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The Truth about the "Hollywood Ten"
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | April 18, 2005 | Art Eckstein

Posted on 04/18/2005 10:47:45 AM PDT by Liz

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To: Borges
None of the HUAC committee or staff (which originally included Congressman Richard M. Nixon) has written memorably on the events of 1947 and 1951, let alone on the later, smaller investigations.

Maybe not, but Bill Buckley wrote one, The Committee and Its Critics, that the left has never been able to refute.

151 posted on 04/18/2005 10:59:50 PM PDT by pasquale
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To: Borges
Oh, sorry, I must have missed that.

Yes, he wasted a great amount of time and his talent, being a quite rabid Stalinist, to the end of his days.

152 posted on 04/18/2005 11:00:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

It mirrored the life of the existential detective, concommitant with the downfall of civilized society very well. If people watch it for the chase scene, so be it.


153 posted on 04/18/2005 11:02:53 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Baynative
There is a fantastic new film out. It is from Scotland called, Dear Frankie.

It is an awesome movie. Very well written, a great story. I just saw it this past weekend and was very impressed.

And, imagine this (!)no sex or violence or nudity.

154 posted on 04/18/2005 11:03:46 PM PDT by It's me
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To: nopardons

I'm getting tired.


155 posted on 04/18/2005 11:04:21 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: nopardons

Charade is pure class from beginning to end.


156 posted on 04/18/2005 11:04:57 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Borges

I learn every day.


157 posted on 04/18/2005 11:06:43 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: nopardons

I'm off to bed. See you tomorrow.


158 posted on 04/18/2005 11:10:21 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Liz

I am considering doing my "America and the World since 1930" research paper on the McCarthy hearings etc. based on hearing a couple years ago new documents provide support for the idea that communists were infiltrating the govt.

If anybody has some good articles on the subject, scholarly in nature, I would appreciate it. But, don't do a Google search or something; I am just wanting anything you already have you think is good, not for you to do the internet search for me.


159 posted on 04/18/2005 11:10:39 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: rwfromkansas

BTW, I am aware the the HUAC and McCarthy were totally different things, but if anybody has articles on either one, but especially McCarthy and the Senate, I would appreciate a link.


160 posted on 04/18/2005 11:13:15 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: international american

Oh...well, I never much cared for that movie,but perhaps I should give it anoyther look-see.


161 posted on 04/18/2005 11:13:52 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: international american

Oh...well, I never much cared for that movie,but perhaps I should give it anoyther look-see.


162 posted on 04/18/2005 11:13:55 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: international american

Then go to bed...I'm off in a bit as well.


163 posted on 04/18/2005 11:14:42 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: international american

I agree!


164 posted on 04/18/2005 11:15:08 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Calpernia
Nighty night!

If not tomorrow, the when I get back.

165 posted on 04/18/2005 11:15:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Liz

Long read, but outstanding. If anything, I'm even more determined to not support Hollywood. They may not be official CPUSA members, but it's pretty darned clear where the money goes and the blatant propaganda in today's film. I'm not even interested in supporting the films that aren't propagandized, because the money winds up in the same place.


166 posted on 04/18/2005 11:16:18 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: nopardons; Calpernia

You might like this one too.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0021,harkavy,15052,5.html
Wal-Mart’s First Lady
Hillary’s Past Belies Her Support of Labor


167 posted on 04/19/2005 2:59:36 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Borges

This thread was posted on the communist infiltration of Hollywood, i.e., art and media used to advance an agenda.

Maybe you didn't understand my 'drawing in' reference. If I had an agenda, I would create movies to build a following. Then I would slowly introduce my talking points/messages/lines of thought into them once I have a following. And I wouldn't do it all at once, it would slowly be introduced.

I'm not debating film makers specifically. I don't follow art and media. I'm telling you how marketing and propaganda works.

And no, I won't be nice to you. You have already posted your thoughts on 'fashionable' communism. You will never earn my respect.


168 posted on 04/19/2005 5:34:28 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: nopardons; Fedora

Pssst, Fedora...

Party at nopardon's house while she is on vacation!

I'll bring the capucciano!


169 posted on 04/19/2005 5:36:01 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: calcowgirl

Thank you for that link!

