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Ratzinger a Nazi? Don't believe it
Jerusalem Post ^ | Apr. 18, 2005 | Sam Ser

Posted on 04/19/2005 9:52:18 AM PDT by Alouette

London's Sunday Times would have us believe that one of the leading contenders for the papacy is a closet Nazi. In if-only-they-knew tones, the newspaper informs readers that German-born Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was a member of the Hitler Youth during World War II and suggests that, because of this, the "panzer cardinal" would be quite a contrast to his predecessor, John Paul II.

The article also classifies Ratzinger as a "theological anti-Semite" for believing in Jesus so strongly that – gasp! – he thinks that everyone, even Jews, should accept him as the messiah.

To all this we should say, "This is news?!" As the Sunday Times article admits, Ratzinger's membership in the Hitler Youth was not voluntary but compulsory; also admitted are the facts that the cardinal – only a teenager during the period in question – was the son of an anti-Nazi policeman, that he was given a dispensation from Hitler Youth activities because of his religious studies, and that he deserted the German army.

Ratzinger has several times gone on record on his supposedly "problematic" past. In the 1997 book Salt of the Earth, Ratzinger is asked whether he was ever in the Hitler Youth.

"At first we weren't," he says, speaking of himself and his older brother, "but when the compulsory Hitler Youth was introduced in 1941, my brother was obliged to join. I was still too young, but later as a seminarian, I was registered in the Hitler Youth. As soon as I was out of the seminary, I never went back. And that was difficult because the tuition reduction, which I really needed, was tied to proof of attendance at the Hitler Youth.

"Thank goodness there was a very understanding mathematics professor. He himself was a Nazi, but an honest man, and said to me, 'Just go once to get the document so we have it...' When he saw that I simply didn't want to, he said, 'I understand, I'll take care of it' and so I was able to stay free of it."

Ratzinger says this again in his own memoirs, printed in 1998. In his 2002 biography of the cardinal, John Allen, Jr. of the National Catholic Reporter wrote in detail about those events.

The only significant complaint that the Times makes against Ratzinger's wartime conduct is that he resisted quietly and passively, rather than having done something drastic enough to earn him a trip to a concentration camp. Of course, whenever it is said that a German failed the exceptional-resistance-to-the-Nazis test, it would behoove us all to recognize that too many Jews failed it, as well.

If he were truly a Nazi sympathizer, then it would undoubtedly have become evident during the past 60 years. Yet throughout his service in the church, Ratzinger has distinguished himself in the field of Jewish-Catholic relations.

As prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith, Ratzinger played an instrumental role in the Vatican's revolutionary reconciliation with the Jews under John Paul II. He personally prepared Memory and Reconciliation, the 2000 document outlining the church's historical "errors" in its treatment of Jews. And as president of the Pontifical Biblical Commission, Ratzinger oversaw the preparation of The Jewish People and Their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible, a milestone theological explanation for the Jews' rejection of Jesus.

If that's theological anti-Semitism, then we should only be so lucky to "suffer" more of the same.

As for the Hitler Youth issue, not even Yad Vashem has considered it worthy of further investigation. Why should we?


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throughout his service in the church, Ratzinger has distinguished himself in the field of Jewish-Catholic relations.

Let us hope he will continue on this path as Pope Benedict XVI.

1 posted on 04/19/2005 9:52:20 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: 1bigdictator; 1st-P-In-The-Pod; 2sheep; A Jovial Cad; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; a_witness; ...
May G-D bless and guide Pope Benedict XVI

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2 posted on 04/19/2005 9:53:46 AM PDT by Alouette (If I owned Hell and I owned Brooklyn, I'd live in Hell and rent out Brooklyn.)
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To: Alouette

Viva il papa!


3 posted on 04/19/2005 9:54:05 AM PDT by SaintThomasMorePrayForUs
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To: Alouette

I'm just waitinf for the coming liberal meltdown with this appointment.


4 posted on 04/19/2005 9:54:14 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Alouette

This is only the beginning. Get ready for a flood of stories.


