When the world faced its greatest crisis, he refused to reveal his plans to take America to war.

The History Channel ^ | April 17, 2005 | The History Channel

[Bon mots]

Don't forget the Ponzi Scheme known as "Social Security".

[Publius6961]

Don't forget the Ponzi Scheme known as "Social Security".

Eventually devolving into the ultimate socialist tool or unlimited welfare by another name, whatever fits.

[theFIRMbss]

>Are you serious?

Flushed out a gaggle
of one-sentence-posters! Now
you know who you are,

you can stop wasting
the forum's time with thought-less,
content-less, point-less

one-sentence postings!
The forum's been full of it
lately. Try stopping.

[AmishDude]

Now that is rich. The first time I have been accused of being too brief. Look! Two sentences. No, three (or is it four). Wait, is this five? Or maybe six. Now I'm confused.

[calex59]

To start with, FDR was evil. He did a lot of illegal things during the war. We all know what they are so I won't list them.

One of the worst things he did was almost cost us the war in the Pacific because he refused to admit that our interest lay there and not in Europe. He sent most war materials to Europe in the early days of the war and left the guys in the Pacific hanging, Guadalcanal is a case in point.

He had his head shoved so far up Churchill's butt that he couldn't see daylight. The war in Europe would never have happened if England and France would have shown some guts in the beggining and stood up to Hitler.

Even so, the English would have won it without our help, because Russia would have beaten Germany eventually and the English would have been able to land in France after Germany was beaten down a little more by Russia. We could have stayed out of the European war altogether and ended the Pacific war sooner, but FDR did things his, illegal, way and screwed the US in the process and we are still paying for his blunders and stupid social programs.

[snowsislander]

Pearl Harbor ; stacking the Supreme Court ; dirtiest of dirty machine politics ; illegal price controls and the unbounded expansion of government ; higher taxes ; partially responsible for destruction of the gold standard and replacement of sound currency with fiat currency ; lengthened the depression by his tax policies.

I would also add FDR's outrageous, outright confiscation of private citizens' gold as one more item on his list of infamies.

It's clear what FDR thought of the Constitution, and it really is a wonder that FDR just didn't declare it "inoperative."

[Always Right]

As bad as FDR was, he was not half the socialist Lyndon Johnson was.

[KenmcG414]

FDR did the right thing and probably saved lives by doing it. He got praise from the media becuase he was a Dem. Can you imagine if he was Republican? The media would of had a field day with him.

[ikka]

Yeah, well, everyone knows about THAT scam already ...

[Sam the Sham]

This thread seems to bring out the paleo nutcases.

1. No America. No D-Day. Period. Only American money, numbers, and munitions made that possible. By itself, Britain could only manage a Dieppe, a Crete, or a Narvik.

2. No interest in Europe ? Had Hitler won the first flag on the moon would have had a swastika on it. Germany would have been a far more powerful geopolitical rival than the Soviet Union ever was.

3. Cost us the war in the Pacific ? More bilge. Japan simply did not have the resource or industrial base to stay abreast of American production. Or even close. America outproduced Japan navally by a factor of 16 to 1. Japan had noplace to go but down. Germany, on the other hand, had a very powerful industrial economy and a magnificent army that had to be collapsed from both sides to be beaten.

[Paulus Invictus]

You forgot LBJ, the prime socialist/RAT who had affairs in the Oval Office too, just like Clintoon, the serial rapist.

[Paulus Invictus]

Not really! Look at the RATs in Congress claiming that SS is being eliminated. Many senior cits think that SS is sacrosanct and must not be touched. The cursed AARP is actively lobbying (and they are a huge lobby) against any efforts to change SS.

[MEGoody]

It would have been nice if the nazis had lost power due to internal pressure. But it wasn't going to happen quickly. What would the acceptable limits of innocent people murdered and countries taken over while we waited for 'internal pressure' to work its magic?

[Ditto]

"... dirtiest of dirty machine politics ; illegal price controls and the unbounded expansion of government ; higher taxes ; partially responsible for destruction of the gold standard and replacement of sound currency with fiat currency ; lengthened the depression by his tax policies.",

Not defending FDR, but the above could fit Nixon pretty well too --- maybe even better.

[theFIRMbss]

>What would the acceptable limits of innocent people murdered and countries taken over while we waited for 'internal pressure' to work its magic?

Well, the Soviets
killed more people than Hitler,
and we let them fall

through economics --
took, what, seventy-some years?!
I've always wondered,

if FDR was
open to war, then why not
send in black op types

in the late 30s
and kill Hitler and the scum
who supported him,

and leave Germany
intact -- let the Nazis rule,
just not the bad ones.

I mean, the country
had Zeppelins criss-crossing
the oceans, they had

possible the most
advanced science and craftsmen
on the whole planet.

That's a lot to smash
cause a cadre of mad men
somehow came to power.

[MEGoody]

"Well, the Soviets killed more people than Hitler, and we let them fall"

Yes, because attacking Russia would have been to launch a nuclear war, which would have destroyed the world.

"if FDR was open to war, then why not send in black op types in the late 30s and kill Hitler and the scum who supported him"

In the late 30s, no one could have predicted what Hitler would be doing in the 40s. I'm not opposed to assassinations of despots, but I don't think we should take to doing so based on prophetic visions of what that individual might do in the future.

[KevinDavis]

I agree with you there. We had to get involved.. Doing nothing means we would have more serious problems in future..