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0021,harkavy,15052,5.html
Wal-Mart’s First Lady
Hillary’s Past Belies Her Support of Labor

There are a few things in there that supports my thoughts that I had here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1386052/posts?page=110#110


170 posted on 04/19/2005 5:47:36 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Liz
Senator Joseph McCarthy was absolutely right.

Records from the Soviet Union recently released show that McCarthy was right on about Communist infiltration into our government and into Hollywood.

The Media lied to us when they started to attack McCarthy....because they were communists or supported communist policies here in the US.

McCarthy is an American Hero and should be recognized as so.

171 posted on 04/19/2005 5:52:08 AM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Liz

The Hollywood Ten aside, it's a free country. See the movies you like, skip the ones you don't.

If there was no Hollywood there would be no Mel Gibson.


172 posted on 04/19/2005 5:57:07 AM PDT by veronica (CP=LP+FU+DU+FW=GOP-bashing KOOKS...)
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To: Fedora

Very good post.


173 posted on 04/19/2005 6:02:46 AM PDT by kingsurfer
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To: nopardons

Assuming that you've read the book, will you not share one crime committeed by at least one of the blacklisted Hollywood 10? That was the original question, not what the "American commies" did. I'm not really looking for you do my research for me, as what I've read about a few of these folks tends to make me think they were guilty of thought crimes.


174 posted on 04/19/2005 6:04:34 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Radioactive

Ann Coulter's recent book makes the case so well.


175 posted on 04/19/2005 6:07:46 AM PDT by Liz (One of it's most compelling tenets is Catholicism's acknowledgement of individual free will.)
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To: Calpernia; Borges
If I had an agenda, I would create movies to build a following. Then I would slowly introduce my talking points/messages/lines of thought into them once I have a following. And I wouldn't do it all at once, it would slowly be introduced.

Filmmakers are master manipulators of unsuspecting audiences. They do not use sledgehammers to get their points across It's all done very subtly.

Film is one of the most effective ways to proselytize. The world's most notorious villain--Adolf Hitler--who has no peer in the annals of criminality---was very aware of the value of good propaganda to advance his hidden political agenda. In an official act, he appointed filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl to produce Nazi propaganda films and gave her a free hand to build the technicolor myth of Hitler-as-savior----thus facilitating the heinous, genocidal Nazi juggernaut.

176 posted on 04/19/2005 6:32:26 AM PDT by Liz (One of it's most compelling tenets is Catholicism's acknowledgement of individual free will.)
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To: Liz

bump!


177 posted on 04/19/2005 6:36:37 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
I didn't say that I thought ii was fashionable I said that was the climate of thought at the time amongst intellectuals. That's a fact. Can you distinguish between qualitative and descriptive statements? If I told you that Nazism was popular in Germany in the 30s would assume that I'm a Nazi?
178 posted on 04/19/2005 7:40:13 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Liz
None of Riefenstahl's features for the Nazis (Triumph of the Will, Olympiad) were in color. It just shows how art can surpass propaganda. From a technical standpoint Riefenstahl was a great film maker. When she visited Hollywood in the 1930s Walt Disney was the only studio head who would see her and her influence is apparent in stuff like Bambi and Pinocchio.
179 posted on 04/19/2005 7:47:13 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

I just reviewed your posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1386052/posts?page=60#60

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1386052/posts?page=64#64

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1386052/posts?page=65#65

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1386052/posts?page=68#68

No it is not clear at all that you were making a qualitative statement from the way you defend the 'free speech' of people being part of a fashionable communist click.

But I will lend you the benefit of doubt and apologize for assuming you were stating it as fashionable.

But I don't get warm fuzzies from you defending them.

Ciao.


180 posted on 04/19/2005 7:50:55 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
I concede that I was not as clear as I should have been. What I meant was that artists shouldn't be persecuted even if they do have far left wing beliefs. That's all. I wasn't defending the practical value of those beliefs. I immigrated to the U.S. from the Soviet Union in the 1970s and would be the last person on Earth to be a Communist. :-) Regards.
181 posted on 04/19/2005 7:57:17 AM PDT by Borges
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To: MACVSOG68

Ann Coulter's description of the hearings really took me by suprise. I took McCarthy to be a red-mongering witch hunter as the liberal history writers would like me to accept. After all, I never heard any OTHER interpretation of those events.

