Skip to comments.Rush Limbaugh: Cardinals Reject Pleas from the Left
Posted on 04/19/2005 5:19:12 PM PDT by wagglebee
RUSH: We have microphones in the Vatican. Let's JIP it.
CARDINAL / TRANSLATOR: My dearest brothers and sisters. (cheers) My dearest brothers and sisters. (cheers) My dearest brothers and sisters.
RUSH: He's speaking in a bunch of different languages, for those of you in Rio Linda. There's nothing wrong here.
CARDINAL: I announce to you a great joy. (cheers) We have a pope! (cheers) The most eminent and most reverent Lord Joseph (chimes) of the holy Roman Catholic church, Cardinal Ratzinger! (roars)
RUSH: So there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. From Germany, the new pope is Joseph Ratzinger. He was tight, he was very close -- theologically, ideologically -- with Pope John Paul II. This is going to send the left into conniption fits. I want you to listen last night, PMSNBC on Hardball with Chris Matthews, former John Kerry senior advisor and very consistent presidential campaign loser, Bob Shrum was the guest, and Matthews says (the Democrats are out campaigning for a liberal pope), "You heard Joseph Ratzinger, the dean of the College of the College of Cardinals today give his sermon, tough conservative sermon, wasn't it?"
SHRUM: It was. The speech this morning which denounced the modern world, liberalism, individualism, contrasted very sharply with, for me, with the speech with which Pope John the XXIII (gasp) opened the Second Vatican Council where he said, "We must beware of the voices of doom and gloom, that all we see evil in the modern world and in change we must encounter the modern world. We must open up to it. We must make the faith relevant for people." So it was a campaign speech for a very cons -- in my view, very conservative candidacy which I assume Cardinal Ratzinger believes absolutely. RUSH: Yes, he does, and this is not going to sit well. All last night on this program they were upset. They couldn't believe the church is not going to "modernize"! They can't believe the church is not going to become "relevant to the faithful." They can't believe that they're not going to get away from all of this stuff, this archaic stuff from the past and not become "modern," and yet, ladies and gentlemen, exactly what the left told you the church needed to do, the church did the exact opposite. Exactly what the American media has been suggesting, has been hoping, has been praying -- uh, they don't pray -- asking the Catholic Church to do, demanding that the Catholic do the Catholic church has done just the opposite. The church, in their view, has not modernized. The church in their view has not become more relevant to the faithful. The church has not accepted liberal ideas. What you're seeing today if you could look at this through a pair of liberal eyes, they see a competing chief justice of a supreme court that is more powerful than theirs that has just been named pope, and there's nothing they can do to filibuster it.
RUSH: (Wang Chung Bump) Cardinal Ratzinger has chosen the name Pope Benedict the XVI. Pope Benedict XVI. Check his age. He's 78 years old. I'm just going to predict to you the media is going to say, "This is a holding pattern for the church. The church chose somebody who won't be around for that long, certainly as long as John Paul II so," and they'll say, "The decision came rather quickly, too, as though the church wanted to maintain its profile, but we all know they really wanted to pick a pope from Nigeria. They really wanted to pick a pope from Latin America. They reeeeally wanted to pick a pope from wherever." So, he'll be hailed as a stopgap here, and the talk will continue. "I think this indicates the church actually does want to modernize. The church actually does want to liberalize, but they don't want to go about it gradually. They couldn't just go from John Paul II to the new modern liberal pope that we all knew was coming. So Ratzinger is there, Pope Benedict the XVI, as a holding partner, so to speak." So the talk will continue about what the church must do, since the church has not done what the left in this country and the world has demanded; since the church has not done what the media has asked and suggested, the church will continue to be disparaged and criticized. Here's Conrad in Queens. Conrad, welcome to the program. Great to have you on the EIB Network.
CALLER: Hello, Rush. It's a pleasure, sir.
RUSH: Hello. Thank you, sir.
CALLER: Rush I know you believe in substance over symbolism but I can't help but remark over the importance of the fact that they announced the election of a new pope right as your show came on the air, and you announced to your audience the fact that we didn't have a new pope. Do you have any sense of a --
RUSH: The timing is coincidental, maybe so pointed as to be beyond coincidence is what you're saying?
