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UN Discovers Human Remains in Kosovo Cave ("Non-Albanians" mass grave after NATO's takeover)
scotsman.com ^ | Mon 18 Apr 2005 | "PA"

Posted on 04/18/2005 8:22:35 AM PDT by Destro

Mon 18 Apr 2005

3:54pm (UK)

UN Discovers Human Remains in Kosovo Cave

"PA"

The United Nations in Kosovo said today they had discovered a cave allegedly used to secretly dispose of the human remains of non-Albanians in Kosovo killed during a war in 1998-1999.

Initial findings indicated the area “was used to secretly dispose of human remains, and could be related to the disappearances” of non-Albanians in Kosovo in 1998, the UN statement said.

The UN-run Office on Missing Persons and Forensics began excavating the cave and its surrounding area in Klina, some 30 miles west of the province’s capital Pristina, it said.

About 500 Serbs and 200 members of other non-Albanian communities in Kosovo remain missing and are suspected to have been kidnapped and killed by ethnic Albanian rebels during the province’s 1998-1999 war, according to UN figures. (A lie - more Serbs have been killed than that).

Some 10,000 people – mostly ethnic Albanians – were killed and thousands vanished during that war. Nato pushed the Serb troops out of the province and forced former Serb president Slobodan Milosevic to relinquish control of Kosovo. (That is an outright lie - more like under 5,000 dead from all sides)

Since then, Kosovo has remained officially part of Serbia-Montenegro, the successor state to Yugoslavia, but is administered by the UN mission and Nato-led peacekeepers. Negotiations on its final status are expected to begin this year.

Hundreds of those listed as missing from the war have been found in mass graves in Kosovo and Serbia, but the fate of about 3,000 missing is still to be determined.

Last month, Serbian and Kosovo officials resumed talks aimed at establishing the fate of ethnic Albanians, Serbs and others who vanished during the war – one of the most sensitive and emotionally charged issues between the two former foes.

The two sides signed a framework document and agreed to accept the Red Cross list of 2,960 still missing as their figure of reference. The officials agreed to meet again on June 9 in Pristina.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: balkanalqaeda; balkans; kfor; kla; kosovo; narcoterrorists; nato; un; unmik
Non-Albanians is a euphamisim for Serbs - the people the Clinton loving media said were the bad guys. Using the word "non-Albanian" is a way the media plays with the facts and shapes opinions.
1 posted on 04/18/2005 8:22:39 AM PDT by Destro
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To: Balkans

Never Forget.


2 posted on 04/18/2005 8:23:23 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Non-Albanians is a euphamisim for Serbs - the people the Clinton loving media said were the bad guys. Using the word "non-Albanian" is a way the media plays with the facts and shapes opinions.

Well said

3 posted on 04/18/2005 8:30:37 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Destro
The mass graves from this war uncover hundreds of bodies. The mass graves in Iraq uncover thousands (and there are more of them).

The left feel so good about themselves for their rescue efforts in Kosovo where casualties are, by some estimates, less than 10,000 but were willing to do nothing about the hundreds of thousands, most common estimate around 300,000, in Iraq.
4 posted on 04/18/2005 8:31:07 AM PDT by NeilGus
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To: Destro
Bump.

Return Kosovo to the Serbs, to whom it rightly belongs!

5 posted on 04/18/2005 8:31:27 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Destro
Bump.

Return Kosovo to the Serbs, to whom it rightly belongs!

6 posted on 04/18/2005 8:32:26 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son

Kind of funny how after all the former media attention paid to "mass graves" in Kosovo mostly contain dead Serbians.


7 posted on 04/18/2005 8:35:57 AM PDT by myheroesareDeadandRegistered (Ann Coulter/ Mark Levin tag team in '08)
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To: Destro
Yup Serbs made their own. Nor did the Serbian commander order his troops to rape and murder Muslim women while a dutch outfit of the UN stood and watched because their were rendered impotent by the UN. Yup Serbs were just all around nice guys.

Save the crap, Serbs were worse then the other factions, with none of them doing good things.
8 posted on 04/18/2005 8:37:02 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: DTA; FormerLib; Nennsy; mark502inf; Great Prophet Zarquon; Torie; Hoplite

Look what the innocent Albanians were doing.


9 posted on 04/18/2005 8:39:07 AM PDT by joan
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To: Destro
What does this imply wrt to the timing Destro. Usually they know about these things but wait until the opportune moment to take it up.

