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Minuteman founder leaving border early but volunteers to remain [Minuteman Project declares victory]
Associated Press ^ | 18 Apr 2005 | Arthur Rotstein

Posted on 04/18/2005 2:39:17 PM PDT by Spiff

Minuteman founder leaving border early but volunteers to remain

By Arthur H. Rotstein

ASSOCIATED PRESS

1:32 p.m. April 18, 2005

TUCSON, Ariz. – The chief organizer of civilian volunteers who are spending the month watching for illegal immigrants and smugglers along the Mexican border is pulling out of the Minuteman Project early, a project official said Monday.

Jim Gilchrist, a retired accountant from California, will leave Arizona on Wednesday and plans to appear before the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus next week in Washington. He will be taking the official Minuteman Project name and a group of volunteers.

"He is claiming victory ... so he felt it would be appropriate to wrap up his participation this week and prepare to go to Washington," said Chris Simcox, the project's field operations director.

Simcox, who also plans to be in Washington next week, said Gilchrist isn't severing his ties to the project or with other organizers.

Despite Gilchrist's departure and Simcox's temporary absence, Simcox said patrols will continue as planned until April 30, albeit under the name of Simcox's organization – Civil Homeland Defense.

The volunteers, some of whom are armed, arrived on April 1 and began spreading out a few days later along a 23-mile stretch of desert between the border communities of Naco and Douglas. They alert authorities when they see someone cross the border illegally, but are not allowed to detain anyone.

Law enforcement officials have said they fear the project will lead to vigilante violence, an accidental confrontation between armed volunteers and authorities, or a dangerous encounter with the violent smugglers who use the area.

The volunteers claim their reports have led the Border Patrol to more than 260 illegal immigrants. The Border Patrol has acknowledged receiving more than 300calls from Naco and Douglas, resulting in hundreds of apprehensions, but the agency will not say whether any calls came from project volunteers.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderintruders; borderinvasion; criminalinvaders; gilchrist; mmp
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We win and the project will continue and spread. Now the word is being taken to Washington.
1 posted on 04/18/2005 2:39:20 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: Spiff

certainly got folks' attention in ol' mechico.


2 posted on 04/18/2005 2:40:51 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: Spiff

When is the bunch In Yuma due to get to work?


3 posted on 04/18/2005 2:41:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: Spiff

Another incredibly misleading headline. It sounds like he's bailing out on the Minutemen. Instead, he's just leaving to go to represent the group in Washington.


4 posted on 04/18/2005 2:43:55 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: Spiff

Thank you all for what you have done so far!!!

Will you be going to Washington?

Sean Hannity is supposed to be having his show from down there tonight with J.D. Hayworth---

BTW, what is your take on the veteran that held that group of illegals at gunpoint and then called 911?--got himself arrested for it, I think...


5 posted on 04/18/2005 2:44:32 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice!)
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To: cripplecreek
Yuma has already had at least one patrol. They're only patrolling on weekends.

Chris Simcox has been to Yuma to train people there on how to do this. I don't know if the same people are involved with the Yuma Patriots though.

6 posted on 04/18/2005 2:44:33 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Joann37
Another incredibly misleading headline. It sounds like he's bailing out on the Minutemen. Instead, he's just leaving to go to represent the group in Washington.

That's why I added the tag at the end. The original headline was garbage but posting guidelines demanded that I leave it intact.

7 posted on 04/18/2005 2:45:29 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Spiff

I didn't mean your doings, Spiff. I just meant the way it was originally written in the article you referenced.


8 posted on 04/18/2005 2:52:25 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: Spiff

You can always depend on the media to lie and distort.


9 posted on 04/18/2005 2:52:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Spiff
I guess it takes a journalism grad to be able to figure out a title that's 180 degrees out from the actual story. Don't you think something like...

"MM Co-Founder to Testify before Congressional Committee"

is a bit better? Libs make me puke.

Nam Vet

10 posted on 04/18/2005 2:56:08 PM PDT by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: Spiff

The volunteers, some of whom are armed...

I've noticed this is the ALWAYS the first seven words written when the MSM reports on the minutemen..what a bunch of wahoos!


11 posted on 04/18/2005 2:57:34 PM PDT by Iron Matron
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To: HiJinx

ping


12 posted on 04/18/2005 2:58:39 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Txsleuth

Sean Hannity needs to get educated a little more. He talks about terrorists as the problem and about legalizing the illegals.

I was on the border yesterday and know that we cannot sustain the influx of any people at the rate they are coming, legally or illegally. It is destroying both cultures to allow this to happen and the the only beneficiaries are the employers.

Maybe Sean is kissing?????????????????


13 posted on 04/18/2005 3:07:27 PM PDT by amihow
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To: Spiff

Mr Bush needs to wake up and see that Fox is peeing down his leg and telling him its raining.


