"But Gloriae Olivae [The Glory of the Olives] will tear down the walls of the Vatican, auctioning off all the objects within, in order to feed and enlighten those in the 3rd World who have not yet heard the Gospel according to Christ, nor the prophet Pope's message that accompanies it."

That'd be an idea!

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Maybe Ratzinger read of these prophecies in chatrooms and newsgroups online and felt he had to take the name Ben-16.

They got it all wrong: on the Feast day of St. Stephen the Protomartyr the Earth will collide with celestial axis. No way could there be enough time to auction off the Vatican collections.

(1) Malachy's vision has no official status in the Catholic Church and is simply his private writing.

(2) The theological views expressed in this article have an heretical tendency and no one quoted in this article has any official claim to speak for the Church.

"According to Malachy, the 267th pope is called 'Gloria Olivae,' or 'glory of the olive.' Traditionally, the olive branch has been associated with peace, but in both the Old and New Testaments, it also serves as an emblem for the Jews.

Funny... but before Ratzinger was selected, many were saying this "olive" reference meant the new Pope would be black. Hard for a prophecy to be wrong when the meaning of such prophecy can "evolve" to fit the facts.

You put it more succinctly than I did.

Perhaps they could also tally up all the Google mentions that were flat wrong, as well.

Ratzinger is up there in years, so another will be coming along in the foreseeable future. I'm still holding out for the next pope to choose "Ahnarope".

I was wondering why the DUmmies were ready to fling themselves over a cliff over some vague references to "the prophesies".

I LIKE GERMAN SHEPHERDS SO I'M GOING TO LOVE POPE BENEDICT XVI!

oh wow man, the overtones!!! this guy (admiralsn) talks about the new dude as "ben-16. is that like in Ben Gay in the church's stance on homosexuals?? like wow man, the coincidink!

but then! then! then this dude gslob, another dude mentions St. Stephen - a song by the Grateful Dead, and the old pope is, like you know, dead. oh wow!!

can you feel the cosmis vibrations here man?? like the wind is blowing somewhere on the planet, man and like we're all gonna die someday.

/sarcasm

bump for later read

German Shepherds! LOL!!!

"According to Malachy, the 267th pope is called 'Gloria Olivae,' or 'glory of the olive.' Traditionally, the olive branch has been associated with peace, but in both the Old and New Testaments, it also serves as an emblem for the Jews.

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As prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith, Ratzinger played an instrumental role in the Vatican's revolutionary reconciliation with the Jews under John Paul II. He personally prepared Memory and Reconciliation, the 2000 document outlining the church's historical "errors" in its treatment of Jews. And as president of the Pontifical Biblical Commission, Ratzinger oversaw the preparation of The Jewish People and Their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible, a milestone theological explanation for the Jews' rejection of Jesus.
>snip<

THE JERUSALEM POST, Ratzinger a Nazi? Don't believe it ,Sam Ser, THE JERUSALEM POST, Apr. 18, 2005

Wish I knew what you said...

(reinsert hippie mode)

heyt.. HEY MAN! watch the german shepherd reference dude - the new guys, like, from Germany who led the world into this like, big war in which a lot of people got like killed and stuff.

but didn't the Grateful Dead do a song about a dog?

Maybe Ratzinger read of these prophecies in chatrooms and newsgroups online and felt he had to take the name Ben-16.

That's what I thought. He felt he needed to take the name to try to fulfill the prophecy.

What I said was the plain truth:

(1) The prophecies of Malachy are not official Church teaching - they're simply the private speculations of one individual.

(2) The people quoted in this article make statements that are implicitly heretical by official Catholic standards.

That's what I thought. He felt he needed to take the name to try to fulfill the prophecy.

Not unreasonable. It's called 'hedging your bets'.

I predict that tomorrow around noon, I will grow hungry and will eat a sandwich.

Mmmm, sandwich.

Oh please. The Baptists have been calling it for 2007 because 1994, 1996 and Y2K didn't work out.

Jesus Christ himself said NO ONE BUT THE FATHER knows the time.....

Yep, good, fine, end of the world again. How many times
this week?

go plug in http://www.google.com/search?q=Benedict+XVI+prophecy
and see how much this gets worked on. It's just interesting...

I agree wholeheartedly. I read some of this persons other prophecies, and greatly suspect that he is not getting his cues from the Holy Spirit...

Satan knows the future, too.

Referring to Conte, not St. Malachy

We are in the end days. Please send all of your money and other wordly possessions to me at . . .

We are in the end days. Your money and possessions are worthless. ;-)

NewsMax did a Web search

Yeah, that pretty much sums up NewsMax's "journalism".

