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Ratzinger calls for “clarity of faith” ahead of papal conclave
Kaleej Times ^ | April 18, 2005

Posted on 04/18/2005 6:12:19 AM PDT by NYer

VATICAN CITY - German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger defended Roman Catholic Church doctrine and condemned “the dictatorship of relativism” at Monday’s mass to pray for guidance in the election of the next pope.

In his homily, Ratzinger, the dean of the College of Cardinals and a leading candidate for the papacy, said relativism “recognizes nothing definitive and its final measure is no more than ego and desire.”

The 78-year-old cardinal pointed to “so many winds of doctrine that we have known in recent decades, so many ideological currents, so many ways of thinking,” including Marxism, liberalism, radical individualism, atheism and mysticism.

He was speaking before 115 cardinal electors were set later Monday to begin a days-long secret conclave to elect a successor to John Paul II.

Ratzinger said a “mature faith is not one that follows the waves of fashion and the latest novelty; adult and mature is a faith that is deeply grounded in friendship with Christ.”

The conservative German prelate, who as Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith is one of the Church’s leading enforcers of theological discipline, said: “Every day new sects are born, and what Saint Paul said about the deception of men, on cleverness that leads to mistakes, is becoming so.

“Having clear faith according to the credo of the Church is often labeled fundamentalism, while relativism, that is, allowing oneself to be carried here and there by whatever wind of doctrine, seems like the only attitude with any currency today,” said Ratzinger.

In the homily, which received quiet applause from few cardinals while others showed no particular reaction, he also called on the clerics to be “guided by holy concern: the concern to bring to everyone the gift of faith and friendship with Christ.

“In truth, the love, the friendship of God has been given to us to transmit to others,” he said.

Ratzinger implored the faithful and the cardinal electors to ”heartily pray to the Lord at this time so that, after the great gift of Pope John Paul II, He will give us once again a pastor according to His heart, a pastor who will guide us to the knowledge of Christ, His love and true joy.”


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KEYWORDS: cardinals; cary; conclave; election; homily; nextpope; pope; ratzinger
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German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger delivers the homily during a Mass in St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican, Monday April 18, 2005, as the cardinals who will elect a new pope made their last public appearance before sequestering themselves inside the Sistine Chapel later in the day. Ratzinger, the powerful dean of the College of Cardinals, used his homily at the Mass dedicated to electing the next pope to warn cardinals and the faithful about tendencies that he considered dangers to the faith: sects, ideologies like Marxism, liberalism, atheism, agnosticism and relativism.
1 posted on 04/18/2005 6:12:21 AM PDT by NYer
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Cardinals walk in procession during a Mass in St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican, Monday April 18, 2005, in their last public appearence before sequestering themselves inside the Sistine Chapel later in the day. Thousand of pilgrims and tourist packed St. Peter's Basilica and the square to take a last glimpse of the cardinals who will elect the next head of the Roman Catholic Church during the conclave. (AP Photo/Pier Paolo Cito)

"I slept well, and now my ideas are clear," French Cardinal Paul Poupard said as he headed into the Mass. "I have realized the seriousness of the election. The Holy Spirit will do the rest."

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2 posted on 04/18/2005 6:15:41 AM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: NYer
Cardinal Ratzinger was the Grand Inquisitor for John Paul II and thus a guardian of Catholic doctrine.

“the dictatorship of relativism”

This is the biggest falling away from Christ's path. He is absolutely correct.

3 posted on 04/18/2005 6:17:11 AM PDT by starfish923 (Iohannas Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem)
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To: starfish923; AlaninSA

I woke up at 4:30 and caught portions of his homily. He spoke of all the 'isms' that have come and gone over the past 2000 years and recalled the words of St. Paul with regard to placing our trust in Christ alone. It was an awesome homily. Hopefully, I'll be able to post it to the forum later.