CALLER: I don't believe in random chance, Rush, when it comes to important events in our life. I believe in causal relationship.
CALLER: You believe in life; the church believes in life. You believe in freedom; the church believes in freedom.
RUSH: Interesting. I hadn't considered this, sir, but I'll certainly throw it into the hopper and consider it. That's a very interesting point of view. I'm very much, of course, accustomed to President Bush ending press conferences in time for this program to begin, that, we have a deal. But I have not spoken to anybody at the Vatican about this, and if this happened as you suggest...? Well, I'll let others speculate on this, ladies and gentlemen, and not throw my own two cents in. I appreciate the call, Conrad.
So the left no doubt depressed as they can be with the selection of the new pope. There will be no new surprises discovered from the Bible, no discovery in the Bible of the right or duty to have an abortion. The new pope is obviously trouble for the enlightened.
The left is now aware that the Holy Father considers them the enemy, and he is not afraid to voice his feeling
The left is now aware that the Holy Father considers them the enemy, and he is not afraid to voice his feeling...
When is the left going to face the fact that "normal people" (since I consider liberalism a mental disorder) do not like them and what they stand for. Even Homer Simpson gets it! DOH !
This should be entertaining. The hissing and snarling from the snakes on the left has just begun.
that was clear in father malachi martin's book "the keys of this blood".
Their only hope now is for the Oxyrhynchus Papyri to turn up some missing books of the Bible which happen to provide justification for what they want to believe.
Very good - but the person who typed/edited this is obviously not a Catholic (nor am I, for the record.)
It's a verbatim transcript from Rush's show today and I am certain that Rush is not a Catholic.
Rush- a thrice divorced, drug addicted entertainer speaks for American Catholics
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
I'm not so sure Benedict XVII sees the left as the enemy. I think he is more concerned about leading the Catholic church. As a Christian I believe that I am a footsoldier for God, we are in a spiritual war against evil. The Pope may be of the same mindset and content to fight or lead his group in the manner he thinks God wants him to do. Politics will be politic and those on the right or the left will say and posture to influnce whomever they can. I don't think you can get to be the Pope by being swayed by popular opinion or the politics of the day. His job is to lead his flock.
Make that Benedict XVI
I would have to assume that the Cardinals elected the Pope fully aware what his views are. His steadfast views have been anti-secularism, anti-abortion and strongly in favor of traditional Catholicism. His fellow Cardinals elected him to lead the faithful knowing how he would lead.
ROFL ;^D -- You just gotta love Rush!
A man responsible for the murder of early Christians became arguably the greatest apostle in his witness for Christianity (Saul/Paul).
A Catholic from Hollywood's upper echelon with a checkered past creates a movie that brings those of all Christian background together, regardless of doctrinal dispute, in a display of faith that shocks the liberal establishment.
A driftless former drunk is transformed by God and ends up becoming a pivotal President at a central point in world history.
God deals in irony every day. I see nothing shocking in Rush's defense of catholics. He's a sinner. I'm a sinner. So what. It doesn't exclude him from differentiating between right and wrong.
Rush is an entertainer.
Enjoy his show if you choose.
For some time I have felt the pendulum was beginning to swing back our way. Dubya and holding both houses of Congress is a start.
But today the pendulum got a major kick in the ass!
I'm not really aware of Mel Gibson having a checkered past.
From what I know, he wasn't ever one of the self indulgent, drinking, drugging womanizing types.
If your referring to the movies he has made, I do understand then.
"The left is now aware that the Holy Father considers them the enemy, and he is not afraid to voice his feeling"
I am not certain whether Holy Father considers ANYONE enemy. Even if he does, He will most surely BE afraid to voice His feelings.
Please remember that every Christian is under the obligation to pray for his/her enemies.
I doubt that Rush thinks he speaks for american catholics. All mortal beings are sinners, you, me, Rush, everyone. We all need God's forgiveness for our sins.
I don't doubt it. I agree with the balance of your comment.
I don't think Rush was "speaking for American Catholics," but for American "CONSERVATIVES!"
Do you have a prob with that, or are ONLY Catholics (of which I are one) allowed to speak for--or defend--us or the Church against the left/libs diatribe?
As far as the "thrice divorced, drug addicted entertainer" slur, I would say to you: Al Franken or Michael Moore, could not have expressed a more laconic invective, if they tried.