Wait a minute, talks surrounding the indepence of Kosovo are due to start this summer. Is this a spanner in the works.

10 posted on 04/18/2005 8:41:16 AM PDT by oilfieldtrash
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To: tfecw
Where is any DNA evidence of rapes? None have ever been presented. It is nothing but words and false accusations.

But if you know of any evidence, then please tell us. Find just one case, just one proven case with genuine evidence.

11 posted on 04/18/2005 8:41:53 AM PDT by joan
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To: tfecw

I cant see that your comments have anything to do with the content of the article.


12 posted on 04/18/2005 8:42:43 AM PDT by oilfieldtrash
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To: tfecw; Lion in Winter; Destro; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; vooch; ...
Yup Serbs made their own.

You sound just like Ward Churchill commenting on the 9/11 attacks.

13 posted on 04/18/2005 8:45:21 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: oilfieldtrash

He's got anti-Serb baseless propaganda on the brain.


14 posted on 04/18/2005 8:45:28 AM PDT by joan
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To: joan
No Joan i prefer to let you live in your fantasy world that the Serbians were tra-la-laing when the evil US and UN came in and destroyed utopia. I don't need DNA evidence, I have eye witness accounts. So whatever, have fun living in denial.
15 posted on 04/18/2005 8:46:24 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: Destro
About 500 Serbs and 200 members of other non-Albanian communities in Kosovo remain missing
According to the UN, I thought theses numbers are really low.
16 posted on 04/18/2005 8:47:31 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: tfecw

"Eye witness" accounts by whom, and how do you KNOW that they aren't lies or made up?


17 posted on 04/18/2005 8:47:48 AM PDT by joan
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To: FormerLib
That all you have? Call me churchill? If you are going to be an idiotic ass without of a shred of creativity, don't bother pinging me on it.
18 posted on 04/18/2005 8:47:51 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: Destro

The thing you gotta remeber about the Balkans is there aren't any good guys, just various shades of gray and black. That is not to say that we shouldn't hold people (guilty individuals, not communities) accountable, just that which ethinic group was lined up next to the mass grave and shot, and which ethinic group was standing 10 yards away with AK-47s had as much to do with the local balance of power as it did with who were the "good" guys.


19 posted on 04/18/2005 8:49:00 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: joan
It doesn't matter, anything i say you'll ask for more evidence. It's how you support your opinions and make it seem right in your mind. Have fun with that.
20 posted on 04/18/2005 8:50:05 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: tfecw

He's free to ping you since you've taken part in this discussion and made serious accusations with NO PROOF. Do you know the "eye witnesses"? Many "eye witnesses" in the Balkans are those coached before testifying, and many have been caught in lies and inconsistencies.


21 posted on 04/18/2005 8:50:38 AM PDT by joan
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To: tfecw; Pilsner

If I have to chose a side to help I will chose the side not linked with al-Qaeda and the heroin trade. Thank you.


22 posted on 04/18/2005 8:53:53 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: tfecw
What part of "NO personal abuse" don't you understand?

And sorry if your words do sound like Ward Churchill, but that's not my fault.

23 posted on 04/18/2005 8:55:43 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Destro

As the years go by, more and more of the "Clinton legacy" comes to light. It can't stay hidden forever.


24 posted on 04/18/2005 8:56:08 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: tfecw

Another stupid statement.


25 posted on 04/18/2005 8:57:31 AM PDT by montyspython
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To: tfecw
That's just your way of saying you have no evidence. You are just a big sucker for propaganda. The Bosnian Muslims have been caught in lie after lie after lie, and even UN soldiers have written and testified that they staged attacks.

After UN General Lewis MacKenzie said Muslims mentioned them staging attacks, they said he was a rapist of multiple Bosnian Muslim women. However, they never named the women, and said that the women were killed. How convenient. They didn't have to have any proof of their accusations.

The Bosnian government even convicted a Serb for murdering 2 Muslim brothers, who were discovered alive, after the war, by the Serb's uncle. The brothers had been in the Bosnian government army in Sarajevo, yet no Bosnian Muslim stepped forward to say they were living, not dead. That's what those people are - they will allow Serbs to be wrongly convicted and left rotting in jail. They have no real sense of truth or justice. They've always been tools of foreign countries and empires.

