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Senate Blocks Ag Worker Citizenship Plan
LA Times ^ | 4/19/05 | Mary Curtius

Posted on 04/19/2005 3:45:36 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

WASHINGTON — The Senate today blocked a measure that would have created a path to citizenship for an estimated 500,000 farmworkers and their families, dealing a setback to those who advocate legalization as the key to immigration reform.

The measure's supporters failed to secure the 60 votes needed to prevent a filibuster by opponents, ending the effort by Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) to attach the plan to an $80-billion emergency funding bill that mainly would pay for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Under the plan, any illegal farmworker who could demonstrate that he or she had worked in agriculture for at least 100 days in the 18-month period before Dec. 31, 2004 and meet certain other criteria would be eligible for temporary residency.

Once the worker obtained temporary residency, he or she would have to work another 360 days over at least the next three years and no more than six years to be eligible for permanent residency. The spouse and children of farmworkers who obtained permanent residency would also be eligible for permanent residency.

Opponents attacked the measure as a thinly disguised amnesty program that would only increase the flow of illegal immigration into this country, and said it was inappropriate to try to attach such a sweeping change to an emergency spending bill needed to supply troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; bushlickas; craig; illegals; ussenate
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1 posted on 04/19/2005 3:45:37 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: lainie; bd476

Otherwise known as the Vicente Bush "reward a felon" plan


2 posted on 04/19/2005 3:46:37 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Dare we rejoice at the news?


3 posted on 04/19/2005 3:47:10 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: La Enchiladita

A different but similar amendment also failed. It provided no path to citizenship. It was voted down by a super majority.


4 posted on 04/19/2005 3:49:45 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead (To hell with Mexico, its policies, and its leaders)
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To: BurbankKarl

This is a victory for Americans! Now, we need to round up the illegals and deport them.


5 posted on 04/19/2005 3:50:20 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..)
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To: kellynla; Txsleuth; Mr. Mojo; Marine Inspector; texastoo; wardaddy; SandRat; EagleUSA; itsahoot; ...

news ping


6 posted on 04/19/2005 3:50:29 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Okay, I'll allow myself to feel encouraged, but vigilant.
7 posted on 04/19/2005 3:51:50 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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To: BurbankKarl

GOOD NEWS BUMP


8 posted on 04/19/2005 3:52:11 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: BurbankKarl

Good news but we gotta keep the pressure on.


9 posted on 04/19/2005 3:52:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: BurbankKarl; Southack
The Senate today blocked a measure that would have created a path to citizenship for an estimated 500,000 farmworkers and their families, dealing a setback to those who advocate legalization as the key to immigration reform.

YES!


10 posted on 04/19/2005 3:53:04 PM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: NRA2BFree
This is a victory for Americans! Now, we need to round up the illegals and deport them

According to an Ed Goeas poll 80% of voting Americans are against that idea, so maybe you can celebrate your above fanatsy in the privacy of your bathroom and let the adults try to figure out a solution to this problem that has been festering for 40 years.

11 posted on 04/19/2005 3:53:47 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: BurbankKarl
The measure's supporters failed to secure the 60 votes needed to prevent a filibuster by opponents, ending the effort by Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) to attach the plan to an $80-billion emergency funding bill that mainly would pay for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Sure, Larry. Idaho has what, about 25,000 illegals? We'll pay for them for you. Forget the fact that California has millions and other states have millions more. Sure. We'll all pitch in and help you pay for them.

This man has no more patriotism than Clinton; Hillary or Bill.

12 posted on 04/19/2005 3:54:28 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: BurbankKarl

victories abound on the illegal alien front. When will the leadership in the White House realize they need to take a hard line on criminality?


13 posted on 04/19/2005 3:54:32 PM PDT by piceapungens
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To: Dane

Sucks to lose doesn't it?


14 posted on 04/19/2005 3:54:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL


15 posted on 04/19/2005 3:55:36 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: cripplecreek
Sucks to lose doesn't it?

Who said anything about losing? I wasn't for the Craig amendment.

It also must suck to be against 80% of the American electorate who don't condone mass deportations.

16 posted on 04/19/2005 3:58:05 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: BurbankKarl

"...100 days in the 18-month period before Dec. 31, 2004 and meet certain other criteria would be eligible for temporary residency.