5 posted on 04/19/2005 9:54:14 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: 1bigdictator; 1st-P-In-The-Pod; 2sheep; A Jovial Cad; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; a_witness; ...
May G-D bless and guide Pope Benedict XVI

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6 posted on 04/19/2005 9:54:50 AM PDT by Alouette (If I owned Hell and I owned Brooklyn, I'd live in Hell and rent out Brooklyn.)
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To: Alouette

well this is just great.......... the first article (at FR)I read about our new Pope, and its this crap.


7 posted on 04/19/2005 9:55:05 AM PDT by go-ken-go
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To: Alouette



He isn't a Nazi.


Ratzinger was born in Marktl am Inn, in Bavaria, the son of a police officer who was staunchly anti-Nazi. In 1937 Ratzinger's father retired and settled in the town of Traunstein. When Ratzinger turned 14 in 1941, he was required by law to join the Hitler Youth , but according to his biographer John Allen he was not an enthusiastic member. In 1943, at the age of 16 he was, along with the rest of his class, drafted into the Flak or anti-aircraft corps, responsible for the guarding of a BMW plant outside Munich. He was then sent for basic infantry training and was posted to Hungary, where he worked setting up anti-tank defences until he deserted in April 1944 (an offence punishable by death). In 1945 he was briefly held in an Allied POW camp. By June he was released, and he and his brother (Georg) entered a Catholic seminary. On June 29, 1951, they were ordained by Cardinal Faulhaber of Munich. His dissertation (1953) was on Saint Augustine, his Habilitationsschrift (second dissertation) on Saint Bonaventure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Cardinal_Ratzinger


8 posted on 04/19/2005 9:55:08 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( We must stand behind TOM DELAY!)
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To: go-ken-go
its this crap.

Why is it "crap"? The article completely refutes the London Times accusation.

9 posted on 04/19/2005 9:56:23 AM PDT by Alouette (If I owned Hell and I owned Brooklyn, I'd live in Hell and rent out Brooklyn.)
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To: Alouette

He experienced FIRST HAND what Nazism was and he rejected it. Like John Paul, he knows the truth.


10 posted on 04/19/2005 9:56:49 AM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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To: Alouette

Thank you for posting this article. Have sent it to Dimocrat friends.


11 posted on 04/19/2005 9:57:41 AM PDT by RushCrush (Blind Rushbot)
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To: Alouette
The left is going get UNHINGED about all of this. I'll get the popcorn started.

God Bless Pope Benedict XVI

12 posted on 04/19/2005 9:58:05 AM PDT by SaveTheChief (Oskee Wow Wow Illinois)
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To: Alouette
London Tmes? NYT's headline will probably be Holy See Nazi .
13 posted on 04/19/2005 9:59:24 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: SaveTheChief

Is that going to be his name?


14 posted on 04/19/2005 10:00:45 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Alouette

I agree. I heard about the publicity surrounding this issue yesterday, to my dismay. It is important that we are aware of what really occurred, since the Left will surely try to use this to discredit our new Pope.


15 posted on 04/19/2005 10:00:54 AM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: Alouette

I can hardly imagine this. I was born in 1983, so John Paul II was the only pope in my lifetime. Even as a Protestant, this is an exciting and historic day. Plus, those who would have the church change so they can feel better are deeply saddened. I love it.:)


16 posted on 04/19/2005 10:01:00 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Democratic Underground- where dim wits go to be impressed by the intellect of half wits.)
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To: Alouette

I think his personal history during the Third Reich demonstrates sufficiently that he was anti-Nazi. No news here.


17 posted on 04/19/2005 10:01:36 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: cyborg

Jesus -- not the bishop of Rome -- is head of the church.


18 posted on 04/19/2005 10:02:09 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: cyborg
"I'm just waitinf for the coming liberal meltdown with this appointment."

Check DU, they are in freefall as we speak. Hehehehe

19 posted on 04/19/2005 10:02:11 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: Alouette
Ratzinger a Nazi? Don't believe it

The article also classifies Ratzinger as a "theological anti-Semite" for believing in Jesus so strongly that ? gasp! ? he thinks that everyone, even Jews, should accept him as THE MESSIAH.

Yep......he does wear a 'Jewish Skull Cap'.......maybe he 'is' the ________

20 posted on 04/19/2005 10:02:16 AM PDT by maestro
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To: Alouette

And now he's the Pope!!!!! Oh horror of horrors, what will we do now?!!