4 posted on 04/18/2005 6:24:32 AM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: starfish923
Agreed. At his age Ratzinger could only be a transitional Pope, but he would be a rock on which to build for the future. I wish him well, and may the Holy Spirit guide the conclave as well as in the election of John Paul II.
5 posted on 04/18/2005 6:24:58 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: starfish923
I am definitely not claiming to be directly guided by the Holy Ghost in this, but it sure seems to me that it would be a good thing for the Church if the Panzerkardinal became the Panzerpope.
6 posted on 04/18/2005 6:26:10 AM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)
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To: NYer
recalled the words of St. Paul with regard to placing our trust in Christ alone

Wow...this is what Martin Luther taught. If this Pope really believes this, this is a Pope I could back.

I like every word he says in this article.

7 posted on 04/18/2005 6:37:07 AM PDT by what's up
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To: NYer
In the homily, which received quiet applause from few cardinals while others showed no particular reaction

The reporter conveniently left out the enthusiastic applause from the faithful in attendance.

8 posted on 04/18/2005 6:41:28 AM PDT by ELS (Extra omnes!)
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To: NYer

I wish Ratzinger was younger. He could be a great leader for a short time -- and keep the American bishops on the road back to orthodoxy.


9 posted on 04/18/2005 6:43:43 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: NYer

Ratzinger is making the hard sell. He'll be the early leading vote-getter but if he's not over 51% of the vote in the first three, four ballots, this support will wane.

I think South/Latin America is getting this one.


10 posted on 04/18/2005 6:54:21 AM PDT by AbeKrieger
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To: NYer
Cardinal R. is hated by liberal American Catholics, the very same who were just waiting for John Paul II to die - and waiting, and waiting, and waiting.

American liberal Catholics have not liked where the Church has been going. They want homosexual priests, married priests, abortion, female priests, homosexual marriage and "liberation" Catholocism. I view these folks as wanting to destroy the very thing that makes my Church a living and breathing connection to our Savior - obviously I oppose what they support.

I don't know who will be Pope. Ratzinger would be good because he would call the American Church to heel, a thing that John Paul II did in some respects- but not to the extent that is necessary. Lay Catholics in America understand that a large part of our current troubles, abusive priests and the lack of priests, arise from the liberization of Church in the 60's and 70's. It was then that this offensive idea of "chaste" homosexuals becoming priests was accepted by the Religious in the Church. Many traditional Catholic men seeking the priesthood were blackballed because they would not accept homosexuality within the clergy.

11 posted on 04/18/2005 8:16:43 AM PDT by Dogrobber
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To: AbeKrieger
Ratzinger is making the hard sell.

I strongly doubt that. He never wanted to go to the Vatican. He is a philosopher and planned to write. It was JPII who pleaded for his assistance.

12 posted on 04/18/2005 8:33:53 AM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: NYer
relativism “recognizes nothing definitive and its final measure is no more than ego and desire.”

Ratzinger rocks!

In the homily, which received quiet applause from few cardinals while others showed no particular reaction

Do cardinals usually applaud during homilies? It's never happened at any Mass that I've been to.

13 posted on 04/18/2005 8:40:34 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: what's up
recalled the words of St. Paul with regard to placing our trust in Christ alone Wow...this is what Martin Luther taught.

Except Luther broke from the Church that Christ founded, which Scripture calls "the pillar and foundation of truth." Martin tended to ignore passages that he disagreed with.

Don't put your trust in men.

14 posted on 04/18/2005 8:43:32 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Dogrobber
Cardinal R. is hated by liberal American Catholics, the very same who were just waiting for John Paul II to die

I hope that if he's elected, he rams the mandatum down the throats of all the CINO American colleges, in a charitable way, of course.

15 posted on 04/18/2005 8:45:38 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
Don't put your trust in men.

Never...this is exactly why I was interested in the quotes from St. Paul.

16 posted on 04/18/2005 8:49:36 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Dogrobber
Cardinal R. is hated by liberal American Catholics, the very same who were just waiting for John Paul II to die - and waiting, and waiting, and waiting.

The diocese in which I reside is run by one of the most liberal bishops in America .. you're preaching to the choir ;-D.

My 70ish neighbors assured me that "we" need a more liberal pope and cringed at the mention of Ratzinger. They deserve nothing less than him!

17 posted on 04/18/2005 8:50:16 AM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: Aquinasfan
Do cardinals usually applaud during homilies? It's never happened at any Mass that I've been to.