14 posted on 04/18/2005 3:07:40 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Spiff

Thanks for keeping us all in the loop. I know the Ranchers down there are appreciative.


15 posted on 04/18/2005 3:09:29 PM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Spiff
Exactly what Jim Gilchrists' stated goal was from the outset,kudos to the Minuteman.

Should be "must see t.v." in Washington next week.

Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus

16 posted on 04/18/2005 3:20:07 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: Spiff

http://www.kevinboone.com/citizens_arrest.html


17 posted on 04/18/2005 3:23:44 PM PDT by KDD (just the facts please)
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To: amihow

Maybe Sean is kissing?????? Oh absolutely he is kissing a$$!!!


18 posted on 04/18/2005 3:33:23 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Spiff
Re-read the last two paragraphs. Local law enforcement and the U.S. Border Patrol will absolutely NOT give the Minutemen credit for anything at all, ever.

This negative attitude from LE is in ALL articles I read, not just those written by liberals.

Jealousy, or what?

Leni

19 posted on 04/18/2005 3:39:46 PM PDT by MinuteGal ("The Marines keep coming. We are shooting, but the Marines won't stop !" (Fallujah Terrorists)
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To: Spiff
Mote bad news for MMP
20 posted on 04/18/2005 3:44:45 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: MinuteGal
Turfguarding. Minuteman Project makes the brass look as inept as they are. LEO, as far as I have seen, is limited to the sheriffs. Rank and file BP have come out in favor of citizen patrols, AFAIK.
21 posted on 04/18/2005 3:47:12 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Ben Ficklin

This crap has been reported before and it is....crap. Minuteman Project isn't even operating in Douglas. I guess these businesses rely upon drooling morons - yup, gotta protect that drooling moron demographic.


22 posted on 04/18/2005 3:51:09 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Travis McGee; wardaddy; Boot Hill; in the Arena; Marine Inspector; HiJinx; shellshocked; ...

Especially whenever the subject matter demands politically correct handling...


23 posted on 04/18/2005 3:55:36 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Spiff

Are you saying that the man that owns the tack shop is a liar, drooler, moron?


24 posted on 04/18/2005 3:55:49 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: amihow

Actually, the way that Hannity "phrases" his concern, ie. terrorists after 9/11, is about the only way you will hear Congress talk about this, except for some really smart, brave Republicans---

I predice Jeff Sessions may be one.

The problem is ALL of them are politicians that need votes and none of them would want to offend the Mexican-American vote---therefore, they will frame it as a "terrorism" problem rather than a societal problem (which bothers me a lot).


25 posted on 04/18/2005 3:59:43 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice!)
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Law enforcement officials have said they fear the project will lead to vigilante violence, an accidental confrontation between armed volunteers and authorities, or a dangerous encounter with the violent smugglers who use the area.

Arthur Rotstein has concrete evidence that the press' fears were not to be realized, and yet he still parrots the AP's hoped-or outcome.

He must think this is to a self-fulfilling prophecy.

26 posted on 04/18/2005 4:08:41 PM PDT by HiJinx (My Momma tol' me that if you gotta sneak, you're wrong...and you know it.)
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To: MinuteGal
Local law enforcement and the U.S. Border Patrol will absolutely NOT give the Minutemen credit for anything at all, ever

That's probably more Presstitution in action, Leni. I just pinged a WND article that says the BP Union's website is praising the MMP, and goes directly against Andrea Zortman's (Naco BP supervisor) comment in the Houston Chronicle that said the agents were lying.

Also, I'm very much aware of our local Sheriff's feelings and I don't believe Rotstein is portraying him honestly.

27 posted on 04/18/2005 4:14:15 PM PDT by HiJinx (My Momma tol' me that if you gotta sneak, you're wrong...and you know it.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Good afternoon.

Ben, citing anything coming out of Corvallis about anything patriotic makes you look foolish and uninformed.

Of course I apologize profusely if I missed that you were being sarcastic

Michael Frazier
28 posted on 04/18/2005 4:18:18 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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Are you saying that the man that owns the tack shop is a liar, drooler, moron?

Actually, Ben, we're dealing with a non sequitor here. Legal commerce between citizens in border towns is the topic of the article at the link you posted. (That is what you were linking to, right?)

The MMP is about illegal aliens sneaking into the country.

Apples and oranges.

You do see that, don't you?

29 posted on 04/18/2005 4:20:45 PM PDT by HiJinx (My Momma tol' me that if you gotta sneak, you're wrong...and you know it.)
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Are you saying that the man that owns the tack shop is a liar, drooler, moron?

