Skip to comments.Letter from Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger to Anglicans opposed to gay bishop
Posted on 04/19/2005 10:39:05 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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FYI..for the group..
Am an Anglican by faith, but not a contemporary Episcopalian. Am giving up on the US Episcopal church, and am going to convert to the Roman Catholic church.
Not that big a leap, really.
Some Episcopalian priests and their congregations are becoming Catholic. Bishop Gene is so vile and provocative, and cannot keep his hateful propagandizing quiet, that a schism in the Anglican Communion is inevitable, although Ratzinger/Benedict XVI sees opposed to this.
Some Episcopalian priests and their congregations are becoming Catholic. Bishop Gene is so vile and provocative, and cannot keep his hateful propagandizing quiet, that a schism in the Anglican Communion is inevitable, although Ratzinger/Benedict XVI seems opposed to this.
Why do you say that "Ratzinger is opposed to this"?
I speak legaleze but I confess I must be missing something.
All I get is saying that he is reminding them of the importance of the church, remember the teachings, and good luck.
Nothing specific about homosexuals in the church.
What am I missing?
I read it a few times but I don't know what he's saying about the issue at hand. Can you break it down? Thanks...
Welcome to Rome, prayers for you and for all who follow you.
Beautiful letter. As a former Episcopalean, now Catholic, the more I read about Pope Benedict XVI, the more I love him.
The mere fact that he sent an open letter to this "rebel" group in another denomination was itself a big statement.
see my post # 11. It was a rebuff to the hierarchy of the Episcopal Church, for Ratzinger to formally acknowledge this rebel faction.
Transubstantiation vs. Consubstantiation. Not a small issue.
Try the www.anglicancatholic.org
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I went to Drudge and a couple different threads on the new Pope on F.R. Not one picture of this person anywhere. Doesn't anyone have his picture? I read that he was the leader in Pope John's funeral, someone must have taken his picture.
That was my take on it as well.
There's a picture of him on the front page of newsmax. http://www.newsmax.com
More on Bishop fancypants
Thank you for posting this very endearing and supportive letter from Cardinal Ratzinger, Churchillbuff.
He was just on TV. He looks like a German.
That's great. Thank you.
I waswatching the TV..when he came out on the balcony, the new Pope seemed transformed. It was very apparent to me....One other point which I haven't seen mentioned yet..If he can accomplish for the German people 10% of what JP II did for the Poles, he will also have a very special Papacy..
We use the Tridentine Mass
We use the 1928 Book of Common Prayer
We do NOT ordain females as priests.
We uphold the Transubstantiation.
If you have any more questions, feel free to FReepmail me. I understand that there are a good many Episcopalians out there who are looking for a home. The ACC was begun in the 70s.
"I waswatching the TV..when he came out on the balcony, the new Pope seemed transformed. It was very apparent to me....One other point which I haven't seen mentioned yet..If he can accomplish for the German people 10% of what JP II did for the Poles, he will also have a very special Papacy.."
It was an amazing appearance. Did you notice the clouds parting and the sun beaming down on him? Just like at JPII's funeral. Really quite incredible. I hope that means good things are ahead for the new Pope, the Church, and for all people around the world.
Well, hurry up and get over here with the rest of us Converts!
My Parish converted en masse to the Roman Catholic Church-even my Anglican Priest who's know an RC Priest. It's great.
"On Monday, Ratzinger, who was the powerful dean of the College of Cardinals, used his homily at the Mass dedicated to electing the next pope to warn the faithful about tendencies that he considered dangers to the faith: sects, ideologies like Marxism, liberalism, atheism, agnosticism and relativism - the ideology that there are no absolute truths."
From the Drudge Report. Who can argue with that?
Does anybody know what order Ratzinger was ordained into?
I believe he was telling them that he appreciated their concern and hoped they would use the truth of the Bible, particularly the New Testament in making their decision, whether it be to stay in the current church and work against the abomination, or to change churches. He also seems to tell them to do so in a loving manner, rather than let rancor invade their thought processes.
All-in-all, it was a message of support for those who understood the perversion that was occuring in the Epicopal Church and wished to keep from being complicent in it.
"Great. Another idolator."
Great. Another ignorant bigot.
Well, Bishop Vickie, does sway me more to the ACC side but I have to admit that I much prefer Rite II BCP over 1928 version.
Actuallty I said that Ratzinger SEEMS opposed to this. This is what he actually said... I dunno... how do you take this?
"The lives of these saints show us how in the Church of Christ there is a unity in truth and a communion of grace which transcend the borders of any nation. With this in mind, I pray in particular that Gods will may be done by all those who seek that unity in the truth, the gift of Christ himself."
"Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is." - These must be the words of someone trying to defame the catholics.
Someone, somewhere fed you a pack of nonsense about all that. It took me years to realize the "idol myth" was just a cute little trick someone devised to drive a wedge in the "one holy, catholic and apostolic" church.
Great resource here: The Catholic Encyclopedia: Idolatry
Seriously considering the same thing.
What you're missing is the context in which the letter was written and delivered.
Basically, Ratzinger, speaking for JPII, was granting RC church recognition to this group of American Anglicans who were distancing themselves from official ECUSA stances on homosexuality and other matters.
This is at about same time the RC Church had pulled out of Anglican/RC ecumenical discussions over the current issues -- officially, they were no longer on speaking terms with the ECUSA.
Ratzinger, writing to the conference in the name of JPII, blatantly bypassed Frank Griswold, and mentioned his "solidarity" with these Anglicans.
It was, and is, a huge deal.
I'm not looking to start anything but could you explain your use of the 1928 BCP but not the 39 Articles of Faith which have been part of the Book of Common Prayer since it was written in 1549, in particular, Article 28, which denies transubstantiation. Thanks.
Actually, I can't, but I was hoping the main website would. I am a fairly new member to the ACC, and while I did attend our last Provincial Synod back in 2003 where reinstating the 1549 BCP was discussed (but nothing decided, from what I could tell, until our Prov. Synod this year, which is to be in October), I am only nominally cognizant of what you mean by the 39 Articles of Faith. Suffice it to say, I believe the ACC is seeking to assert itself in the true and original tradition of the Christian church. My hope is that if you contact Bishop Haverland, or one of our other bishops or priests, they might be better able to answer your question.
As for transubstantiation, I have yet to be told that it isn't a part of our faith in the ACC. Perhaps you have an online link that I can refer to?
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