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Letter from Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger to Anglicans opposed to gay bishop
american anglican council ^ | Oct 9, 2003 | +Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

Posted on 04/19/2005 10:39:05 AM PDT by churchillbuff

In 2003, after Episocpalian gay bishop Robinson was elected, a group of concerned Episcopalians and Anglicans met in emergency session, in Texas, to strategize how to respond -- through formally breaking away or other strategies.

They received this letter from Rome:

October 9, 2003

From Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

The Vatican, on behalf of Pope John Paul II

I hasten to assure you of my heartfelt prayers for all those taking part in this convocation. The significance of your meeting is sensed far beyond Plano, and even in this City from which Saint Augustine of Canterbury was sent to confirm and strengthen the preaching of Christ’s Gospel in England. Nor can I fail to recall that barely 120 years later, Saint Boniface brought that same Christian faith from England to my own forebears in Germany.

The lives of these saints show us how in the Church of Christ there is a unity in truth and a communion of grace which transcend the borders of any nation. With this in mind, I pray in particular that God’s will may be done by all those who seek that unity in the truth, the gift of Christ himself.

With fraternal regards, I remain

Sincerely yours in Christ,

+Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Texas
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1 posted on 04/19/2005 10:39:06 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: sionnsar

FYI..for the group..


2 posted on 04/19/2005 10:41:01 AM PDT by ken5050 (The Dem party is as dead as the NHL)
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To: churchillbuff

Am an Anglican by faith, but not a contemporary Episcopalian. Am giving up on the US Episcopal church, and am going to convert to the Roman Catholic church.

Not that big a leap, really.


3 posted on 04/19/2005 10:42:42 AM PDT by jacquej
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To: churchillbuff

Some Episcopalian priests and their congregations are becoming Catholic. Bishop Gene is so vile and provocative, and cannot keep his hateful propagandizing quiet, that a schism in the Anglican Communion is inevitable, although Ratzinger/Benedict XVI sees opposed to this.


4 posted on 04/19/2005 10:43:26 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: churchillbuff

Some Episcopalian priests and their congregations are becoming Catholic. Bishop Gene is so vile and provocative, and cannot keep his hateful propagandizing quiet, that a schism in the Anglican Communion is inevitable, although Ratzinger/Benedict XVI seems opposed to this.


5 posted on 04/19/2005 10:43:43 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
a schism in the Anglican Communion is inevitable, although Ratzinger/Benedict XVI sees opposed to this."""

Why do you say that "Ratzinger is opposed to this"?

6 posted on 04/19/2005 10:44:34 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

I speak legaleze but I confess I must be missing something.

All I get is saying that he is reminding them of the importance of the church, remember the teachings, and good luck.

Nothing specific about homosexuals in the church.

What am I missing?


7 posted on 04/19/2005 10:44:46 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: churchillbuff

I read it a few times but I don't know what he's saying about the issue at hand. Can you break it down? Thanks...


8 posted on 04/19/2005 10:45:03 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: jacquej

Welcome to Rome, prayers for you and for all who follow you.


9 posted on 04/19/2005 10:45:47 AM PDT by pbear8 (Deo Gratias!!!!! Pope Benedict XVI - bless him !!)
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To: churchillbuff

Beautiful letter. As a former Episcopalean, now Catholic, the more I read about Pope Benedict XVI, the more I love him.


10 posted on 04/19/2005 10:45:48 AM PDT by USArmySpouse
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To: longtermmemmory
What am I missing? """

The mere fact that he sent an open letter to this "rebel" group in another denomination was itself a big statement.

11 posted on 04/19/2005 10:45:55 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: longtermmemmory
I speak legaleze but I confess I must be missing something.

Thanks - I thought it was just me...
12 posted on 04/19/2005 10:45:55 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: jacquej

Welcome!


13 posted on 04/19/2005 10:46:21 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: Stone Mountain

see my post # 11. It was a rebuff to the hierarchy of the Episcopal Church, for Ratzinger to formally acknowledge this rebel faction.


14 posted on 04/19/2005 10:46:48 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: jacquej

Transubstantiation vs. Consubstantiation. Not a small issue.