21 posted on 04/19/2005 10:03:54 AM PDT by blastdad51 (Proud father of an Enduring Freedom vet, and friend of a soldier lost in Afghanistan)
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To: SaveTheChief

Poor Katie Couric. Her colon must be in knots by now.


22 posted on 04/19/2005 10:04:21 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: churchillbuff

I know but the liberals won't like a conservative pope at the helm of the RCC.


23 posted on 04/19/2005 10:04:51 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

The DUmmies are freaking out, calling him a Nazi. I guess the writer of this article isn't as well-informed as those boobs with Wesley Clark icons, huh? ;)


24 posted on 04/19/2005 10:05:10 AM PDT by Darkwolf (Proud Yankee, Proudly Pro-Free Speech)
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To: Mamzelle

Sure is


25 posted on 04/19/2005 10:05:21 AM PDT by SaveTheChief (Oskee Wow Wow Illinois)
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To: Alouette

THe fact the London Times puts out such stuff, requiring refuting; the fact it already started.


26 posted on 04/19/2005 10:05:46 AM PDT by go-ken-go
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To: Mad Dawgg; PJ-Comix

Wonder if there will be a special edition DUmmy FUnnies!


27 posted on 04/19/2005 10:05:46 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Alouette

THe fact the London Times puts out such stuff, requiring refuting; the fact it already started.


28 posted on 04/19/2005 10:05:56 AM PDT by go-ken-go
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To: Alouette
yep -the DUmb-asses are fuming at the "Nazi Pope"
29 posted on 04/19/2005 10:06:20 AM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

How dare you post the truth about Ratzinger! You must enjoy driving the devil worshipers nuts, LOL...


30 posted on 04/19/2005 10:07:53 AM PDT by demkicker (Support DeLay, the Hammer, and the filibuster ban on judicial nominations!)
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To: Alouette

I wonder if he was Opus Dei's choice?????


31 posted on 04/19/2005 10:12:16 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society "( Robert Heinlien).)
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"Is that going to be his name?"

The "Pope Benedict" name has an interesting history for today, as the previous Pope Benedict attempted to mediate an end to the horrors of the stalemated trench warfare of the First World War that killed an entire generation of French, British, Germans, and Russians.

A war that was only able to be ended by a mobile American Army, going all the way over to Europe to do what the Europeans themselves could not.

So such a Pope's name recognizes the current global war on terror, America's role, and what part the Church should play.

32 posted on 04/19/2005 10:12:18 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Alouette

I know very little about Pope Benedict XVI, but judging by the way the Dummies are acting, it sounds like he is quite the conservative. Does anyone have any links that give details of his stance on abortion, homosexuals, and other issues facing the church?


33 posted on 04/19/2005 10:16:19 AM PDT by RobertP
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To: rface

Ugly & hateful commentary over there.....but then, that's nothing new.


34 posted on 04/19/2005 10:21:34 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Vaquero



http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/word0322.htm


Yes, he's in with Opus Dei.


35 posted on 04/19/2005 10:23:08 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( We must stand behind TOM DELAY!)
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To: Southack

Very interesting post, thanks for the perspective, hope you're right.


36 posted on 04/19/2005 10:24:24 AM PDT by agrace (All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have not seen. - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: Dallas59
Like John Paul, he knows the truth.

And John Paul, who lived under the Nazi boot, would not have trusted Ratzinger, had he believed he was a Nazi sympathizer. If Ratzinger were more liberal, you wouldn't have heard one word about his "alleged" Nazi past from the MSM.

37 posted on 04/19/2005 10:26:12 AM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: TFine80

FYI


38 posted on 04/19/2005 10:31:55 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: cyborg; MeekOneGOP

I checked DU. The Nazi claim is their most popular one.

There's a lot on google about it already. Black Flag seemed to have a balanced look at the whole matter:

http://comebackalive.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=77158&




39 posted on 04/19/2005 10:32:11 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: Alouette
The article also classifies Ratzinger as a "theological anti-Semite" for believing in Jesus so strongly that – gasp! – he thinks that everyone, even Jews, should accept him as the messiah.

Hey - if Benedict XVI pushes forward that very important truth, he will earn a measure of respect from me... not that anyone would care. After all, that particular statement is the #1 truth.