I know, why hold on to them, just send them to me, I will take care of them.

Mmm, where you lead.....I will follow.

Even if you got a lot of gold, all it is is pavement up there!!! Hoard Silver!!!!

The Baptists have been calling it for 2007 because 1994, 1996 and Y2K didn't work out

Please, leave us out of this! It is Baptist belief that no one but the Father knows the time, although we are also exorted to study the signs the way one "foresees" the coming season in the budding of the fig tree, and to be ready for our Lord can come back AT ANY TIME. We live looking forward to that 2nd coming and the millenial kingdom, but again, Baptist are the first ones to tell you that no one knows when it will happen.

It is an open question whether St. Malachy - himself a great servant of God - ever actually wrote the Prophecies attributed to him.

I do know that Ratzinger had a lot to do with reconciliation toward the Jews. With that in mind, what are your opinions regarding the following from the article? :

As Dr. H.T. Spence relates in his "The Death of the Pope":

"An Irish bishop, Malachy in 1139 he went to Rome to give an account of the affairs of his diocese to Pope Innocent II, who promised him two palliums for the metropolitan Sees of Armagh and Cashel.

"While at Rome, he supposedly received a strange vision of the future wherein was unfolded before him the long list of illustrious pontiffs who were to rule the Roman Catholic Church until the end of time.

"History tells us that Malachy gave his manuscript to Innocent II to console him in the midst of his tribulations, and that the document remained unnoticed in the Roman Archives until its discovery in 1590."

Interestingly, writing well before the news that Cardinal Ratzinger had been selected, Spence details the connection between Malachy's prophecy for this pope and why many predicted this pope would call himself "Benedict XVI."

"According to Malachy, the 267th pope is called 'Gloria Olivae,' or 'glory of the olive.' Traditionally, the olive branch has been associated with peace, but in both the Old and New Testaments, it also serves as an emblem for the Jews.

"Putting the two together, some commentators believe that the reign of this pope will be dedicated to peace. However, some believe that Malachy's description may instead refer to St. Benedict's sixth-century prophecy that a member of his order will lead the Church in its fight against evil just before the Apocalypse.

"The Benedictine Order is known by another name, Olivetans.

"Those mystic observers in Rome believe if this is true, the next pope will go by the name of Pope Benedict XVI, in imitation of Saint Benedict and Pope Benedict XV. Benedict XV was a pope obsessed with peace: he sought peace and spoke of peace and wrote documents seeking peace."

Ping

p.s. To all Catholics in FR, congrats on the election of the new Pope. I don't believe for one minute all that "nazi" stuff about him and I take off my hat to the College of Cardinals for not doing the "pc thing". I pray this Pope, like David, will be a man after God's heart.

That'd be an idea!

That would be an excellent and long awaited (by me) idea!!!

That's what I thought. He felt he needed to take the name to try to fulfill the prophecy.

Nah, I suggested that on another thread and a whole bunch of people who know wa-a-a-a-ay more than I do told me that was just flat out dumb, so it can't possibly be true 'cause I was wrong. /sarcasm

What I make of it is that neither neither the author of the Malachy prophecies (it is not clear that St. Malachy wrote them) nor Dr. Spence uses the name Benedict XVI to refer to the 267th Pope.

I also would point out that Pope John Paul II could also be described as a "pope obsessed with peace: he sought peace and spoke of peace and wrote documents seeking peace."

I take this stuff as largely superstitious claptrap to be honest.

One thing might be true, the fact that this Pope is also foreign would seem to increase the odds the next will be Italian.

And the prophecy says "Petrus Romanus", Peter of Rome.

Which, in a sense, would fit with Alpha and Omega.

Oh, thanks. This is what you were referring to on the Live Thread.

:)

Ping

You know, this idea of "selling the treasures" of the Vatican (or any other priceless collection of objects, and "giving the money to the poor" is perennial, and really pointless.

If the stuff is sold, someone will have to buy it. Then the crowd can run to those millionaires who bought it, and clamor, "Sell these treasures, and give the money to the poor." Etc., ad infinitum.

As long as the treasures exist, there will be somebody clamoring that "it should be sold, and the money given to the poor."

The only way to end the clamoring is to smash and burn all the valuable art in the world.

Now you're just plain freaking me out.

The first of the Medieval Inquisitions is called the "episcopal inquisition" and was established in the year 1184 by a "papal bull", a letter from the pope, entitled "Ad abolendam", "For the purpose of doing away with". The inquisition was in response to the growing Catharist heresy in southern France. It is called the "episcopal" because it was administered by local Bishops, which in Latin is "episcopus". The episcopal inquisition was not very effective for many reasons.

