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American activist dies in Iraq blast (code pink alert!)
MSNBC ^ | 4/17/2005 | AP

Posted on 04/18/2005 6:45:00 AM PDT by minus_273

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To: minus_273

As they say, shite happens.


51 posted on 04/18/2005 7:56:09 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: minus_273

So, is the CIVC going to sue the bombers and its group to pay for the damage?


52 posted on 04/18/2005 8:12:06 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Little Bill
American are protesting illegals crossing the border. President Bush is of no help stopping the illegal entry. Protesting is not a bad thing.

BTW the "ugly" post you made has been removed by the mods with no help from me. Goes to show your post was not worthy of this thread.

53 posted on 04/18/2005 8:15:56 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Soliton

She put OUR people (and I have a few nephews in Iraq) at risk---so in the end it comes out to "tough cookies" If she had been responsible for getting any of my nephews kille/wounded, you can be assured that I'd really be going off. She had NO RIGHT to be there no matter her where her hert may lie.

Play with fire and you can end up getting burned.


54 posted on 04/18/2005 8:16:49 AM PDT by swordfish71 (PRAYERS for TEXAS COWBOY!!!)
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To: swordfish71

I have to agree with you on that one.


55 posted on 04/18/2005 8:18:10 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Soliton
The girl died doing something she believed in

Hitler died doing that.

Even if you disagree, your comment is dispicable.

Your spelling is atroshus.

56 posted on 04/18/2005 8:21:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (They taunted and gloated with perverse kitty pictures....)
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To: swordfish71
If someone REALLY wants to help, then join in on a group that helps our wounded soldiers recuperate and deal with their wounds (NOT "injuries") and help purchase prosthesis for limbs lost to IEDs and the like.
57 posted on 04/18/2005 8:26:19 AM PDT by brushcop
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To: All
If a person sincerely believes they can fly and they climb up on to a 10 story building, flap their arms really hard and jump, they tend to fall to their death.

Sincere people can be sincerely wrong and end up paying dire consequences. 2 + 2 will always equal 4, no matter how much you want to believe it to be 5.

There is no honor in a death brought on by a warped belief.
58 posted on 04/18/2005 8:28:03 AM PDT by texan75010 (You lost - MoveOn...to France, or Canada, or New Zealand, or Germany...take your pick.)
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To: brushcop

How true....but she wants to go there and make matters worse.

No doubt, she could care less about our people.

I saw those types all the time in 20+ years in the Navy. They were never at Bethesda comforting those wounded in battle, or injured in a peacetime shipboard accident.

They were outside "protesting"

Here's why I'm so angry: One of my nephews that was in Iraq early in the war lost his leg---my OLd Man went to see him at Walter Reed. He actually had people tell him how glad they were to see AMERICANS losing their lives and limbs. Dad showed great restraint in not snapping their neck like twigs--something that he would NOT have been if some Code Pink-type had been involved. Now he hope the remainder of the boys there come home safely.

Those people are disgusting---absolutely DISGUSTING.


60 posted on 04/18/2005 8:35:49 AM PDT by swordfish71 (PRAYERS for TEXAS COWBOY!!!)
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To: texan75010

Amen!!


61 posted on 04/18/2005 8:37:11 AM PDT by swordfish71 (PRAYERS for TEXAS COWBOY!!!)
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To: swordfish71

You nailed it.

Going door to door in Iraq on her anti american mission put her at great risk for capture. Our troops and their chain of command would have to dedicate and great amount of effort on trying to rescue her. At least she went quickly and wasn't subject to raping and having her head sawed off with a buck knife.

I certainly hope not one cent of taxpayer money is spent repatriating her remains.


62 posted on 04/18/2005 8:45:39 AM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: minus_273

She is a traitor, dishonoring the 911 victims and the Americans who freed Iraq. Patrick Leahy should also step down for assosciating with this terrorist supporter.


63 posted on 04/18/2005 8:47:51 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: minus_273

GOOD, I'll be glad when, if ever, all the death loving Saddam supporters are all DEAD.


64 posted on 04/18/2005 8:55:50 AM PDT by lolhelp
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To: wideawake

Cha ching!


65 posted on 04/18/2005 9:19:24 AM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: Orange1998

"A onetime protégée of one of the world's most visible activists, Global Exchange's Medea Benjamin, "

Ah, that says it all.


66 posted on 04/18/2005 10:12:44 AM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: minus_273

American activist dies in Iraq blast. Ironies abound here: "Marla Ruzicka, founder of Campaign for Innocent Victims in Conflict, died Saturday in the blast, which also killed an Iraqi and another foreigner, officials said. She had been in Iraq conducting door-to-door surveys trying to determine the number of civilian casualties in the country."