15 posted on 04/19/2005 10:47:36 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: jacquej

Try the www.anglicancatholic.org


16 posted on 04/19/2005 10:47:59 AM PDT by Alkhin ("Ah-ah," admonished Pippin. "Head, blade, dead." ~ Peregrin Took, The Falcon)
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To: churchillbuff

Aha - thanks!


17 posted on 04/19/2005 10:49:08 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: ahadams2; Peanut Gallery; tellw; nanetteclaret; Saint Reagan; Marauder; stan_sipple; SuzyQue; ...
Thanks to ken5050 for spotting and pinging this.

Traditional Anglican ping, continued in memory of its founder Arlin Adams.

FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this moderately high-volume ping list (typically 3-7 pings/day).
This list is pinged by sionnsar and newheart.

Resource for Traditional Anglicans: http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com

Speak the truth in love. Eph 4:15


Off-topic question to the Traditional Anglican ping list from one of its members: Who attends/recommended the Church of the Resurrection in Tampa, FL for the Traditional Anglican resource Page (in my tagline)? A listmember may be headed down that way soon.

18 posted on 04/19/2005 10:50:25 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?)
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To: churchillbuff

I went to Drudge and a couple different threads on the new Pope on F.R. Not one picture of this person anywhere. Doesn't anyone have his picture? I read that he was the leader in Pope John's funeral, someone must have taken his picture.


19 posted on 04/19/2005 10:51:07 AM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: churchillbuff

That was my take on it as well.


20 posted on 04/19/2005 10:51:56 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: fish hawk

There's a picture of him on the front page of newsmax. http://www.newsmax.com


21 posted on 04/19/2005 10:54:54 AM PDT by USArmySpouse
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To: RepublicanMensan

More on Bishop fancypants

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2005/04/gay-bishop-backs-planned-parenthood.html


22 posted on 04/19/2005 10:55:07 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: churchillbuff

Thank you for posting this very endearing and supportive letter from Cardinal Ratzinger, Churchillbuff.


23 posted on 04/19/2005 10:55:37 AM PDT by bd476
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To: fish hawk
Doesn't anyone have his picture?

He was just on TV. He looks like a German.

24 posted on 04/19/2005 10:55:57 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: jacquej

Welcome home!


25 posted on 04/19/2005 10:56:41 AM PDT by mbraynard
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To: RepublicanMensan

That's great. Thank you.


26 posted on 04/19/2005 10:57:20 AM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: RepublicanMensan

I waswatching the TV..when he came out on the balcony, the new Pope seemed transformed. It was very apparent to me....One other point which I haven't seen mentioned yet..If he can accomplish for the German people 10% of what JP II did for the Poles, he will also have a very special Papacy..


27 posted on 04/19/2005 10:57:53 AM PDT by ken5050 (The Dem party is as dead as the NHL)
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To: Alkhin
THE ANGLICAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

We use the Tridentine Mass

We use the 1928 Book of Common Prayer

We do NOT ordain females as priests.

We uphold the Transubstantiation.

If you have any more questions, feel free to FReepmail me. I understand that there are a good many Episcopalians out there who are looking for a home. The ACC was begun in the 70s.

28 posted on 04/19/2005 10:58:47 AM PDT by Alkhin ("Ah-ah," admonished Pippin. "Head, blade, dead." ~ Peregrin Took, The Falcon)
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To: ken5050

"I waswatching the TV..when he came out on the balcony, the new Pope seemed transformed. It was very apparent to me....One other point which I haven't seen mentioned yet..If he can accomplish for the German people 10% of what JP II did for the Poles, he will also have a very special Papacy.."

It was an amazing appearance. Did you notice the clouds parting and the sun beaming down on him? Just like at JPII's funeral. Really quite incredible. I hope that means good things are ahead for the new Pope, the Church, and for all people around the world.


29 posted on 04/19/2005 11:01:51 AM PDT by USArmySpouse
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To: jacquej
Am giving up on the US Episcopal church, and am going to convert to the Roman Catholic church.

Well, hurry up and get over here with the rest of us Converts!