Europeans applaud for everything: live people, dead people, great homilies, pathetic homilies...these folks just love to give it up.

18 posted on 04/18/2005 8:52:07 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: AbeKrieger
Ratzinger is making the hard sell. He'll be the early leading vote-getter but if he's not over 51% of the vote in the first three, four ballots, this support will wane.

My mother and I were having this discussion this weekend. She (still a practicing Catholic) told me to watch Ratzinger, and I reminded her of the old saw, "He who enters the conclave a Pope, comes out a Cardinal."

I think she's amazed that twenty years after leaving the church, I still follow this stuff!

19 posted on 04/18/2005 8:54:02 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: Aquinasfan
I hope that if he's elected, he rams the mandatum down the throats of all the CINO American colleges, in a charitable way, of course.

But, they still need time to study it!

SD

20 posted on 04/18/2005 8:54:13 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: NYer
(LIVE THREAD) The Papal Conclave, Interregnum, Cardinals, Conclave Facts, Prayer and other links
21 posted on 04/18/2005 8:56:18 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer


His homily is posted here, on the "live" thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1385286/posts?page=233#233


23 posted on 04/18/2005 9:26:23 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: NYer

What language did Ratzinger speak in?


24 posted on 04/18/2005 9:31:00 AM PDT by Agrarian
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To: NYer
Something tells me that Ratzinger would have the guts to excommunicate pro-abortion politicians.
25 posted on 04/18/2005 9:32:46 AM PDT by Preachin' (Keep the Kerry/Edwards tags on your cars so we can identify the root of your disease.)
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To: Aquinasfan

"Do cardinals usually applaud during homilies? It's never happened at any Mass that I've been to."


Be careful... That might lead to dancing!


26 posted on 04/18/2005 9:37:21 AM PDT by Preachin' (Keep the Kerry/Edwards tags on your cars so we can identify the root of your disease.)
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To: Preachin'
Something tells me that Ratzinger would have the guts to excommunicate pro-abortion politicians.

And hopefully the child molesters as well. Those are two things I pray the next Pope will stand up and take care of, forcefully and decisively.

27 posted on 04/18/2005 9:39:34 AM PDT by AbeKrieger
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To: AbeKrieger
"And hopefully the child molesters as well. Those are two things I pray the next Pope will stand up and take care of, forcefully and decisively."


I am not a Catholic, but had a lot of respect overall for Pope John Paul II.

I was very surprised that the church was letting those losers slide.
28 posted on 04/18/2005 9:56:45 AM PDT by Preachin' (Keep the Kerry/Edwards tags on your cars so we can identify the root of your disease.)
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To: NYer

Please do - and be sure you ping me - I like this guy - because the dems are gonna hate him.


29 posted on 04/18/2005 10:23:12 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Preachin'
Be careful... That might lead to dancing!

Not during Mass! 8-)

30 posted on 04/18/2005 10:29:49 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: SoothingDave
But, they still need time to study it!

Doh!

31 posted on 04/18/2005 10:31:03 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: NYer; Aquinasfan
liberal bishops in America

These are the people who I settle the blame for the current state of the Catholic Church in America. These men accepted the concept of "chaste" homosexuals in the clergy and opened the door to the rampant abuse of young boys by homosexual priests (and its the homosexuals that have caused the Church problems - hetro priests who break their vows do it with adult women who don't sue for abuse). These men also covered for the abusers because they do not want their liberal views discredited.

We need Cardinal R., or someone with his chops, to keep the Church on the narrow road, unlike some others who have set foot on the wide road that leads only down (Lutherans, Episcopalians, etc.).

I thought I would sing another verse for the choir. ;^D)

32 posted on 04/18/2005 10:41:50 AM PDT by Dogrobber
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To: CyberAnt
If it makes the DEMS/LIBS go into hissy fits, and makes them spin and toil like the sun squelches the weeds, then I am all for Ratzinger.
At least his name fits the bill :


RAT -ZINGER !!



Here are some Definitions of the word ( Zinger ) I got this from :
http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=zinger Definition : Zinger.
Main Entry : hit
Part of speech: noun 1
Here are some interesting definitions of ZINGER.
bang - buffet-clash-collision-impack-knock-one-two punch-plunk-punch-shock-shot-slap-smack-smash-wallop-whammy-zap-zinger.
So basically, Zinger means = ZOT or ZOTTED.