As a result of these failures, "papal inquisition" commenced in the 1230s staffed by professionals, trained specifically for the job as decreed by the pope. Individuals were chosen from different orders and secular clergy, but primarily they came from the Dominican Order who had a number of traits that made them suitable (aka "the right stuff").

On July 21, 1542 pope Paul III, with the Constitution Licet ab initio, established the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition, staffed with cardinals and other officials whose task it was "to maintain and defend the integrity of the faith and to examine and proscribe errors and false doctrines". This body, part of the Roman Curia, became the supervisory body of local Inquisitions. The pope appointed one of the cardinals to preside over the meetings. There are usually ten other cardinals on the Congregation, as well as a prelate and two assistants all chosen from the Dominican Order. The Holy Office would also keep on retainer an international group of consultants, experienced scholars of theology and canon law, to advise it pertaining to specific questions.

Ferdinand and Isabella of Castile took dim view of Rome's position, and as necessitated by dealings with converted Muslims and Jews (and also illuminists), instituted the "auto de fe" as they felt pope Paul III's initiative was unworkable without real teeth to back it up. Their approach to the matter at hand subsequently gave rise to the Mexican Inquisition (an institution that continued in the Americas until Mexican Independence).

Auto de fe refers to the ritual of public penance or humiliation of condemned heretics and apostates that took place when the Spanish Inquisition had decided their punishment. Auto de fe in medieval Spanish means "act of faith" (the phrase commonly occuring in English in its Portuguese form: auto da fe, or auto da fé).

The punishment for those convicted of various crimes by the Inquisition ranged from wearing a special identifying penetential tabard or sanbenit, other penances, terms of imprisonment, to the ultimate penalty of being "relaxed." That is, their crime being so egregious that only the secular arm of the State would be able to fully reform the otherwise incorrigable. The secular state took a tough love approach through executions. These being generally levied against repeat offenders guilty of heresy. Prisoners in this category who remained obdurate, were immolated whilest still screaming for mercy; but if they recanted their heresy against the Roman Catholic Church, would mercifully be strangled at the stake just prior to immolation.

Autos de fe took place in public squares or esplanades. They lasted several hours: ecclesiastical and civil authorities attended. The first took place in Seville, Spain, in 1481, with the execution of six men and women. The last auto da fé of noteriety - involved the schoolmaster Cayetano Ripoll - took place on July 26, 1826. Ripoll's trial (on a charge of deism) lasted nearly two years. On the day that the sentance for his crime was carried out, Ripoll refused to cease repeating the words, "I die reconciled to God and to man" Garotting on the gibbet silenced the heretic for good and everybody was much relieved of his incessant blathering.

In 1616 the Holy Office's international advisors and consultants gave their assessment of the propositions that the Sun is immobile and at the center of the universe and that the Earth moves around it, judging both to be "foolish and absurd in philosophy," and the first to be "formally heretical" and the second "at least erroneous in faith" in theology. This assessment led to "Copernicus's De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium" to be placed on the Index of Forbidden Books, until revised and Galileo Galilei to be admonished about his Copernicanism. It was this same body in 1633 that tried Galileo.

Despicable muckraking journalisism gave pope Pius X no choice in 1908 but to rename the body to that of Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office (thereby granting distance to undeserved negative connotations that otherwise may be afforded the Congregation). However, Vatican II wasn't convinced that this in and of itself was sufficient, and was still not friendly sounding enough. And so it was agreed, that on Dec 7, 1965, the name of the Congregation would change to the "Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.". Nevertheless, the Holy Office still fearing the backlash of a public relations nightmare, decided the organization's image could be further enhanced, when in 1983, through use of the new code of canon law, the word "Sacred" was dropped from the names of Vatican Congregations.

Moreover, it was perceived that the Congregation's mission statement to be somewhat vague (thereby allowing a too loose interpretation of authority and jurisdiction). According to Article 48 of the Apostolic Constitution on the Roman Curia, Pastor Bonus, promulgated by Pope John Paul II on June 28, 1988: "the duty proper to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is to promote and safeguard the doctrine on the faith and morals throughout the Catholic world: for this reason everything which in any way touches such matter falls within its competence."

While popes have held the title of prefect of the Congregation until 1968, the office was never actually excerciesed. Instead, a cardinal was appointed by the pope to preside over the meetings of the Congregation, first as Secretary, then as Pro-Prefect. Since 1968, the Cardinal head of the dicastery has borne the title of full Prefect. It wasn't until April 2005 that the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (appointed in 2002 by John Paul II) became Pope Benedicct XVI.