My Parish converted en masse to the Roman Catholic Church-even my Anglican Priest who's know an RC Priest. It's great.

http://www.atonementonline.com

30 posted on 04/19/2005 11:03:13 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: sockmonkey

"On Monday, Ratzinger, who was the powerful dean of the College of Cardinals, used his homily at the Mass dedicated to electing the next pope to warn the faithful about tendencies that he considered dangers to the faith: sects, ideologies like Marxism, liberalism, atheism, agnosticism and relativism - the ideology that there are no absolute truths."

From the Drudge Report. Who can argue with that?

Does anybody know what order Ratzinger was ordained into?


31 posted on 04/19/2005 11:08:41 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: longtermmemmory
What am I missing?

I believe he was telling them that he appreciated their concern and hoped they would use the truth of the Bible, particularly the New Testament in making their decision, whether it be to stay in the current church and work against the abomination, or to change churches. He also seems to tell them to do so in a loving manner, rather than let rancor invade their thought processes.

All-in-all, it was a message of support for those who understood the perversion that was occuring in the Epicopal Church and wished to keep from being complicent in it.

33 posted on 04/19/2005 11:14:14 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: econ_grad

"Great. Another idolator."

Great. Another ignorant bigot.


34 posted on 04/19/2005 11:22:39 AM PDT by USArmySpouse
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To: Alkhin

Well, Bishop Vickie, does sway me more to the ACC side but I have to admit that I much prefer Rite II BCP over 1928 version.


35 posted on 04/19/2005 11:23:27 AM PDT by meandog (FU DU lurkers!)
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To: jacquej
"Not that big a leap, really."

Been there - done that. - LOL!
... and, believe it or not, into the Eastern Rite Churches in full Communion with Rome it's more like one measured responsible step than a leap.

BTW, towards the bottom of my FR homepage I've got 2 related links which you may find of interest.
36 posted on 04/19/2005 11:26:20 AM PDT by GMMAC (lots of terror cells in Canada - I'll be waving my US flag when the Marines arrive!)
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To: sockmonkey
I gave up being a lifelong Episcopalian a few years ago.
The disgusting trends in that church had started several years before they made Robinson a bishop.

Since I am now spending most of my time in Slovakia, I have been to mass several times at several of the fine Catholic churches here.
This evening, the bells of St Martin's Cathedral in Old Town Bratislava were ringing for over an hour.
37 posted on 04/19/2005 11:26:28 AM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava)
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To: churchillbuff
A schism in the Anglican Communion is inevitable, although Ratzinger/Benedict XVI seems opposed to this. Why do you say that "Ratzinger is opposed to this?

Actuallty I said that Ratzinger SEEMS opposed to this. This is what he actually said... I dunno... how do you take this?

"The lives of these saints show us how in the Church of Christ there is a unity in truth and a communion of grace which transcend the borders of any nation. With this in mind, I pray in particular that God’s will may be done by all those who seek that unity in the truth, the gift of Christ himself."

38 posted on 04/19/2005 11:31:54 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: churchillbuff
The fact that a Cardinal sent a letter to these people, in the Popes Name, means something. The fact that he accepted them as Brothers in Christ, implied, means even more. An interseting letter.
39 posted on 04/19/2005 11:38:31 AM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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To: RepublicanMensan

"Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is." - These must be the words of someone trying to defame the catholics.


40 posted on 04/19/2005 11:44:11 AM PDT by econ_grad
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To: econ_grad
Great. Another idolator.

Someone, somewhere fed you a pack of nonsense about all that. It took me years to realize the "idol myth" was just a cute little trick someone devised to drive a wedge in the "one holy, catholic and apostolic" church.

Great resource here: The Catholic Encyclopedia: Idolatry

41 posted on 04/19/2005 11:46:26 AM PDT by TaxRelief (If this war is "all about oil", why do gas prices continue to rise? ---Coulter)
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To: jacquej
Am an Anglican by faith, but not a contemporary Episcopalian. Am giving up on the US Episcopal church, and am going to convert to the Roman Catholic church.

Seriously considering the same thing.

