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Iranian Alert - April 18, 2005 - 'Kissinger: Nuclear Iran could end civilization"
Regime Change Iran ^ | 4/18/05 | freedom44

Posted on 04/17/2005 9:56:52 PM PDT by freedom44


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If Iran succeeds in building nuclear weapons, it could touch off an arms race that leads to the end of civilization, Henry Kissinger warned yesterday. The former secretary of state told a panel discussion in midtown that the world needs to be ready if diplomacy fails to dissuade Iran from halting its nuclear program.

"I do not believe that living in a world with 20 or 30 nuclear states is a situation that civilized life can support," said Kissinger, who served under Presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.

Sir Harold Evans, editor-in-chief of The Week magazine, moderated the forum on Middle East peace, which the magazine sponsored. It was held at Michael Jordan's Steakhouse in Grand Central Terminal.

Ambassador Dennis Ross, a former U.S. envoy to Middle East peace talks, agreed that Iran obtaining atomic weapons could be a "tipping point" that turns the entire region nuclear. Ross scoffed at Tehran's claim that its nuclear program is simply for generating electricity.

In separate comments in Washington, Secretary of State Rice said the United States is waiting to see if Britain, France and Germany are able to deter Tehran's nuclear ambitions.

"If this does not work, then, of course, the Security Council remains an option," Rice said. "And we have made it clear with our European friends that that is, in fact, the case."

Iran is unlikely to produce a nuclear weapon before the next decade, Rice said.

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1 posted on 04/17/2005 9:56:54 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

Wise old Henry is absolutely right with this warning.


2 posted on 04/17/2005 10:02:05 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Stingy Dog

And I suppose you know more than Kissinger?


4 posted on 04/17/2005 10:11:13 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: freedom44

A simple answer would be for Rice to tell Khatami that we will redirect half of our nuclear weapons if Iran gets the Islamobomb.


5 posted on 04/17/2005 10:13:35 PM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: Stingy Dog

Kissinger is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the CFR and the Trilateralists. End of civilization, yeah right.


7 posted on 04/17/2005 10:25:12 PM PDT by ValenB4 (God bless Pope John Paul II, a true man of peace.)
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To: Stingy Dog

Kissinger is demented and no one in their right minds should listen to this blabbermouth.


Seems to me you've forgotten about what Kissinger has accomplished. He seems quite coherant to me and he's quite correct on this issue.


8 posted on 04/17/2005 10:26:05 PM PDT by conshack
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To: freedom44

The mullahs should be careful. They may get "A day of fire" they haven't figured for..


9 posted on 04/17/2005 10:27:12 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: freedom44

Are you advocating that we go to war with your former homeland in order to prevent Iran from getting nukes?


10 posted on 04/17/2005 10:34:43 PM PDT by ValenB4 (God bless Pope John Paul II, a true man of peace.)
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To: freedom44
In the natural, Kissinger is right on. But God didn't create this planet so man could destroy it. He created it to be a paradise where man and God could live together for eternity. We will soon see who's "will be done, on earth", fallen man (total destruction), or redeemed man (eternal paradise), carries the day.
11 posted on 04/17/2005 10:51:34 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.)
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To: Stingy Dog

Who're you trying to kid?


12 posted on 04/17/2005 11:24:51 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; fat city; freedom44; Tamsey; Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom; McGavin999; Hinoki Cypress; ...
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13 posted on 04/18/2005 1:35:19 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: freedom44

Maybe not civilization but if Iran had nuclear weapons the death toll would still be in the millions.


14 posted on 04/18/2005 1:42:11 AM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: DoctorZIn

Ping thanks.


15 posted on 04/18/2005 3:59:13 AM PDT by G.Mason (If you are broken ... it is because you are brittle.)
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To: TapTheSource; SJackson; Salem; Alouette; IAF ThunderPilot; sheik yerbouty; dennisw; SunkenCiv; ...

Ping!


16 posted on 04/18/2005 7:42:40 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: freedom44; dc-zoo; Logical me; Andy from Beaverton; sheik yerbouty; A Jovial Cad; DoctorZIn; ...

Thanks to Jimmy Carter's betrayal of the Shah, the world's premier state sponsor of anti-American terrorism was founded.

With aid from Russia, China and North Korea, Iran is becoming a nuclear power.

Sitting on the world's largest petroleum reserve, Iran's nuclear ambition is not energy, but weaponry.

We--America--are the Great Satan, while Israel is the Little Satan.

Kissinger is aware of the danger of an international player which does not recognize a concept of limits.

The power behind the Beirut Embassy and Beirut Marine barracks bombings in 1983 acknowledges no limit to its actions--for it is, after all, the vanguard of the Islamist revolution, an organizing principle which calls for the slaying of the infidel "wherever you find him".

Such a mad regime equipped with mass killing capacity by our historic enemies Russia, China and North Korea, viewing us as the main impediment to its acquisition of converts by conquest will engineer a series of deniable nuclear terror events creating unimaginable conditions.

Should the U.S. be decapitated by such a campaign, what will restrain China's hegemonic ambition to fulfil its cosmic destiny as the Middle Kingdom?

And, to be sure, Kissinger knows China.

18 posted on 04/18/2005 11:32:34 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: ValenB4
Are you advocating that we go to war with your former homeland in order to prevent Iran from getting nukes?

I'm for indiscriminate killing anytime the opportunity presents itself.

19 posted on 04/18/2005 11:34:18 AM PDT by Lazamataz (They taunted and gloated with perverse kitty pictures....)
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To: PhilDragoo
Such a mad regime equipped with mass killing capacity by our historic enemies Russia, China and North Korea, viewing us as the main impediment to its acquisition of converts by conquest will engineer a series of deniable nuclear terror events creating unimaginable conditions.