RAT - ZINGER = RAT ZOTTER

I like this new Pope already.

33 posted on 04/18/2005 11:06:57 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Malesherbes
Even if he only has five years in the tank...

That would be fine. He could spend it all in Rome, and that would be enough time to clean house. Swing the meat cleaver. Break out the lumber. Throw around big metaphors.

34 posted on 04/18/2005 11:15:04 AM PDT by The Iguana
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To: CyberAnt
Well,,, if they do pick Ratzinger, we better get out the office seal of the Democrat Party.
35 posted on 04/18/2005 11:16:35 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Preachin'

Cardinal Ratzinger is a Man's Man of God and a very powerful spiritual person. He is pragmatic, compassionate and tough and he would set a good foundation for the future. He has the balance of tenderness and toughness that we should look for in our leaders. It would be interesting and entertaining to watch him as Supreme Pontiff.


36 posted on 04/18/2005 11:50:57 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrat = Fat, drunk and stupid is a hell of a way to go through life)
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To: what's up

Luther also taught that bigamy was OK because Scripture didn't condemn it.


37 posted on 04/18/2005 12:08:22 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Sorry .. I don't understand what you mean by that ..??


38 posted on 04/18/2005 12:21:36 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel; Malesherbes
Agreed. At his age Ratzinger could only be a transitional Pope, but he would be a rock on which to build for the future. I wish him well, and may the Holy Spirit guide the conclave as well as in the election of John Paul II. by Malesherbes
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I am definitely not claiming to be directly guided by the Holy Ghost in this, but it sure seems to me that it would be a good thing for the Church if the Panzerkardinal became the Panzerpope. by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)

I am in 100% agreement with both of you.
Let the white smoke out!

Especially for the Panzerkardinal!

P.S. Loved ole Groucho. You Bet Your Life was one of my dad's favorite T.V. shows.

39 posted on 04/18/2005 12:26:03 PM PDT by starfish923 (Iohannas Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Yeah - me too. I sure hope he gets it. He's a no-nonsense kind of guy.


40 posted on 04/18/2005 12:31:36 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Luther also taught that bigamy was OK because Scripture didn't condemn it.

I hadn't heard that one before. Do you have a source?

41 posted on 04/18/2005 12:32:15 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
In German the noun Rat means "councillor" or "advice/counsel.
42 posted on 04/18/2005 12:36:45 PM PDT by starfish923 (Iohannas Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem)
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To: starfish923
I was referring to, what we call the Democrats here in the USA, a RAT- Zotter.
43 posted on 04/18/2005 12:59:32 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: CyberAnt
Ok.. let me try to explain.
We call the liberals/Democrats here in America and FR RATS.
the word Zinger means, to hit, bang, smash, one-two punch,
Rat-Zinger= RAT-ZOTTER.
44 posted on 04/18/2005 1:02:06 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Hey, I got it; I got it.
I was merely adding information, not disputing or disparaging.
Sorry.
45 posted on 04/18/2005 1:09:59 PM PDT by starfish923 (Iohannas Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

I THOUGHT it might be the teensiet bit germane (No pun intended.) since he IS German.


46 posted on 04/18/2005 1:11:12 PM PDT by starfish923 (Iohannas Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

How about a bolt of lightening ZOTTING a RAT - that would be good.


47 posted on 04/18/2005 2:23:44 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Agrarian
What language did Ratzinger speak in?

Most of the Mass was in Latin. Cardinal Ratzinger gave the homily in Italian.

48 posted on 04/18/2005 6:01:59 PM PDT by ELS (Extra omnes!)
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To: ELS
Thanks. I just got to wondering if the sermon would also have been in Latin.

I wonder how many American Catholics are looking wistfully at these Latin services, swinging censers, etc..., wondering why they can't have this at home.

49 posted on 04/18/2005 6:30:36 PM PDT by Agrarian
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To: CyberAnt
Well, He's our new Pope, Pope Benedict the XVI.
50 posted on 04/19/2005 11:15:12 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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