26 posted on 04/18/2005 8:57:48 AM PDT by joan
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To: FormerLib
I'm sorry if your words made you sound like and Idiotic Ass, but it's not my fault.
27 posted on 04/18/2005 8:58:15 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: joan
It doesn't matter, anything i say you'll ask for more evidence.

Yeah, how dare you ask for proof when the propaganda is being flung?

28 posted on 04/18/2005 8:58:32 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: tfecw

Still confused about the "NO personal abuse" concept, I see.


29 posted on 04/18/2005 8:59:21 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: joan
As someone pointed out there are no good guys. This notion to jump on the Serbian band wagon because they are either:
A Christians,
B not Muslim,
C No supported by the Clinton admin or UN, hence the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

It's all crap. The Serbians are covered in blood just as much as the other factions. Where's your evidence? You point out some stories, and i can do the same. Where does that gets us? No where. Have fun with the idea the Serbs where all around good guys.
31 posted on 04/18/2005 9:03:05 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: tfecw; joan
The Serbians are covered in blood just as much as the other factions.

So why are you here giving lip service to Clinton's policy of only bombing the Serbs in support of the Muslims?

33 posted on 04/18/2005 9:09:29 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: oso blanco

Thanks to Sandy Berger's little visit to the archives, we'll never know what Clinton knew nor when he knew it.


34 posted on 04/18/2005 9:11:16 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib
See the above post on your words in this one.

You've got me i'm a clinton spy. I'm one of the many plants here to insure his lies and misinformation are forever remembered.

Grow up. You want to forget the Serb's participation in the whole deal then go ahead. But your right we should have bombed them both. Or maybe we should have let them fight it out. Or just perhaps we should have let the Serbians finished cleaning out their country. It is theirs after all, and besides they wouldn't have the racial tension they have now right?
35 posted on 04/18/2005 9:13:00 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: tfecw
I figured it out through seeing and catching thousands of details, and seeing how the media deliberately went out of its way to lie: to blame Serbs for crimes that did not exist or were done by others.

They were perfectly slanted against the Serbs because they never accused the non-Serbs for crimes that were found not to happen.

Then you have the census results in Croatia which shows the Serb population in 2001 is down to less than 4.5% from over 12.2% before the war. Further, many Serbs are counted as being residents of Croatia even though they live in camps in Serbia and only simply registered with Croatia.

Bosnia refused to do a census in recent years despite all the other countries in the area: Slovenia, Croatia, Albania, Serbia, etc. doing one. Nonetheless figures show and increase in the percentage of Bosnian Muslims. Wouldn't genocide of one faction over another show the genocided group as shrinking percentage-wise? Same with Kosovo - the numbers of Albanians in Kosovo did not drop after the war vs. before the war, and their percentage rose.

36 posted on 04/18/2005 9:16:28 AM PDT by joan
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To: FormerLib; tfecw
tfecw: The Serbians are covered in blood just as much as the other factions.

FormerLib: So why are you here giving lip service to Clinton's policy of only bombing the Serbs in support of the Muslims

Oh Snap! High five, FormerLib! You just served, tfecw. What?

37 posted on 04/18/2005 9:16:33 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: tfecw
Or just perhaps we should have let the Serbians finished cleaning out their country.

Try getting your facts right, huh? Serbia was the most multi-ethnic region of the Former Yugoslavia and it remains so today while Kosovo had been purged of virtually all non-Albanians.

38 posted on 04/18/2005 9:19:14 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: tfecw; FormerLib
These "non-Albanians" were killed AFTER the war when Kosovo was under NATO's supposed protection. So your points are moot.
39 posted on 04/18/2005 9:20:23 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: tfecw
YOU claimed they were the worst amongst the three factions yet your belly aching now has been reduced down to "yeah well, there really were no good guys and bla bla bla...but I know they were the worst".

You have to come to the table armed with more than just sophomoric spurts of baseless mud slinging.

Put your thinking cap on for moment, reread your posts for a second and you may actually catch a glimpse of the typically erroneous logic that most of the citizenry in this country have been subjected to for the past 10 years.

The same blanket statement you just spun about "the Serbian bandwagon" and such is the same type of bandwagon that the MSM spun during the Balkan conflicts on the whole, "Serbs evil bad guys, everyone else good guys" (note: the exact opposite of your 'insightful' observation).

You just spun yourself into the corner of hypocrisy, crap it is indeed.

