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Fossil turtles confound evolutionists (Creation vs. Evolution)
Answers in Genesis ^ | April 18, 2005 | Dr. Terry Mortenson

Posted on 04/18/2005 9:37:46 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

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1 posted on 04/18/2005 9:37:48 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
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To: gobucks; mikeus_maximus; MeanWestTexan; JudyB1938; isaiah55version11_0; bondserv; plain talk; ...

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You have been pinged because of your interest in matters of Creation vs. Evolution, Creation trumping evolution, and evolutionary fraud. Freep-mail me if you want on/off this list.


2 posted on 04/18/2005 9:38:26 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong. (1 Corinthians 16:13))
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Surely evolutionists have an explanation for this.


3 posted on 04/18/2005 9:40:03 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Pfftt...this isn't science. No Intelligent Design theorist has any data...blah, blah, blah...

Thought I'd save evolutionists some time :-)
4 posted on 04/18/2005 9:41:37 AM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Genesis 3 is not about a literal serpent, it is another name for the devil.


5 posted on 04/18/2005 9:41:38 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Not only are these turtle fossils contrary to the theory of perpetual and gradual evolutionary change...

Whose theory is that? That's not a part of evolutionary theory, this idea that organisms must always undergo change.

6 posted on 04/18/2005 9:41:39 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I believe that evolution is nothing but a fraud and it is something that is not worth believing in. As a Christian, I tend to believe in the Creationist side of things.


7 posted on 04/18/2005 9:41:41 AM PDT by GOPXtreme20
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To: DaveLoneRanger
All this evidence fits perfectly with the Bible's teaching that these algae, along with the rest of the creation, are only at most about 6,000 years old.

** groan **

8 posted on 04/18/2005 9:42:34 AM PDT by gdani
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To: DaveLoneRanger

If pressures on survival such as food supply, mating, population size and density, and environment remain fairly stable, as they would do for an aquatic creature that travels great distances through a variety of conditions, then the impetus for change would not be nearly as great as for land animals that face changing local climates, predatory threats and food supply issues. It makes good sense that the main line of turtles have not changed much over a long period.


9 posted on 04/18/2005 9:43:14 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (When we are tolerant, we should be careful to note whether it stems from convenience or conviction.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

BTTT


10 posted on 04/18/2005 9:44:54 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Not just turtles, look at cockroaches, sharks and alligators/crocs, they are pretty much the same as well. Whelp you sure proved us wrong. Way to ignore everything but sea turtle fossils to stick to the evolustionsists.Now if excuse me i need to go rethink my interpretation of how the world was started.


11 posted on 04/18/2005 9:45:55 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
It's no more surprising that a well-adapted species would remain essentially unchanged for a hundred million years than it is to see parallel evolution of species to fill similar niches in highly separated locations, such as the rabbit-like marsupial that evolved in Australia.

I am not interested in arguing about evolution. An infinitely powerful God could do creation any way he chose.

The Resurrection is the defining event of Christianity. Arguing over lesser issues is pointless.

12 posted on 04/18/2005 9:46:21 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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The fossils are “;believed”; to be 110 millions years old. But contrary to evolutionary expectations, they look “;basically the same as sea turtles do today.”;

I don’t think “evolutionists” are the confounded ones.

It’s just a particularly successful and resilient species of turtle. It’s found it’s niche and has been successfully exploiting it for 110 million years.

He’s probably not a very tasty turtle, which works out well for him.

13 posted on 04/18/2005 9:46:26 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Evidence? Everything else in the chapter is rhetorically literal. I believe it is there as well- it's a physical form he took. OTOH, Revelation, which is primarily figurative after chapter 1, refers to satan as "that serpent of old"-- an allusion to his appearance in Genesis but not his current physical state.


14 posted on 04/18/2005 9:47:18 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Amen.


15 posted on 04/18/2005 9:48:08 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (When we are tolerant, we should be careful to note whether it stems from convenience or conviction.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Let's take a look at what the article REALLY says...

Fossils Shed Light on Sea Turtle Evolution
AFP

Feb. 24, 2005 — Australian scientists Wednesday announced the discovery of a dozen fossils from some of the earliest species of sea turtle, which are believed to be 110 million years old.

Paleontologist Ben Kear said the fossils, found late last year in the northeastern state of Queensland, would help scientists understand why sea turtles have remained virtually unchanged for over 100 million years.

“ Sea turtles have hit on the winning design and they've stuck to it. ”

"For all intents and purposes, if you were to see one (it) would look basically the same as sea turtles do today," Kear said.

"Sea turtles have hit on the winning design and they've stuck to it. They've cracked the winning code, as it were, and it's enabled them to survive when other creatures haven't," he said.

"They're one of the success stories of marine evolution. If you think about the marine animals that became extinct, well why did sea turtles survive? That's the sort of question we can look at now."

Kear of the South Australia Museum said the initial find in far western Queensland included parts from 12 different turtles, and that excavations were continuing.

The fossils were taken to the museum, where scientists hope to find out about the ancient animals' diets and why they appear to have resisted climate change.

"What are sea turtles related to? Are they threatened by things like climate change?" he asked.

"We're just beginning to find out the basics and build information on the really big picture stuff."

The sea turtle fossils are believed to be the oldest found since a single skeleton thought to be 115 million years old was discovered in Brazil in 1998.

"The earliest fossils we know come from Brazil and this consisted of a single skeleton ... then about five million years later in the fossil record we get them in Australia," Kear told ABC radio.

"But we don't just get one — we get hundreds. So what we're looking at is a really, really good cross section of what (are) the earliest sea turtles in the world."

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Let's not forget the sharks, either, or eels, and several other evolutionary strategies that have worked..

And let's not forget that these are the "survivors", those left after catastrophic events that affected life on a planetary scale..

I have no problem with evolution..
It's working exactly the way God planned it to..


16 posted on 04/18/2005 9:49:28 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Don't you worry the atheist nuts will think of something. And believe me the explanation will contain strange words the dictionary will have trouble deciphering


17 posted on 04/18/2005 9:52:50 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

More and more, Creationists are coming across in much the same way as UFO nuts. See a light in the sky that cannot be immediately explained? Well, it's PROOF! All those claims of lights in the sky being caused by "airplanes" or "balloons" are all part of the conspiracy.


18 posted on 04/18/2005 9:55:14 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Er...no...most of the sharks living today are pretty much unchanged from 100 million years ago. Sometimes things just got about as good as they could be for their niche real early. Everything else evolved and left a fossil record.


19 posted on 04/18/2005 9:55:44 AM PDT by johnmilken
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

"I am not interested in arguing about evolution. An infinitely powerful God could do creation any way he chose."


works for me.


20 posted on 04/18/2005 9:56:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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