NYer
How DARE the Catholic Encyclopedia give credence to these prophecies?!? Everyone knows they are a hoax! (/sarcasm)
71 posted on 04/17/2005 12:49:35 PM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel ( Theresa Marie Schindler, Martyr for the Gospel of Life, pray for us. )
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To: tlRCta

Prayer always has the ability to change things.


72 posted on 04/17/2005 12:55:05 PM PDT by Jaded (My sheeple, my sheeple....)
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To: NYer

Thank you for the list. My Italian father's side of the family are related to Martin V. We go way back...sw


73 posted on 04/17/2005 1:04:48 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (The SBR Rules)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Not Cardinal Stickler. Also, at age 94, he is well past what could be considered "optimal" age.

STICKLER Alfons Maria
Second of 12 children, Cardinal Stickler was born in Neunkirchen, near Vienna, Austria, on August 23, 1910. He student of Salesians, he entered the Salesian novitiate in Germany, professing his first vows on August 15, 1928. He continued his studies in Rome, and was ordained on March 27, 1937. He finished his degree in Canon Law in 1940 and became a professor at the Salesian University, first in Turin and then, from 1957, in Rome. From 1958 to 1966 he was Rector of the University. In 1971, Stickler was appointed Prefect of the Vatican Library; he is credited with the construction of the underground depository where the ancient manuscripts are stored. He served as an expert at Vatican II and as Librarian and Archivist of Holy Roman Church between May 27, 1985, and July 1, 1988. On September 8, 1983 he was named Archbishop with personal title to the titular Church of Bolsena. John Paul II then elevated him to the cardinalate during the Consistory of May 25, 1985.

74 posted on 04/17/2005 1:45:03 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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To: TheOtherOne

Well Look at it this way A Jewish Man saved the entire world from eternal death...


75 posted on 04/17/2005 1:49:08 PM PDT by missyme (Don't let the door hit ya in the ?)
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To: k2blader
The "glory of the olive"? Hmm.....

Make that a Vodka Martini, shaken not stirred.....

76 posted on 04/17/2005 1:50:56 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: NYer

Ole Martini McKennedy may make it at last?


77 posted on 04/17/2005 2:11:47 PM PDT by Waco
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To: Flux Capacitor

If olive oil comes from pressed olives, and corn oil comes from pressed corn . . . . where does baby oil come from?

78 posted on 04/17/2005 2:14:53 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: NYer
De Gloria Olivae

Cardinal Arinze


79 posted on 04/17/2005 2:42:02 PM PDT by paleocon patriarch ("Never attribute to a conspiracy that which can be explained by incompetence.")
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To: rdl6989; All; NYer; Salvation

Good G-D do know person be strong!!!Thank you all I do feel we do will know new Papiez 20 April 2005 I do not know this is not important this is important be strong pray G-D do will help thank you all


80 posted on 04/17/2005 2:53:51 PM PDT by anonymoussierra ("Et iube me venire ad te, ut cum Sanctis tuis laudem te in saecula saeculorum. Amen."Totus Tuus!!!!)
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To: Jaded; All

"Prayer always has the ability to change things."Thank you"Jaded"


81 posted on 04/17/2005 2:55:58 PM PDT by anonymoussierra ("Et iube me venire ad te, ut cum Sanctis tuis laudem te in saecula saeculorum. Amen."Totus Tuus!!!!)
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To: NYer

Bump


82 posted on 04/17/2005 2:56:06 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: AnAmericanMother

"We know not the day nor the hour."

That deserves to be repeated (although, I can't remember the exact verse from which that is taken). All the talk surrounding the Malachite list strikes me too much as people trying to guess the "day [and] the hour."


83 posted on 04/17/2005 3:12:40 PM PDT by tlRCta (St. Thomas More, Pray for Us! St. John Fisher, Pray for Us!)
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To: rwfromkansas
Stuff that makes you go "hmmmm . . . " is always fun.

But you can't take it too seriously.

84 posted on 04/17/2005 3:21:54 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Polybius

Pope Olive Oyl---Popeye would be upset if this happened.