After I read her book, I did some research, downloaded the transcripts of the hearings from the appropriate government web site that makes them available, and then I sat and read through them.

I must say...her version sounds a lot more like what is reflected in the transcripts than anything I had ever heard over the years, and by a long shot, too.

I now believe Joseph McCarthy was a real American hero. As Ann Coulter said in her book, he bought us time, and made being a Communist a stain, as it should have been. Our country owes him a lot. We should honor his service as faithfully as any serviceman who lost his life in combat, which in my opinion, he did, if you know how he died.


182 posted on 04/19/2005 8:04:40 AM PDT by rlmorel
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To: rlmorel
That was a great post. Pardon me while I emphasize it.

Ann Coulter's description of the hearings really took me by suprise. I took McCarthy to be a red-mongering witch hunter as the liberal history writers would like me to accept. After all, I never heard any OTHER interpretation of those events.

After I read her book, I did some research, downloaded the transcripts of the hearings from the appropriate government web site that makes them available, and then I sat and read through them.

I must say...her version sounds a lot more like what is reflected in the transcripts than anything I had ever heard over the years, and by a long shot, too.

I now believe Joseph McCarthy was a real American hero. As Ann Coulter said in her book, he bought us time, and made being a Communist a stain, as it should have been. Our country owes him a lot. We should honor his service as faithfully as any serviceman who lost his life in combat, which in my opinion, he did, if you know how he died.

183 posted on 04/19/2005 8:25:26 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Borges; Grampa Dave; Calpernia; Fedora; Blurblogger; geedee; George Smiley; trisham; Radioactive

Please. I used the word "technicolor" as a writing device to emphasize a point, not to suggest Riefenstahl's work was in color. Why don't you try to think bigger thoughts, instead of relying on your ambitious provincialism?

BTW, that Disney was the only one to meet with Riefenstahl is a popular agenda-centric myth.


Most interesting is the number of German emigres who settled in Hollywood through the help of networks. Hollywood mogul Carl Laemmle helped fellow Germans out during the Nazi era. By one researcher’s account, Laemmle provided at least 300 affidavits, documents that guaranteed that an applicant for a US visa would be employed in Hollywood (and not become a public charge).

This concentrated milieu of immigrants had an inordinate and profound influence on films for years to come.


184 posted on 04/19/2005 8:44:06 AM PDT by Liz (One of it's most compelling tenets is Catholicism's acknowledgement of individual free will.)
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To: Liz
Please. I used the word "technicolor" as a writing device to emphasize a point, not to suggest Riefenstahl's work was in color. Why don't you try to think bigger thoughts, instead of relying on your ambitious provincialism?

Sorry about the midunderstanding.

BTW, that Disney was the only one to meet with Riefenstahl is a popular agenda-centric myth.

Here's one source:

"For her Hollywood stay Riefenstahl booked a bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Despite a hostile press and the billboard equivalent of “Leni Go Home!,” the world's most famous (or infamous) female director gained an audience with Walt Disney, although he did refuse her offer of a private showing of Olympia. He was just too afraid of a possible boycott of Disney films. Other studio heads treated her like the pariah she had become, refusing to see her at all. An invitation to meet with Gary Cooper was suddenly and “regretfully” cancelled. Even Disney would later make the unconvincing claim that he hadn't known who Riefenstahl really was."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/lriefenstahl.html

This concentrated milieu of immigrants had an inordinate and profound influence on films for years to come.

I agree. What's your point? Immigrants often appreicate the greatness of America more then the native born.
185 posted on 04/19/2005 8:53:19 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Liz

Lillian Hellman was a stupid communist who defended Stalin until Kruschev denounced him. She wasn't just a liberal she was a communist till the end. Whether the blacklist was as perfasive as this article suggests or not, she was still defending a country that was enslaving millions and wanted to the same thing to the US. It's as if a present day actor was defending Bin Laden.


186 posted on 04/19/2005 8:53:38 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: what's up
He wasn't guilty of communism, just contempt of Congress, is that not right?

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That is not right. Americans have the right to be quiet. He invoked that right. btw...how is one guilty of communism? When did belonging to any party become a crime in the USA?

187 posted on 04/19/2005 10:35:17 AM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: Skywalk
Perhaps Mr. DaSilva was wronged. But many men have been sent to prison for crimes they DID NOT commit. THat doesn't mean we should change our minds on theft, murder, rape and the like or the necessity for going after (In some way, shape or form) those responsible....