She was an American activist, of the type that was trying to show that American troops were causing terrible harm. In other words, negative PR to highlight the victims of 'war'.
The leftwing site Common Dreams notes of the young activist: "A onetime protégée of one of the world's most visible activists, Global Exchange's Medea Benjamin, Ruzicka was set on this course after 9/11 when she went to Afghanistan on a campaign to help those in the line of fire between U. S. troops and suspected Taliban strongholds. ..."


Her previous activism included disrupting speeches ... "... just two years ago I was dragged out of the World Affairs Council when President Bush was speaking. It was his first trip to California, and I'd bought a ticket to hear him speak. I made my sarong-type skirt into a banner, and when he started his address, I unfurled it and jumped on a table and started shouting, 'Stop the rate caps now!' The cops grabbed me and took me out."


She changes her style but not her mission since then:


It was between her post-war sojourns to Afghanistan and Iraq that Ruzicka split amicably from Global Exchange to start her own organization, CIVIC (www.civicworldwide.org). Though there is the ongoing worry over money, Ruzicka is getting better at finding grants, and she was given a boost when ABC's "Nightline" aired a piece on her work in Iraq.


There is something noble in the American spirit that makes us take risks and do what we think is needed to change things for the better.
But there is also something meddlesome, annoying, and arrogant about getting in the middle of a complex situation like a war zone, and doing freelance agitation and foreign policy; call it "ugly Americanism", call it "Jesse Jacksonism" or even "Jimmy Carterism".


Ruzicka's mission in Iraq was not to tally the victims of terrorism but to tally victims of 'war'. If you listen to the Leftists PR, war is a disembodied evil, disregarding the causes of it, the purposes, perpetrators, and complexities of it. This has been the cry of the 'peace' groups during the Cold War, ("peace" groups that were actually front groups for the Soviet Union). The Soviet Union is dead, the Cold War over, but the plea for 'peace' from the Leftists goes on, every time the U.S. is stirred by events to action.


Did this women ever, ever, prior to her death at the hands of terrorists, attend, organize or participate in a rally against terrorism? Or against Saddam Hussein's brutality?


67 posted on 04/18/2005 10:36:38 AM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: minus_273

I heard a radio news report in this today that made her sound like a saint. I nearly drove off the road in apoplexy!


68 posted on 04/18/2005 10:39:11 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: Soliton

"This story was covered by hundreds of posts yesterday. Yes she was a "bleeding heart liberal", but it seems that her bleeding heart was in the right place."

Uh, not quite. she was in the wrong place in more ways than one. she never should have been in Iraq, not before the war as one of Saddam's 'human shields', and not as an agitator that was trying to highlight the U.S. mistakes afterwords. Her death by terrorism is ironic.

my take on it ...


http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/

She was an American activist, of the type that was trying to show that American troops were causing terrible harm. In other words, negative PR to highlight the victims of 'war'. The leftwing site Common Dreams notes of the young activist: "A onetime protégée of one of the world's most visible activists, Global Exchange's Medea Benjamin, Ruzicka was set on this course after 9/11 when she went to Afghanistan on a campaign to help those in the line of fire between U. S. troops and suspected Taliban strongholds. ..."

Her previous activism included disrupting speeches ... "... just two years ago I was dragged out of the World Affairs Council when President Bush was speaking. It was his first trip to California, and I'd bought a ticket to hear him speak. I made my sarong-type skirt into a banner, and when he started his address, I unfurled it and jumped on a table and started shouting, 'Stop the rate caps now!' The cops grabbed me and took me out."

She changes her style but not her mission since then:

It was between her post-war sojourns to Afghanistan and Iraq that Ruzicka split amicably from Global Exchange to start her own organization, CIVIC (www.civicworldwide.org). Though there is the ongoing worry over money, Ruzicka is getting better at finding grants, and she was given a boost when ABC's "Nightline" aired a piece on her work in Iraq.

There is something noble in the American spirit that makes us take risks and do what we think is needed to change things for the better. But there is also something meddlesome, annoying, and arrogant about getting in the middle of a complex situation like a war zone, and doing freelance agitation and foreign policy; call it "ugly Americanism", call it "Jesse Jacksonism" or even "Jimmy Carterism".

Ruzicka's mission in Iraq was not to tally the victims of terrorism but to tally victims of 'war'. If you listen to the Leftists PR, war is a disembodied evil, disregarding the causes of it, the purposes, perpetrators, and complexities of it. This has been the cry of the 'peace' groups during the Cold War, ("peace" groups that were actually front groups for the Soviet Union). The Soviet Union is dead, the Cold War over, but the plea for 'peace' from the Leftists goes on, every time the U.S. is stirred by events to action.

Did this women ever, ever, prior to her death at the hands of terrorists, attend, organize or participate in a rally against terrorism? Or against Saddam Hussein's brutality?