Perhaps, you should take a leave of absence and go listen to Air America?
He didn't cheat on his wife, but inbetween his first entrance to Hollywood and his renewal of committment to Christ years later, he wasn't the type of person you'd typically associate with the image of the "red state Bible belt".
It just amuses me the way God works. The Heartland despises Hollywood, and yet a member of the in crowd of Hollywood produces the most Faithful movie in generations. And he's a Catholic, where it might have been assumed this type of production would have been put forth by an evangelical.
Yeah, but Rush has yet to let an innocent girl drown.
Those Catholics have some nerve pre-empting most of the first hour of the Rush Limbaugh radio show today. LOL!
In retrospect, I misspoke. There in no "enemy" per se, the left is the source of anti-Christian, anti-God secularism, they are proponents of the Cult of Death and the exposure of their fallacies is the duty of Christianity.
Slur? just the facts.
JMHO - Rush is no more a role model for conservatives, or an example of a good conservative man than Al Frankin.
He gets paid based on the attention he gets for himself by broadcasting on the airwaves, and without that attention he is just a man, who speaks only for himself.
If you think he speaks for you, that is your option.
Perhaps you should speak for yourself. I'd wager you're probably a better man, conservative, and American than most.........including rush.
As with many items of faith, they haven't the slightest clue of what they speak of. ;-)
Right and Wrong are absolutes. It's a given as a fallen creation we will choose wrong over right in our weakness at points in our life. Right and Wrong remain constant even if we do not. God gave us his Word to distinguish each. And, he gave us a conscience. That little voice inside that isn't easily silenced.
The nature of Right and Wrong doesn't alter when we fail to perfectly embody His Will. It only proves our need for Christ to redeem us from this acknowledged sin. If we were not able to discern sin, than we also wouldn't understand out need for a Savior.
Would defeat God's entire purpose for allowing his Son to be crucified if we were incapable of understanding why it had to occur.
Yeah, but Rush has yet to let an innocent girl drown.
As far as I know, he's never become a "Cardinal" either.
If the Republicans were in charge of picking a new Pope, the Cardinals would be taking a three week vacation to thin it over and then coming back to the Sistine Chapel to continue their selection process.
It would be interisting to see who the Catholic Democrats are and see their comments. Lets begin with Kennedy.
Actually, he does have a checkered past, debauched nearly to the point of suicide in the early 1990's. His journey up from there is what has made him what he is today.
With all due respect, that is dead wrong. There is an enemy, it's just that the bulk of the liberal hand-wringers have been tricked into his service. It is right to attempt to save these dupes, but it is wrong to infer from that that the enemy is not real.
The left will just divert themselves to aboandoning the effort to rewite religion and they will go to rewrite the constitution.
I bet the left will try and use the Treaty power of the US government to rewrite the constitution by bypassing the constitution.
(what is "is")
Go to DU if you want to know , it's a riot over there. Most are on suicide watch I think.
I could find no evidence of faith over there. Just bitterness and resentment for anyone who has any. I really feel sorry for them, they are so unhappy with life and the world around them.
There was a moroness on one of the cable shows tonite who noted that Christ never explicitly mentioned abortion, fagotry, or birth control.
He never mentioned welfare, diversity or multiculturalism either. The left sure lifts them up as tenent of goodness though.
It amazes me at how those who don't believe in God can sure tell us who do just what God wants for us!!!
Seriously, I never remember the conservatives going this far down when Clinton was re-elected.
This is the POPE, it is not like an american politican elected or amendment was passed. Yet, the leftits are in kooky mode.
Why? Do they believe their ideas are beyond redemption?
I think that the left invested SO MUCH effort in obtaining personal power via the democrat/socialist party of the usa the falure of that plan is having serious impact. It is not that they think they should have infultrated the Republicans, the result would have been the same. THEIR IDEAS HAVE BEEN AND CONTINUE TO BE REJECTED. The left is being exposed and exposure results in their diminishing power.
They know their ideas are unsellable. This is why Dr. (silent) Dean is trying to change words but not actions. This is why Hitlary is TALKING to the right (but still acts to the left).
They have every reason to be down, in the comencement of life, the left did not graduate.