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Pleae show me where I even hinted that my thoughts include what you wrote in your second paragraph.

188 posted on 04/19/2005 10:37:16 AM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: wtc911

The issue is that people belonged not just to a home grown American radical leftist party but the Soviet Communist Party which was actively working to overthrow the American goverment.


189 posted on 04/19/2005 11:07:58 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

No, the issue in all my posts is that Howard DaSilva was black listed for ten years with not even the accusation that he ever was a member of the communist or any party.


190 posted on 04/19/2005 11:11:49 AM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: wtc911
Oh I know. My contention has always been that apart from a select few most of the blacklisted film artists were political dilettantes going wherever the chic wind was blowing and did not pose a threat to national security.
191 posted on 04/19/2005 11:21:26 AM PDT by Borges
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To: dmz
Of the 10 listed as the Hollywood 10, is there any freeper commenting on this thread who can point to a crime than any one of them committed?

In my mind, they were no worse than that neo-nazi professor who recently got sh!t-canned by his university once his political ideas were exposed. As for the Hollywood 10, their "unpopular ideas" were simply that the US should abolish the constitution and adopt Soviet-style communism. Personally, I think "freedom of speech" ends when someone is advocating the abolition of the First Amendment.

These guys were all guilty of contempt of congress and got off easy for it. If you've ever watched the video tape of their "testimony," you know that they wanted to create a national media circus to help advance the cause. If you ask me, they all should have been thrown in jail.
192 posted on 04/19/2005 11:50:49 AM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: wtc911
Get it? No work for ten years because of what someone else said about him...that's not right.

He should have testified before Congress. Remaining silent wasn't an option--it was contempt of Congress. Based on his reaction, I'd say he probably was a communist.
193 posted on 04/19/2005 11:53:21 AM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: Liz; All
VERY relevant thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1386807/posts
'Schindler's List' Co-Producer Sentenced
194 posted on 04/19/2005 12:13:49 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: dmz
It would help if you even knew what you were talking about. The blacklist did not originate with the government. It was the studios. Do the studios have a right to hire whomever they choose? It's called capitalism, baby. Hire a known communist, nobody goes to see your movie, and that's a lot of money down the drain. As for the precious little angels who refused to comply with a Congressional committee and were thus jailed for contempt, I'm sorry if they aren't above you or me. We'd be jailed for the same thing. And if you'll read the linked article, that son-of-a-bitch Trumbo was gladly willing to name names when it helped the Soviets. He named people who sought out his own book because he had disavowed said book once Hitler invaded Poland. To Hell with these people. They took a pledge to defend the Soviet Union against the United States if it came to that, everything they did was in support of the Soviet Union, and I'm not too broken up about Congress bringing that information to light. Interestingly, they didn't cry foul when HUAC was investigating the KKK.
195 posted on 04/19/2005 12:14:00 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: Rastus
Interesting fact...in 1941 there was a Senate subcommittee formed to investigate 'warmongers' (read: Jews) in Hollywood who were supposedly making films to propagandize Americans enter the current European war. After Pearl Harbor it was quickly disbanded.
196 posted on 04/19/2005 12:30:22 PM PDT by Borges
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To: wtc911
how is one guilty of communism?

Your not. That's my point. Lefties often think that this is what the Ten were charged with. This is not true. It was contempt of Congress...the fact that they did not cooperate was their crime.

197 posted on 04/19/2005 12:33:35 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Rastus

It would help if you would read before ranting. Just a thought.


198 posted on 04/19/2005 12:48:48 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Liz

The list will be way longer this time around most people making movies in Hollywood are very Un-american.


199 posted on 04/19/2005 12:50:37 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Antoninus
Da Silva mey well have been a party member but he was never officially accused of anything and never convicted of contempt of congress. The HUAC Hollywood hearings was a blot on our freedoms of association and speech. Equating a studio actor (somebody with zero power of any kind) with anyone like the Rosenbergs (genuine traitors and deservedly executed)doesn't make the injustice any less distasteful to those who respect those freedoms.

My opimion on this has nothing to do with communism, it is all about the rights of speech and association.

200 posted on 04/19/2005 12:52:02 PM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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