I have heard a rumor that nuclear devices are detectable via sattelites and that this detection cannot be prevented.

Russia might have tried bringing nukes into the US by unconvential methods otherwise.

20 posted on 04/18/2005 11:37:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (They taunted and gloated with perverse kitty pictures....)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

When Iran finally finishes building it, it will all be too late.


21 posted on 04/18/2005 11:42:13 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Lazamataz
I have heard a rumor that nuclear devices are detectable via sattelites and that this detection cannot be prevented.

I don't think this is true.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

22 posted on 04/18/2005 11:46:17 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Stingy Dog

No offence, but you sound more like the demented one, Stingy Dog, this is Iran we're talking about.


23 posted on 04/18/2005 11:56:17 AM PDT by Ashamed Canadian
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To: freedom44; nuconvert; parisa

Did any one listen to him when he asked Carter adminstration to fully back the Shah of Iran in 1979?


24 posted on 04/18/2005 3:38:54 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Stingy Dog

Carter did not listen to what this wise man said and now we are in a mess...

How many times should we repeat the same mistake?


25 posted on 04/18/2005 3:40:02 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: DoctorZIn

BUMP FOR KISSINGER!


26 posted on 04/18/2005 3:46:20 PM PDT by Khashayar (Take Carter! We'll Keep the Shah. <<< American protestors defending the Shah in NYC in 1979)
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American Iranologist Wills to be Buried in Isfahan, Iran

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Service : Iran
4/18/2005

Tehran, Apr. 18 (CHN) – Professor Richard Nelson Frye, a great American Iranologist, has asked in his will for his body to be transferred and buried in the land of Iran, in the historical city of Isfahan.

Frye is an emeritus Harvard professor in central Asian studies who still gives lectures promoting Iranian history and culture.

Frye graduated from Harvard in 1946, taught at several universities including Habibiya College in Kabul (1942-44), Harvard University (1948-90), Frankfurt University (1959-60), Hamburg University (1968-69), Pahlavi University of Shiraz (1970-76), and University of Tajikistan (1990-92), and was the founder of the Center for Middle Eastern Studies at Harvard.

He has written many books on Iran, some of which are “the heritage of Persia” (1962), “the golden age of Persia” (1975), and “Greater Iran, a 20th century odyssey” (2005) which is a memoir of his.

He loves Iran so much that has been entitled as “Irandoust” (the one who is a friend of Iran). The name was given to him first time by Ibrahim Pourdavoud, the great Iranian scholar (1885-1968) who conducted invaluable research on Avesta – the Zoroastrian holy book- and from then on, he himself used it in his writings.

In his most recent visit to Iran last year, Professor Frye succeeded to get the permission of officials of the historical city of Isfahan to be buried there. He wants his body to be transferred to Isfahan and be buried in a tomb in the riverside of Zayanderoud, the river that passes through the city.

“I will write of the Great Iran to the last moment of my life,” writes Frye.

http://www.chn.ir/english/eshownews.asp?no=5131


27 posted on 04/18/2005 4:01:15 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Lazamataz
I don't know if satellites can detect radiation on the surface. If the device were shielded, there would be nothing to detect.

I believe there are now radiation detectors at container ports. There are many millions of containers.

Thanks to NAFTA, a truck can enter the U.S. from Canada or Mexico with reduced or no inspection.

No doubt the scenario is constantly gamed by those tasked with our security.

At least since September 11, 2001, we have a right to expect that it is.

28 posted on 04/18/2005 4:16:38 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: F14 Pilot; Khashayar; freedom44; nuconvert; DoctorZIn; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; devolve
Henry Kissinger in Years of Upheaval in relation to the Shah and his fall wrote; “What overthrew the Shah was a coalition of legitimate grievances and an inchoate accumulation of resentment aimed at the very concept of modernity and at the Shah’s role as a moderate world leader. The Shah was despised less for what he did wrong than for what he did right. He was brought down by those who hated reform and the West; who were against absolute rule only if it was based on secular principles. The immediate victors were not enlightened dissidents of liberal democratic persuasion but the most regressive group in Iranian society: the religious ayatollahs who identified human dignity not with freedom and progress but with an ancient moral and religious code.”

29 posted on 04/18/2005 4:29:36 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo; nuconvert; Reza2004; parisa

And the Shah called these groups as Black Reactionary and Red Reactionary gangs... ((Referring to Marxists and Islamists who were trying to fight his reign and I think he was very true))


30 posted on 04/18/2005 4:42:31 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: freedom44
I think the basic plan is for the rogue nuclear states to agree to disarm if everyone else also does under international control, i.e., world government.

This is basically how the US would lose sovereignty without a shot being fired.

31 posted on 04/18/2005 4:46:22 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo
see:

The Case Against World Government


32 posted on 04/18/2005 4:47:18 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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34 posted on 04/18/2005 8:43:34 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: freedom44; ValenB4

More doomsday rhetoric from those who wish to justify the existence of their welfare/warfare state. Big surprise.

As for regime change in Iran, I wish y'all the best of success. Let us know how it turns out. You folks did it once back in '79; I'm sure you can do it again.

35 posted on 04/19/2005 4:20:06 AM PDT by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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To: sheltonmac

Don't forget the regime change in 1953. We're batting 0-2 so far in Iran. Why not make it 0-3?


36 posted on 04/19/2005 7:21:09 AM PDT by ValenB4 (God bless Pope John Paul II, a true man of peace.)
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