42 posted on 04/19/2005 12:03:03 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (WARNING: Exposure To The Son May Prevent Burning.)
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To: jacquej

Welcome home!


43 posted on 04/19/2005 12:04:00 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: longtermmemmory
All I get is saying that he is reminding them of the importance of the church, remember the teachings, and good luck. What am I missing?

What you're missing is the context in which the letter was written and delivered.

Basically, Ratzinger, speaking for JPII, was granting RC church recognition to this group of American Anglicans who were distancing themselves from official ECUSA stances on homosexuality and other matters.

This is at about same time the RC Church had pulled out of Anglican/RC ecumenical discussions over the current issues -- officially, they were no longer on speaking terms with the ECUSA.

Ratzinger, writing to the conference in the name of JPII, blatantly bypassed Frank Griswold, and mentioned his "solidarity" with these Anglicans.

It was, and is, a huge deal.

44 posted on 04/19/2005 12:04:37 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Alkhin

I'm not looking to start anything but could you explain your use of the 1928 BCP but not the 39 Articles of Faith which have been part of the Book of Common Prayer since it was written in 1549, in particular, Article 28, which denies transubstantiation. Thanks.


45 posted on 04/19/2005 12:08:52 PM PDT by beelzepug (Parking For Witches Only--All Others Will Be Toad.)
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To: beelzepug

Actually, I can't, but I was hoping the main website would. I am a fairly new member to the ACC, and while I did attend our last Provincial Synod back in 2003 where reinstating the 1549 BCP was discussed (but nothing decided, from what I could tell, until our Prov. Synod this year, which is to be in October), I am only nominally cognizant of what you mean by the 39 Articles of Faith. Suffice it to say, I believe the ACC is seeking to assert itself in the true and original tradition of the Christian church. My hope is that if you contact Bishop Haverland, or one of our other bishops or priests, they might be better able to answer your question.


46 posted on 04/19/2005 12:15:38 PM PDT by Alkhin ("Ah-ah," admonished Pippin. "Head, blade, dead." ~ Peregrin Took, The Falcon)
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To: churchillbuff

Good sign.


47 posted on 04/19/2005 12:17:29 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy ( Theresa Marie SCHINDLER - We will NEVER FORGET! - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: beelzepug

As for transubstantiation, I have yet to be told that it isn't a part of our faith in the ACC. Perhaps you have an online link that I can refer to?


48 posted on 04/19/2005 12:19:55 PM PDT by Alkhin ("Ah-ah," admonished Pippin. "Head, blade, dead." ~ Peregrin Took, The Falcon)
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To: beelzepug
If this will help:

The Affirmation of St. Louis

The Sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, the Holy Eucharist, Holy Matrimony, Holy Orders, Penance and Unction of the Sick, as objective and effective signs of the continued presence and saving activity of Christ our Lord among His people and as His covenanted means for conveying His grace. In particular, we affirm the necessity of Baptism and the Holy Eucharist (where they may be had) -- Baptism as incorporating us into Christ (with its completion in Confirmation as the "seal of the Holy Spirit"), and the Eucharist as the sacrifice which unites us to the all-sufficient Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross and the Sacrament in which He feeds us with His Body and Blood.

49 posted on 04/19/2005 12:22:54 PM PDT by Alkhin ("Ah-ah," admonished Pippin. "Head, blade, dead." ~ Peregrin Took, The Falcon)
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To: beelzepug
Also :

How Are We Catholic?

You will also note that the principal service of the Anglican Catholic Church is the Holy Eucharist, or Mass. This celebration of Christ's sacrifice for us on the Cross stands at the heart of all that we are and do. In it, our Lord Jesus is made truly present to each of us and is received by each in Holy Communion (we hold that, as a rule, one should not receive the Communion regularly until one has been instructed in the Faith and confirmed by a bishop in Apostolic Succession). But for all, young or old, communicant or not, Christ is uniquely present in the Eucharist and that presence is continued as the Body of Christ is reserved on the altar at all times.

50 posted on 04/19/2005 12:24:27 PM PDT by Alkhin ("Ah-ah," admonished Pippin. "Head, blade, dead." ~ Peregrin Took, The Falcon)
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