Once the worker obtained temporary residency, he or she would have to work another 360 days over at least the next three years and no more than six years to be eligible for permanent residency. The spouse and children of farmworkers who obtained permanent residency would also be eligible for permanent residency."

Lets see.......that means that one person must work for a total of 460 days within a 7 1/2 year period, and is therefore rewarded along with a spouse and children.....how on earth would one make a case that this many people could have existed on 460 days pay for 7 1/2 years? Gimme a break! By the time the reward occurs, there will be 7 anchor babies born and then the farce matters not........but we will have financed it that long with a long list of social benefits.....the unearned kind......to the tune of at least 6 figures a copy.


17 posted on 04/19/2005 3:58:27 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Dane

Where is your poll that 80% disapprove of no Illegal Immigration?


18 posted on 04/19/2005 4:00:37 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Good!


19 posted on 04/19/2005 4:01:50 PM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: BurbankKarl

This is unbelieveable. If anything I'd have said this would have passed, and Bolton would have been passed. Instead Bolton is stuck in committe, and this amendment fails.

I'm happy it failed, understand, but it's as though the world is upside down today. We've had far more success in Bush's nominations than on the illegal front.


20 posted on 04/19/2005 4:01:53 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Dane

Who said I condone mass deportations Mr Wizard?


21 posted on 04/19/2005 4:02:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: Dane

".... festering for 40 years"

so what?

The crisis is that it has gone fulminant for the last ten years. (Yes, I chose the word carefully, for context)


22 posted on 04/19/2005 4:03:28 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: iopscusa

I think he said 80% Americans are opposed to mass deportations of illegal aliens.


23 posted on 04/19/2005 4:04:00 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

it doesn't matter whether they are citizens or not,

because the federal government issues them i.d. #s so that that they can buy houses.

the u.s. government depends on the housing market, new and used to push our economy.


24 posted on 04/19/2005 4:04:31 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: Soul Seeker

Voinovich is a moron...that is why Bolton failed.


25 posted on 04/19/2005 4:04:51 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: iopscusa
Where is your poll that 80% disapprove of no Illegal Immigration?

Uh it's 80% who disapprove of mass deportations,

Some 80 percent of voters say it's unrealistic to deport some 10 million illegals.

Link

26 posted on 04/19/2005 4:06:30 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: BurbankKarl

They call it a set back...I've been here 5 years now, I wasn't offered any special treatment, why should they?

Get in line like me...

MD


27 posted on 04/19/2005 4:07:17 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: BurbankKarl

I think ya'll are celebrating too soon--this afternoon an amendment was passed that was put up by Mikulski that allows ---illegals to come in and do "seasonal" work in NE restaurants--

When THAT amendments passed 94-6, it opened up the supplemental to the REST of the immigration bills that got voted down....

Those will prolly be voted on tomorrow----the dems won 2 big ones today---

the GOP should hide their heads in shame!!!


28 posted on 04/19/2005 4:07:17 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice!)
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To: Dane

"Sorry, this page has moved or does not exist"

Nice link. I'm convinced.............


29 posted on 04/19/2005 4:08:50 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: All

Do you think the Ag Jobs bill is basically a sellout to American agricultural corporations and interests?

Yes 97% 813 votes

No 3% 25 votes

Total: 838 votes


30 posted on 04/19/2005 4:09:01 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423)
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To: NRA2BFree
"Now, we need to round up the illegals and deport them."

Now, we need to round up the RINOs and send them home, too.
31 posted on 04/19/2005 4:09:17 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Dane
According to an Ed Goeas poll 80% of voting Americans are against that idea, so maybe you can celebrate your above fanatsy in the privacy of your bathroom and let the adults try to figure out a solution to this problem that has been festering for 40 years.

BWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

It's a real bummer to LOSE isn't it? LOL!! It just makes our victory that much sweeter! Does this mean that you'll be moving back to Mexico in the near future? Glad to see ya made it in time for our victory party! ;-)

P...S...Spell checker is your friend. Don't get so mad you forget to use it. :-)

32 posted on 04/19/2005 4:10:22 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..)
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To: Dane

"It also must suck to be against 80% of the American electorate who don't condone mass deportations."

Definition of "mass deportation?"
Source of poll?


