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Skeletons on your hard drive
CNet.News.com ^ | 4/20/2005 | Matt Hines

Posted on 04/20/2005 7:11:32 AM PDT by Mike Bates

Tax records, resumes, photo albums--the modern hard drive can keep increasingly larger volumes of information at the ready. But that can turn into a problem when it comes to effectively erasing the devices.

There are a number of options for cleansing the drives of unwanted computers, from special wiping software to destruction services to manufacturers' recycling programs. But what many PC owners don't realize, experts say, is that these methods are often not enough.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: computing; drives; eraseharddrive; erasing; harddrive; privacy
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I was hoping to find something else to worry about today. . .
1 posted on 04/20/2005 7:11:35 AM PDT by Mike Bates
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To: Mike Bates
Personally, I prefer the low tech solution: a magnet and a sledge hammer.
2 posted on 04/20/2005 7:13:03 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
I use the latter for when I'm fixing my computer.
3 posted on 04/20/2005 7:14:05 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates
Wouldn't a sledge hammer be the simple, inexpensive method to
permanently lose the hard drive?
4 posted on 04/20/2005 7:14:38 AM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: Mike Bates

Just great, and the ONE file that I accidentally deleted last night, I had to type all over again.


5 posted on 04/20/2005 7:14:58 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (Why yes, I am "narrow minded", thank you! See Matthew 7:14.)
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To: mewzilla; Mike Bates

You guys forgot the acetylene torch.


6 posted on 04/20/2005 7:15:39 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: NautiNurse
Wouldn't a sledge hammer be the simple, inexpensive method to permanently lose the hard drive?

Please. The correct spelling around here for that word is "loose," or haven't you noticed?

7 posted on 04/20/2005 7:16:39 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: facedown
You guys forgot the acetylene torch.

Heh heh heh. I'm a trog at heart. And a Luddite. I'm not fond of my FRED (aka my computer). Don't tempt me :)

8 posted on 04/20/2005 7:17:17 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
>Just great, and the ONE file that I accidentally deleted last night, I had to type all over again

Unless you used a
"security erase" thing,
you can recover

deleted files. Check
your documention for
"file, recovery."

9 posted on 04/20/2005 7:17:38 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: NautiNurse

A reliable friend told me that the only sure way to erase data from a hard drive is the physical way. He said that the most painless way was to rub sand onto the surface of the drive, hopelessly scratching it to prevent recovery.

But I'm kind of in favor of the torch idea.


10 posted on 04/20/2005 7:18:42 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough (Unlike anything you've ever been.)
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To: Mike Bates

Be series!


11 posted on 04/20/2005 7:18:52 AM PDT by Preachin' (Keep the Kerry/Edwards tags on your cars so we can identify the root of your disease.)
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To: Mike Bates
If you're worried about it use this debug script to erase your harddrive. I'm told this resets the magnetic media.

debug
-F 200 L1000 0
-A CS:100
xxxx:0100 MOV AX,301
xxxx:0103 MOV BX,200
xxxx:0106 MOV CX,1
xxxx:0109 MOV DX,80
xxxx:010C INT 13
xxxx:010E INT 20
xxxx:0110
-G

12 posted on 04/20/2005 7:18:57 AM PDT by The_Victor (Doh!... stupid tagline)
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To: Mike Bates

We have a programmer here that used to work at TRW and he says they can actually go back and recover data that has been written-over or deleted more then 7 times.

Pretty high tech stuff.

If you have that much of a secret, stay with smoke-signals and off your computer.


13 posted on 04/20/2005 7:19:02 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Mike Bates

Take out the hard drive when you are done with the computer and are ready to dispose of it, hit hard drive with a sledge hammer. Repeat as often as necessary.

Problem solved.


14 posted on 04/20/2005 7:19:49 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: mewzilla

They make excellent targets a well.


15 posted on 04/20/2005 7:20:20 AM PDT by IamConservative (To worry is to misuse your imagination.)
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To: edcoil

16 posted on 04/20/2005 7:21:18 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: The_Victor
If you're worried about it use this debug script to erase your harddrive. I'm told this resets the magnetic media.

Oh, OK. let me try tha

17 posted on 04/20/2005 7:21:25 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: IamConservative

PULL!


18 posted on 04/20/2005 7:22:17 AM PDT by TEXASPROUD
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To: IamConservative
They make excellent targets a well.

Hmmm, haven't tried that. Although I have used one for batting practice :)

19 posted on 04/20/2005 7:22:25 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: facedown; Mike Bates; mewzilla

I work in systems. We had a old server that just crashed. Nothing we could do to get it up. We took it to a secluded gun range. 5 of us with our assault rifles, about 500 rounds went into it. No data retrievable.


20 posted on 04/20/2005 7:22:29 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
rub sand onto the surface of the drive, hopelessly scratching it to prevent recovery.