But we know the answer. Before getting killed by terrorists, before she decided to go around polling Iraqis to find victims of collateral damage in war, before the invasion of Iraq itself, she was a 'human shield' to stop the overthrow of Saddam:

When the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq began in March 2003, Ruzicka was already in Baghdad with Code Pink, said Jodi Evans, co-founder of the women’s anti-war group.

Other activists decided to return to the United States to talk about how the Iraqi people were affected by the invasion, but Ruzicka made a commitment to stay, Evans said. She founded the group CIVIC that year.

“Marla thought she would be more effective staying, because once the bombs started falling, people would be hurt and she needed to help them get their lives back together,” Evans said.

Isn't it ironic? She has been protesting the very military that protects her freedom to do activist activities, and is now killed by the allies of the dictator she agitated to protect.


69 posted on 04/18/2005 10:43:06 AM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: Orange1998

"Her actions right or wrong did help many needy people. I have respect for her since she was trying to help people in need unlike many who do nothing. She took the risk and paid the ultimate price. God bless her."

You've been misled by media (or should I say "Medea") PR.

She was a human shield that was there to protect Saddam in 2003. Prior to that she verbally accosted President Bush while he was making a speech. She has a 10-year track record of left-wing agitation. She stayed in Iraq after saddam was deposed to highlight the victims of war as a way to demonize the U.S. liberation of Iraq and demoralize our war effort.
She agitated for U.S. taxpayer money, money that ws better spent through CPA, DoD or real organizations, not a leftist front group.


73 posted on 04/18/2005 10:51:47 AM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: NucSubVet

"Maybe we can just not dance on her grave"

Nobody should dance on her grave. This was a tragedy. Terrorism sucks.
And although this ironic event does have a 'Darwin Award' flavor to it, she was a victim of an evil crime and the real perps are the ones to blame.

"we don't have to pretend she was right."

If she was 'right', Saddam should still be in power.
Nope. Not right. Not even close to right.

The point is, we don't believe in the death penalty for being wrong, disagreeing with our politics, or being a bonehead who takes unnecessary risks.


74 posted on 04/18/2005 10:59:17 AM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: Bigh4u2
Why would she need to 'poll' people in Iraq on the number of 'innocent' victims?

Good question especially since bad people will lie all day long.

75 posted on 04/18/2005 1:08:08 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: Lazamataz
Your spelling is atroshus.

Thanks for a needed laugh, "Humor Award" to you Laz, ROTFL

76 posted on 04/18/2005 1:11:34 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: TheDon
TROLL ALERT!

I went to Free Republic with the hunch you all wouldn't be so sadistic as to take pleasure in the death of a woman who succors children rescued from burning cars.

I was disappointed.

I bet you even call yourself a "Christian."

From: Perlstein

77 posted on 04/18/2005 1:26:39 PM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: Soliton

Amen to what you said. Some of the posts here are incredibly cold-blooded. I haven't seen any evidence that she was burning flags or actively working against American troops. Maybe she was a liberal but are people here really going to rejoice over an American girl being killed because she was a liberal? Sick It resembles the Palestinians dancing after 9/11.


78 posted on 04/18/2005 2:38:59 PM PDT by blueminnesota
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To: Orange1998
I had the post pulled so you wouldn't get upset.
79 posted on 04/19/2005 8:47:26 AM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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To: Orange1998

Well, without being able to read the comment by Little Bill, I don't know what he said. But, without being disrespectful to the person as a human being, we can discuss without rancor whether or not what she was doing over there was helpful or harmful to the Iraqis or to what our government was doing.

It is ironic that she would die in the fashion that she did, but it is my opinion that people who espouse the views that this unfortunate woman held harm the allied effort in Iraq.

As a result, actions and views such as hers ultimately hinder the ability of the Iraqis to install the social structure needed to protect their citizens, and also make these types of attacks (such as the one that killed her) be viewed by the world as the crimes they are, instead of the "insurgency" or "resistance" as they are viewed by many.

I have sympathy for her and her family, but I do feel that she was a "useful idiot" (not in the perjorative sense conveyed by the simple use of the word 'idiot', but in the sense intended by communists the world over since Marx and Lenin) That is, to describe well intentioned people who can be used as tools or weapons against anyone who opposes the communist/terrorist cause.


80 posted on 04/19/2005 9:08:26 AM PDT by rlmorel
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To: TheDon

I got the same exact message, VERBATIM on my freepmail from Perlstein.


82 posted on 04/20/2005 2:19:57 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Some of the trolls are using FRmail to avoid ZOTTING by the moderators.


83 posted on 04/20/2005 3:40:49 PM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw

I think maybe the hood ornament COULD have hit her on her way out.