85 posted on 04/17/2005 3:46:23 PM PDT by GOPologist
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To: NYer
One of the things that makes me skeptical about this prophecy is that I do not see where the Vatican itself is mentioned as being destroyed. Does it say that somewhere that I missed?

The Vatican is not on one of the "seven hills of Rome" that have been referred to throughout history .

The Seven Hills of Rome are east of the Tiber and form the the original city that was (by tradition) to have been founded by Romulus on the Palatine Hill (Collis Palatinus). The other six of the Seven Hills of Rome are the Aventine Hill (Collis Aventinus), the Capitoline Hill (Collis Capitolinus), the Quirinal Hill (Collis Quirinalis), the Viminal Hill (Collis Viminalis), the Esquiline Hill (Collis Esquilinus), and the Caelian Hill (Collis Caelius).

The now-famous Vatican Hill (Collis Vaticanus) is west of the Tiber and is not one of those Seven Hills of Rome. We know, of course, that St. Peter was martyred there (at what is now the Vatican). But, then it was just a hill outside the city. Emperor Nero's circus was at the bottom but Caligula had the circus built and a heliopolis obelisk erected there. Peter was entombed on the hill and the early Christians eventually received permission to mark the spot. Then the Basilica was built there.

Also there are other cities such as Rio de Janeiro and the coastal city of Trivandrum in India, that have been built on seven hills. So, I am not sure the reference to a city of "seven hills," actually means Rome, or that the prophecy means the Vatican will be destroyed.

Are there other references that say this?

86 posted on 04/17/2005 4:19:44 PM PDT by CitizenM ("Rise, let us be on our way" - Pope John Paul, II (noted in Ratzinger's Homily@ PJPII's Requiem ))
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To: rwfromkansas

"Well, Nostradamus did mention Hister....Hitler...that is no coincidence."

Why didn't he just say Hitler?


87 posted on 04/17/2005 4:49:53 PM PDT by sticker
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To: NYer

Pope Jackie Mason? Oy vey.

Oh the lines that come to mind.


88 posted on 04/17/2005 4:51:59 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: NYer

I've always wondered if the next Pope might be some kind of peacemaker. The olive branch is the traditional Christian symbol of peace and healing. If the pope dedicates his role to ending wars and bringing opposing nations and people together, he may earn the moniker "Glory of the Olives".


89 posted on 04/17/2005 5:03:28 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: Arthalion

bump.


90 posted on 04/17/2005 5:16:14 PM PDT by piperpilot
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To: Dave Burns

I think the next pope will be Italian.


91 posted on 04/17/2005 5:20:05 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Arthalion

Peace in the Middle East perhaps?


92 posted on 04/17/2005 5:24:47 PM PDT by virgil
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To: virgil

Heh, if he can bring the middle eastern nations together peacefully, then his olive branches would be glorious indeed :-)


93 posted on 04/17/2005 5:34:25 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: sticker
Cause he didn't mean Hitler, he meant Hister. The Danube River.

See post 66. (Any connection with the Zip Code of the Beast is purely coincidental.)

The only reason I can see for the continuing popularity of that colossal fraud Nostradamus is the fact that people continue to make money off of breathless books and TV specials about his "prophecies". But he ain't gettin' any royalties . . .

94 posted on 04/17/2005 5:36:37 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I am waiting for the one were Nostradamus explains the Bermuda
Triangle. Wonder what happens when one "seer"'s prediction conflicts with anther "seer"'s?
95 posted on 04/17/2005 5:43:39 PM PDT by sticker
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To: AnAmericanMother
But you can't take it too seriously.

Like Our Lady of Fatima? You can't take that silly prophecy stuff too seriously.

Nostradamus was an advisor to kings and a physician who saved many lives with his herbal remedies during the Plague. It's one thing to question his prophecies but quite another to bash an historical Catholic who did much good in the world.