41 posted on 04/18/2005 9:30:22 AM PDT by montyspython
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To: oso blanco
If you want an honest opinion then don't ask loaded questions. But i'll pretend for a while that you didn't asking something like that and it was phrased along the lines of:

"Why do you think the US and UN decided to attack the serbs, and what do you think about the presumed ties to al Qaida."

Why? I don't know. The serbians were using soviet/russian equipment. Whether or not that implied a direct relationship, I dunno. That could have been a reason. Also the UN was their to protect the non-serbs. During the 1998-1999 era the serbs were winning so we went in and stopped them from doing so under the allegations of genocide. People here have pointed out they are either false (highly doubtful) or were overexagerated (plausible knowing the UN) I don't know why, I don't make those decisions I just live with them.
As for al Qaida, I would argue that al Qaida of 1998 and al Qaida of 2005 are two different beasts. The ties don't really mean that much because it's almost like comparing apples and oranges. If we are going to look at it that way then why would you propose backing communist soviet union supporters?
42 posted on 04/18/2005 9:32:52 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: tfecw; oso blanco
A) The old Yugoslavia was outside of the Warsaw pact - they were not military allies of the USSR.

B) The only difference between al-Qaeda of 1998 and al-Qaida of 2005 is that in 1998 is that al-Qaeda members -some of them Bosnian army vets some with Kosovo ties- were able to enter America unmolested in 1998-99 and allowed to plan out 9/11 without fear of being arrested during the Clinton admin.

43 posted on 04/18/2005 9:37:43 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

What was the nation of origin for most of the arms used by the Croatians and the Bosnias prior to the NATO counties supplying arms to those groups?

Hmmm, Soviet there too. So why is the suggestion that the Serbs were using Soviet arms mean anything?


44 posted on 04/18/2005 9:48:58 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: joan; tfecw

In 1946 the UN put the Serbian population of Kosovo at 90%
now it is less than 10%. How could there have been ethnic cleansing of the Albanians while the percentage of moslems grew by 800%? They would have to reproduce faster than fruit flies to achieve this.

tfecw Where are the mass graves of Albanians Clinton and Christianne told us about? Why have NONE of any significance been unveiled? Why would you believe a lyin' PoS like Clinton?


45 posted on 04/18/2005 9:49:17 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: tfecw

There are "eyewitness accounts" of 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians, fake moon landings, bigfoot, etc.


46 posted on 04/18/2005 10:29:04 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: Destro
Let's take a look, which Albanofaschist was in charge in the region of Klina....

"Ramush Haradinaj had overall command of the KLA forces in one of the KLA operational zones, called Dukagjin, in the western part of Kosovo bordering upon Albania and Montenegro. He was one of the most senior KLA leaders in Kosovo.

The Dukagjin Operational Zone encompassed the municipalities of Pec/Pejë, Decani/Deçan, Dakovica/Gjakovë, and part of the municipalities of Istok/Istog and Klina/Klinë. As such, the villages of Glodjane/Gllogjan, Dasinovac/Dashinoc, Dolac/Dollc, Ratis/Ratishë, Dubrava/Dubravë, Grabanica/Grabanicë, Locane/Lloçan, Babaloc/Baballoq, Rznic/Irzniq, Pozar/Pozhare, Zabelj/Zhabel, Zahac/Zahaq, Zdrelo/Zhdrellë, Gramocelj/Gramaqel, Dujak/Dujakë, Piskote/Piskotë, Pljancor/ Plançar, Nepolje/Nepolë, Kosuric/Kosuriq, Lodja/Loxhë, Barane/Baran, the Lake Radonjic/Radoniq area and Jablanica/Jabllanicë were under his command and control.

http://www.un.org/icty/indictment/english/har-ii050224e.htm

47 posted on 04/18/2005 11:22:55 AM PDT by dj_animal_2000
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To: tfecw
"If we are going to look at it that way then why would you propose backing communist soviet union supporters?"

This statement on it's own reveals the limits of your knowledge regarding Balkan affaris.

48 posted on 04/18/2005 11:42:12 AM PDT by montyspython
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To: montyspython

affaris = affairs


49 posted on 04/18/2005 2:33:45 PM PDT by montyspython
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To: Destro

(AP Photo/ Visar Kryeziu)


REUTERS/Hazir Reka


(AP Photo/ Visar Kryeziu)


(AP Photo/ Visar Kryeziu)

50 posted on 04/21/2005 12:35:22 PM PDT by joan
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