85 posted on 04/21/2005 3:03:29 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: PotKettleBlack
I am sure you are against abortion (the massacre of the innocent unborn children) and felt real heartache when Terry was put to an inhumane death. Is that tears you are shedding for those poor victims of WACO? Yup, calling the Pot Kettle Black alright....
87 posted on 04/21/2005 3:58:21 PM PDT by Two-Bits (Delay only Republican I will send my money to........Delay for President - 08)
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To: Little Bill

:) LOL


88 posted on 04/21/2005 4:21:05 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: WOSG

It seems the prevailing view on this board is that the wisdom of the Iraq war is not debatable. If you oppose the war, you ipso facto support the ex-Hussein regime and all its tyrannical associations. Such logic is for children.

I'm a conservative Republican, having volunteered on 3 major Republican campaigns recently. I supported the war on the government's stated reason for going to war, to prevent Hussen's WMDs from passing into the hands of terrorists. Since the raison d'etre proved to be false or at best woefully exaggerated, I became opposed to the war. It does not follow that I long for a return of Hussein. I long for a return of 1500 dead soldiers, thousands of others seriously wounded, and 100s and billions of dollars down the drain to "establish democracy" and "human rights."

Color me silly for thinking most conservatives wouldn't support a war, suddenly framed as, for "democracy" and "human rights," even if the pretext might be blowing away thousands of potentially dangerous Arabs.

And now to the point. Who cares if the girl supported or opposed the war? It's a legitimate policy position. She was there to help maimed children, collateral damage, as a result of the bombings. This is laudable and honorable work. Even if you despise her and believe her, however irrationally, to be some hideous traitor, at least have the Christian decency not to defile the recently passed.


89 posted on 04/27/2005 1:10:32 PM PDT by Legal Conservative
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To: Legal Conservative

She wasn't there to 'help maimed children'.
She was there to hurt America and assist the terrorists.


90 posted on 04/27/2005 1:16:16 PM PDT by Darksheare (You too can own your very own Bad Idea by Darksheare! Inquire within!)
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To: Darksheare

This seems like your own inventive perspective of what she was doing. Do you really think that she took off for Iraq to aid "terrorists" and to hurt American soldiers? I think you're misinformed about the lengths to which sadists will go to satisfy themselves. There is plenty she could do to aid terrorists and harm American soldiers from the homeland.

Rather, the much more probable reason she was there was that she felt compelled to aid the "collateral damage" victims of our bombing campaigns. She could, I imagine, aid somewhat effectively in that respect. I'm not sure how effectively she could aid the "terrorist" cause in Iraq or harm Americans unless she was actively assisting the insurgency. Counting and comforting the maimed can hardly qualify.


91 posted on 04/27/2005 1:25:56 PM PDT by Legal Conservative
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To: Legal Conservative

You ARE speaking of "Marla Ruzicka" correct?
WHY don't you bother looking up things she said HERSELF.
YES, by her own admission she was there to try and disrupt the American war effort.
You obviously are either unaware of that, or PURPOSEFULLY being dishonest.
Considering your post and tone, I'd say it's the LATTER.


92 posted on 04/27/2005 2:27:32 PM PDT by Darksheare (You too can own your very own Bad Idea by Darksheare! Inquire within!)
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To: Legal Conservative; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; ...

Crew, Meet "Legal Conservative".
He believes that Marla Ruzicka was in Iraq "for the children" (post 89).
Marla Ruzicka, the terrorist sympathiser who ended up dead due to her symptathies.


93 posted on 04/27/2005 2:31:06 PM PDT by Darksheare (You too can own your very own Bad Idea by Darksheare! Inquire within!)
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To: Legal Conservative

Naaaah


94 posted on 04/27/2005 2:34:35 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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To: Legal Conservative
I'm a conservative Republican, having volunteered on 3 major Republican campaigns recently

And you've got this ocean front property in Arizona.....

95 posted on 04/27/2005 2:35:40 PM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: mollynme

If you'll buy that I'll throw the Golden Gate in Free!


96 posted on 04/27/2005 2:38:45 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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To: Legal Conservative

97 posted on 04/27/2005 2:39:19 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("You would have to double your IQ to be stupid. " --zip)
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To: Legal Conservative; Darksheare

Don't get near an open flame. Methane is very flammable.


98 posted on 04/27/2005 2:40:22 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; Legal Conservative

Yeah, I noted the extreme and distinct tinge of partially digested and composted flora material with that post especially.

I know automatically that a poster is lying whenever they say anything was done 'for the children', and I especially know they're suing the tired old handbook when they use lines like "As a lifelong republican.. I've voted for republicans BUT.."


99 posted on 04/27/2005 2:43:36 PM PDT by Darksheare (You too can own your very own Bad Idea by Darksheare! Inquire within!)
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To: Darksheare

We know the MO.


100 posted on 04/27/2005 2:49:47 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caution. Contents under pressure.)
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