If his business was pandering to illegals, and it's now decreased, that's what he gets for not being an honest and LEGAL proprieter. Read my tag line and add dishonest, disloyal proprieters. Mexican's don't come here to spend money, the exchange rate is worthless, we go to Mexico to buy cheap goods.

30 posted on 04/18/2005 4:23:13 PM PDT by ozarkgirl (Illegals and OBLís - profiting from the destruction of America with no visible signs of remorse.)
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To: Spiff

"The volunteers, some of whom are armed..."


LOL

i always imagine these limp wristed presstitute types squirming and breaking out in a cold sweat as they imagine the HORROR of some Americans packing.. maybe even wetting themselves.. lol..


31 posted on 04/18/2005 4:26:55 PM PDT by sdpatriot (remember waco and ruby ridge)
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To: Ben Ficklin

What's your point?


32 posted on 04/18/2005 4:28:32 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: Ben Ficklin

>>the tack shop is a liar, drooler, moron?<<

You are the one who brought the slanderous terminology into the debate.

Is that your opinion of the man?


33 posted on 04/18/2005 4:29:54 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
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To: ozarkgirl
Mexican's don't come here to spend money, the exchange rate is worthless,

You know what's really spooky? They do come here, and they do spend tons of money. Our Wal-Mart in Sierra Vista sells boat-loads of electronics, CDs, hardware, clothing, you name it that goes back across the border. One of the questions I've never heard mgmt answer is why do they bypass the Douglas store, 200 yds. from the Port of Entry, and spend their dollars in Sierra Vista, 50 miles away?

That doesn't change the fact that the MMP is about illegal aliens and the article Ben pinged is about legal shoppers.

34 posted on 04/18/2005 4:34:53 PM PDT by HiJinx (My Momma tol' me that if you gotta sneak, you're wrong...and you know it.)
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To: brazzaville

Its AP


35 posted on 04/18/2005 4:36:46 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: HiJinx

Forget the lunatic left media ~ they are irrelevant!


36 posted on 04/18/2005 4:44:02 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: B4Ranch

#22


37 posted on 04/18/2005 4:46:02 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: HiJinx
Cause and effect.

You can't win for losing.

38 posted on 04/18/2005 4:47:02 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Are you saying that the man that owns the tack shop is a liar, drooler, moron?

No, fool. Go read what I said again.

I said his customer are obviously morons because they stupidly think that a.)the Minuteman Project is a bunch of evil, gun-toting vigilantes who might do them harm and b.)the Minuteman Project is even operating in Douglas.

39 posted on 04/18/2005 4:47:08 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Spiff
A big thanks goes to you and to all who are standing in the gap for those of us who can't be there. It's an incredibly brave thing you have done. It's very dangerous, and those of us who live in a border state know only too well, just how dangerous it really is.

That said, will you move on over to NM when you're through? LOL!

40 posted on 04/18/2005 4:47:52 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..)
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To: Spiff

Therefore, it is ok if business is off?


41 posted on 04/18/2005 4:50:15 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Spiff

I REALLY had hopes of this just being the beginning for the MMP, just hope it doesn't fizzle out after the hearings.


42 posted on 04/18/2005 4:51:30 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: B4Ranch

Apology issued.


43 posted on 04/18/2005 4:52:17 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
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To: Ben Ficklin
Therefore, it is ok if business is off?

As you have amply demonstrated, there's no accounting for the actions of morons. A slight drop in moron traffic to local businesses is a good tradeoff for calling attention to our intolerable border security problems.

Plus, Douglas is a corrupt mess. They could slide off the face of the planet (or at least Cochise County) and we'd all cheer.

44 posted on 04/18/2005 4:57:41 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Spiff

You call a 30% drop a slight drop?


45 posted on 04/18/2005 5:05:31 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
You call a 30% drop a slight drop?

For a one month period - yes. Secondly, I don't trust the numbers.

46 posted on 04/18/2005 5:14:01 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Good evening.
"It's AP"

There you are, proof that I was right about Corvallis.

Michael Frazier
47 posted on 04/18/2005 5:14:21 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Spiff
Picture here (Israeli girls buying Ice Cream) would really freak those gun fearing presstitutes to death. Wish I knew how to post pics. (sigh)

Nam Vet

48 posted on 04/18/2005 5:14:56 PM PDT by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: Nam Vet

oops link here ----> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1384987/posts


49 posted on 04/18/2005 5:15:51 PM PDT by Nam Vet (MSM reporters think the MOIST dream they had the night before is a "reliable source".)
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To: Spiff

Lou Dobbs did a great story on this tonight. Jim is leaving to pursue employers who hire illegal aliens and to get the rest of the border states organized with volunteers to protect both the northern and souther borders. This movement is catching on like wildfire.


50 posted on 04/18/2005 5:21:11 PM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida (Ooorahhhh........Get Some! Semper Fi')
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