33 posted on 04/19/2005 4:11:02 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Txsleuth

The BurbankKarl amendment is as follows:


"No guest worker shall work or reside in a county that has any citizen on unemployment benefits in that county."


34 posted on 04/19/2005 4:12:58 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Dane

"Some 80 percent of voters say it's unrealistic to deport some 10 million illegals. "

Forget my earlier post.

Huge difference between "unrealistic" and "don't condone."


35 posted on 04/19/2005 4:13:23 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Dane
You FOQNA loons must be pretty disappointed, huh?

Perhaps all 9 of you can get together tonight for a pity party...

36 posted on 04/19/2005 4:13:32 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: moehoward
Well I will use the FR link of the CS Monitor story.

Link

37 posted on 04/19/2005 4:13:39 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: NRA2BFree

The Christian Science Monitor - csmonitor.com

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38 posted on 04/19/2005 4:14:44 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

You beat me to Danes "spin" of the poll. Glad you caught it.


39 posted on 04/19/2005 4:16:54 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Czar
You FOQNA loons must be pretty disappointed, huh?

Well from someone(czar) who has major experience portraying looniness, you should know.

40 posted on 04/19/2005 4:16:58 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: BurbankKarl
See reply #37.

The CS Monitor states that Ed Goeas's poll says 80% of the voting public don't think mass deportations are realistic.

41 posted on 04/19/2005 4:18:42 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: cripplecreek
"Sucks to lose"

You should get down on you knees and thank Bush and Frist for stopping this.

But it ain't over. AgJobs, or its ugly step-brother aka the McCain-Kennedy compromise will be back.

I hope you noticed that 53 senators voted for AgJobs.

42 posted on 04/19/2005 4:20:27 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: BurbankKarl

I vote "AYE"!!!!

But I bet you would have a hard time passing that amendment in the GOP caucus!!!!


43 posted on 04/19/2005 4:21:16 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice!)
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To: Dane
A recent poll by Republican consultant Ed Goeas signals that some 25 percent of voters support such a plan, 25 percent oppose it, and 50 percent are undecided. Some 80 percent of voters say it's unrealistic to deport some 10 million illegals.

Is that 80% of 100% or 80% of 180% LOL!!
44 posted on 04/19/2005 4:21:28 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Now, we need to round up the RINOs and send them home, too.

Exactly!! I'm sure about right now they realize they were on the wrong side in this dog fight! I hope they get booted in 06 by a real Conservative..

45 posted on 04/19/2005 4:21:43 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..)
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To: Ben Ficklin

"You should get down on you knees and thank Bush and Frist for stopping this."


Uh, right theres your problem, the fact that you're on your knees for ANY politician.


46 posted on 04/19/2005 4:22:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: BurbankKarl

Greatest news today other than the new Pope is a real conservative whom the libs are calling "God's Rotweiller." Grrrrr - get 'em Papa!


47 posted on 04/19/2005 4:22:40 PM PDT by zerosix
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Huge difference between "unrealistic" and "don't condone."

Same difference, basically it says that mass deportations are not feasible, despite the almost pornographic prognostications of some on FR of such an event.

48 posted on 04/19/2005 4:22:47 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

""...100 days in the 18-month period before Dec. 31, 2004 and meet certain other criteria would be eligible for temporary residency."

Work 100 days out of 547 days, for those who think that crops are not harvested on weekends, work 100 days out of 360 days.

No wonder these people need subsidies!

When they become citizens they will understand the public assistance programs better than the people who wrote the programs or the legislators who approved them.

Can you tell me a reason why they will not continue being the parasites they were prior to citizenship?

One more qustion, can you tell me the benefits of citizenship for them?

A permanent Green Card would be their permanent membership card to the worlds largest and best public assistance program sytem known to man!


49 posted on 04/19/2005 4:26:31 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423)
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To: Dane
Polls are what they are...

I'd guess if they asked 800 likely voter's in San Diego, CA., Brownsville, TX, or Niland, CA.....the poll would be skewed differently.

I think most reasonable American's would agree that when illegal aliens of any nationality are apprehended...they ought to be sent back to their country of origin. Not turned loose and rewarded with work visas, schooling, healthcare, foodstamps...etc..etc...

I dunno...maybe I'm wrong.

FWIW-

50 posted on 04/19/2005 4:28:17 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Nishnabek.................)
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