40 posted on 04/19/2005 10:34:25 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberals) and gasoline producers and sellers- the cult of Satan)
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To: Alouette
And as president of the Pontifical Biblical Commission, Ratzinger oversaw the preparation of The Jewish People and Their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible, a milestone theological explanation for the Jews' rejection of Jesus.

Too bad that as president of the Pontifical Biblical Commission he couldn't engage in an "ecumenical" defense of Biblical inerrancy and the Divine authoriship of the Torah. But I've commented so many times on this ironic situation ("philosemitism" going hand in hand with liberal Biblical theories) that I don't know what more to say on the subject.

As for hitting Ratzinger over the head with belonging to a compulsory government organization for young people, isn't that (compulsory national service) something the liberals have been advocating for decades?

PS: I will rejoice at "Catholic-Jewish relations" when the Vatican admits that G-d wrote the Torah.

41 posted on 04/19/2005 10:37:31 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Build the Temple! Make Bobby Fischer watch!!!)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

Tomorrow the London Times will write about America's slave state President.

42 posted on 04/19/2005 10:39:31 AM PDT by SJackson (The first duty of a leader is to make himself be loved without courting love, Andre Malraux)
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To: go-ken-go
well this is just great.......... the first article (at FR)I read about our new Pope, and its this crap.

You missed the original thread. I see no reason it shouldn't be refuted.Papal hopeful is a former Hitler Youth

43 posted on 04/19/2005 10:41:39 AM PDT by SJackson (The first duty of a leader is to make himself be loved without courting love, Andre Malraux)
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To: TheBattman

The new Pope devoutly believes that only Christians go to Heavan. He believes its his duty to remind people. The rabbis are having a lot of trouble with that already.


44 posted on 04/19/2005 10:42:17 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: SJackson; go-ken-go

This matter can't be ignored. And while it's ugly, he appears to have been very reluctant to support the Nazis.

FReegards....


45 posted on 04/19/2005 10:44:14 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: Alouette

Liberal Leftist press strikes again--they just can't stomach someone with strong moral convictions leading the oldest and the largest institution on earth--Catholic Church. They would like to see "Progressive" (read radical revolutionary) instead of solid moral Conservative at the helm of every institution, including a religious one. We've already seen how out-of-control leftist liberalism can jeopardize the authority of the church. Episcopal Church in America is a perfect example of what happens when timeless truth is discarded in favor of popular sensibilities of the time.

Being drafted against his will to Hitler Youth and then to Wermaht (which he deserted in 1944), does not make Ratzinger (Benedict XVI) a Nazi. Anyone who is more or less familiar with the way totalitarian regimes work, should not blame him. As long as he did nothing terribly wrong, I have absolutely no problem with it.

I wish the New Pope all the best. I hope he will continue John Paul II legacy of reaching out to the world while standing firm on the ground of timeless values of human dignity and responsibility before each other and before God--transcendent and invisible. I hope for more steps toward Orthodox-Catholic reconcilliation and more aggressive stance against moral relativism, leftism, sexual promiscuity, "progressivism", Anti-Semitism and other destructive ideologies that endanger the moral integrity and the very survival of the Western Civilization.


46 posted on 04/19/2005 10:46:20 AM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

well good to hear that.....though not a practicing catholic any more, I am glad to see a conservative figure in the Vatican.


47 posted on 04/19/2005 10:48:26 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society "( Robert Heinlien).)
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To: Alouette

I worked for a East German over 25 years ago in Colorado. He readily admitted being in the Hitler Youth, but added that there was really no choice in the matter. To decline brought undo attention to oneself and one's family from the Nazis.

I find it amazing that compulsory membership in the Hitler youth while one was 14 or 15 is fodder for the liberals, yet a man who was an adult Klan leader gets a pass as a Senate leader.


48 posted on 04/19/2005 10:52:35 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: RobertP
Cardinal Ratzinger was the chief doctrinal enforcer and educator for the Vatican. He is definitely a conservative. This is a great day for the Catholic church.

Here is a link to the text of his homily at JPII's funeral.

49 posted on 04/19/2005 10:55:01 AM PDT by NCSteve
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To: Mad Dawgg

Got any good links to the meltdown?


50 posted on 04/19/2005 10:57:46 AM PDT by Bombardier (Ready to suit up for one more mission.....)
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