96 posted on 04/17/2005 6:00:19 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: NYer; Siobhan; Maeve; sandyeggo; JustPiper

Have you seen this yet?

http://www.spiritdaily.com/garabandalwarning.htm


97 posted on 04/17/2005 6:18:14 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: television is just wrong

I never heard of any connection between Judaism and the mother of Pope John Paul II. His "earthly Mother" was from Lithuania and was a very devout Catholic. Fr. Malachy Martin's book, "The Keys To This Blood" had quite a bit about JPII's life and I do not recall anything said about the mother being Jewish. I think I have the name of the book correct. I read it a long time ago.

On the other hand, JPII's heavenly mother was the Blessed Virgin Mary. Now, she really does have a Jewish connection!


98 posted on 04/17/2005 6:19:33 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
When the Church declares the "prophecies" of Nostradamus authentic and inspired (and there's about as much chance of that as there is of my being made Pope next week), THEN we can compare him to the apparition of Our Lady at Fatima. NOT before.

Like many doctors of his era, he was essentially a confidence man, working on part common sense, part astrology, part goofy alchemistic theories, and part what he thought was magic. (Did you know that he wrote his "prophecies" while breathing in intoxicating herbs and sitting on a tripod like the Pythian Oracle?)

There isn't an herbal remedy that will have the least effect on the plague. In the days before antibiotics, Yersinia pestis either killed you or it didn't. Nostradamus was ahead of his time as far as sanitation and fresh air as a cure for the plague, and the citizens of Aix were appropriately grateful, but he was not the only person who was thinking along these lines. So was honest old Nick Culpeper. Kipling of course knew all about it:

EXCELLENT herbs had our fathers of old—
Excellent herbs to ease their pain—
Alexanders and Marigold,
Eyebright, Orris, and Elecampane.
Basil, Rocket, Valerian, Rue,
(Almost singing themselves they run)
Vervain, Dittany, Call-me-to-you—
Cowslip, Melilot, Rose of the Sun.
Anything green that grew out of the mould
Was an excellent herb to our fathers of old.

Wonderful tales had our fathers of old
Wonderful tales of the herbs and the stars—
The Sun was Lord of the Marigold,
Basil and Rocket belonged to Mars.
Pat as a sum in division it goes—
(Every herb had a planet bespoke)—
Who but Venus should govern the Rose?
Who but Jupiter own the Oak?
Simply and gravely the facts are told
In the wonderful books of our fathers of old.

Wonderful little, when all is said,
Wonderful little our fathers knew.
Half their remedies cured you dead—
Most of their teaching was quite untrue—
“Look at the stars when a patient is ill,
(Dirt has nothing to do with disease,)
Bleed and blister as much as you will,
Blister and bleed him as oft as you please.”
Whence enormous and manifold
Errors were made by our fathers of old.

Yet when the sickness was sore in the land,
And neither planets nor herbs assuaged,
They took their lives in their lancet-hand
And, oh, what a wonderful war they waged!
Yes, when the crosses were chalked on the door—
(Yes, when the terrible dead-cart rolled,)
Excellent courage our fathers bore—
Excellent heart had our fathers of old.
None too learned, but nobly bold
Into the fight went our fathers of old.

If it be certain, as Galen says—
And sage Hippocrates holds as much—
“That those afflicted by doubts and dismays
Are mightily helped by a dead man’s touch,”
Then, be good to us, stars above!
Then, be good to us, herbs below!
We are afflicted by what we can prove,
We are distracted by what we know—
So—ah, so!
Down from your heaven or up from your mould,
Send us the hearts of our fathers of old!

99 posted on 04/17/2005 6:20:00 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother

You are positively wrong but at this point I don't think you are objective enough to admit it. You ridicule things of which you have no understanding.

It is a known fact Nostradamus created herbal preps which saved many people. Modern medicine didn't come into existence out of nowhere. Herbalism was used to effectively treat people for centuries. Modern medicine is finding cures today in old approaches to disease.

The ancient Greeks, Hindus and Catholic saints were quite well versed in mysticism and alchemy. If you read history with a little humility you might learn you don't have all the answers.


100 posted on 04/17/2005 6:35:57 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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