I'm not so sure Benedict XVII sees the left as the enemy. I think he is more concerned about leading the Catholic church. As a Christian I believe that I am a footsoldier for God, we are in a spiritual war against evil.
Think about the evil that both John Paul II and Benedict personally witnessed. The evils of socialism (both Nazi's and communistic). And what is the core of these pathologies? The denial of human nature and his spirituality. Take politics out of it and think about the movement's goal....To the extent that the left embodies the continued thrust of domination not freedom - materialism not spirituality - and death not life it is evil and God's enemy. Let's you and I know the enemy, soldier!
"If the Republicans were in charge of picking a new Pope, the Cardinals would be taking a three week vacation to thin it over and then coming back to the Sistine Chapel to continue their selection process."
And they'd probably not be able to pick a Catholic, because the CINOs would threaten to filibuster unless the principles of Scottish law were followed.
snip..Rush- a thrice divorced, drug addicted entertainer speaks for American Catholics
Observation: Whenever someone wishes to destroy the character of someone else, it's a fact of life that the accuser never smears his victim with the charge of being virtuous. No, the attacker must charge his intended victim with the same lack of character as he himself possesses. The smear-campaigner is saying in effect is: "See, he's (my victim) no different from me!" When As a consequence, as you indict Rush, you indict yourself.
Same here - my guess has been that they are more or less atheists who enjoyed the worship services. Otherwise I can't understand how someone who purports to believe in an eternal unchanging God can logically believe that the Church needs to "modernize". The very concept of "modernity" would mean nothing to such an entity, absolutely nothing.
True. You could say that about anyone, I guess, including the President--without his office, he is just like the rest of us, simply offering his opinion.
However, some people's opinions weigh more than others, based upon their experience, knowledge of subject matter, "credibility," etc., as as far as the Libs/Dems go, I cannot think of anyone who is more astute and accurate in delineating "their" methods, means and modes.
I've been listening to Rush for about 16 years and though I often disagree with some of the positions he articulates; often consider him just a little self-centered and over the top, I nevertheless, cannot think of anyone who has done more to advance the conservative cause in the past 25 years.
And no, I don't consider him speaking for me; no one does that, other than myself.
Moreover, I certainly am not a "sycophant," nor a "mind-numbed robot," (nor are the majority of his listeners, I believe) as the left is inclined to characterize those who listen to his program.
However while I might have misspoke, I thought I clarified that in stating that he was probably "defending" us conservatives, as opposed to us Catholics.
I don't know Rush personally, therefore, I cannot speak as to his character or morals. Nevertheless, as I know many upright and moral people who are not Catholic--and know as many Catholics who I'd as soon not associate with--I don't believe his not being a Catholic, or having had some personal "setbacks," disqualifies him from offering his opinion.
As far as perhaps, my being a "better man, conservative, and American than most.........including rush," I thank you for the compliment, but it is certainly, misplaced.
While I try to be all of the above, I fear I am but a weak, sinner, (like most) and simply continue to ask for His forgiveness, and try to do better--which is not always easy and my success ratio, (or better yet, my tendency to lapse)leaves much to be desired.
Peace, my friend and God Bless!
You are right. The enemy is Satan and his agents.
Shrum--wasn't he the one who said to Kerry on election night, "Can I be the first one to call you 'Mr. President'" ...LOL. Loser!!
Well, the papal announcement did come right at the start of Rush's show--good timing. But I can remember one bit of news that broke just AFTER Rush's show ended--when it was revealed the Jocelyn Elders was out of Surgeon General after suggesting that "masturbation was perhaps something that could be talk". On WRKO in Boston, Howie Carr was just getting on the air and he pounced on it--lots of funny jokes, etc.
But the consensus was that the Clinton administration announced the Elders news ON A FRIDAY AT 3 PM _just so_
it would be too late for Rush to deal with it! Think so?
oops "masturbation was something that could be TAUGHT." My fast-typing fingers strike again LOL
damn straight! ;)
"A driftless former drunk ..."
Where do you come off making such a harsh statement? Buying the propaganda from the Left, are you? So Bush partied a bit as a kid, most of us did. If you refer to GWB as a "driftless former drunk," how do you describe Klintoon or U.S. Grant, or Jammah Cahtah?