Sounds labor intensive--unless you would consider a belt or orbital sander, or maybe a sand blaster?

21 posted on 04/20/2005 7:23:40 AM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: Mike Bates

Are you sure it's not luze?


22 posted on 04/20/2005 7:23:42 AM PDT by marvlus
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To: Mike Bates
How the hell the skeletons ever got from my closet onto my hard drive is a mystery to me.

...totally *flummoxed*.

23 posted on 04/20/2005 7:24:02 AM PDT by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: edcoil

This method involves using the edges of the tracks.

The more data they put onto hard drives, the less well it works. They can only recover some of the bits, not all of them. So your text data might or might not be readable. Binaries would be hopeless.

In any case, if the NSA is spending thousands to analyze your hard drive, you're in big trouble already.


24 posted on 04/20/2005 7:24:17 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Mike Bates

LOL


25 posted on 04/20/2005 7:24:23 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: Landru
LOL. Sounds like a case for CSI.
26 posted on 04/20/2005 7:25:15 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: JZelle
Knew someone would get it. Thanks.
27 posted on 04/20/2005 7:25:23 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: TXBSAFH
No data retrievable.

And ya'll felt a whole lot better too. Ahhhh......modern pyschiatry.

28 posted on 04/20/2005 7:26:15 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: facedown

5.56 nato therapy.


29 posted on 04/20/2005 7:27:48 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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I remove the platters from the drive and scratch them up with screwdrivers, and then I bend them in all sorts of funky directions with pliers. Next time I'll use some sand paper to score the platters too, thanks to a suggestion from an earlier poster.


30 posted on 04/20/2005 7:27:59 AM PDT by vollmond (Head back to base for debriefing and cocktails.)
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To: facedown

Fire! Fire! Fire! Cornholio always has the answers.


31 posted on 04/20/2005 7:28:02 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Mike Bates

Anyone have the cct board for a 12G Maxtor HD kicking around?


32 posted on 04/20/2005 7:28:50 AM PDT by kanawa (Confident,Cocky,Lazy,Dead)
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To: Mike Bates

Just try moving your computer when the harddrive light comes on. Bad things happen really quick.


33 posted on 04/20/2005 7:29:41 AM PDT by Stark_GOP
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To: Mike Bates
The correct spelling around here for that word ...

An internet spell checker's work is never done.
34 posted on 04/20/2005 7:30:05 AM PDT by clyde asbury (Singe ich ein Lied für dich Von 99 Luftballons.)
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To: theFIRMbss

Check what documentation? (clueless)


35 posted on 04/20/2005 7:32:13 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (Why yes, I am "narrow minded", thank you! See Matthew 7:14.)
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To: Mike Bates
The correct spelling around here for that word is "loose," or haven't you noticed?

Mike, it's liberals who care about spelling. Conservatives care about the quality of your ideas. We're the party of the people, not the party of liberal elites.

36 posted on 04/20/2005 7:32:13 AM PDT by GOPJ (Liberals haven't had a new idea in 40 years.)
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To: Stark_GOP
>Just try moving your computer when the harddrive light comes on

Ah, the kids these days
have no idea what a
real head crash can do . . .

37 posted on 04/20/2005 7:32:53 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: clyde asbury
An internet spell checker's work is never done.

Ah, butt sometimes you can't truss them two much.

38 posted on 04/20/2005 7:33:07 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

I looked at all these secure cleansing software items and decided that I'd just buy a new hard drive and hammer the old one.

Hard drives are cheap for PC's. Why pay almost the same cost for a wiper?


39 posted on 04/20/2005 7:33:27 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberals believe in their good; a good that is void of honesty and character)
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To: mewzilla
Personally, I prefer the low tech solution: a magnet and a sledge hammer.

That's what I always do. Just the sledgehammer, though. Then I leave it out for some rain.

40 posted on 04/20/2005 7:33:33 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Mike Bates
Oh, OK. let me try tha

Did it work?

Mike?

Mike?

Are you logged in?

41 posted on 04/20/2005 7:33:47 AM PDT by The_Victor (Doh!... stupid tagline)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Just soak the hard-drive in an airtight container filled with any highly-caffeinated beverage for about a week.


42 posted on 04/20/2005 7:34:35 AM PDT by Thrusher (Remember the Mog.)
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To: facedown; mewzilla; Mike Bates

Electric drills or pneumatic chisels do the trick as well.


43 posted on 04/20/2005 7:34:55 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TV News and the MSM - - - ROTFLMAO)
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To: GOPJ
We're the party of the people, not the party of liberal elites.

That's right, I almost forgot. Trying to spelling words correctly can be so elitist. Thanks for the reminder.

44 posted on 04/20/2005 7:35:04 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Thrusher
Just soak the hard-drive in an airtight container filled with any highly-caffeinated beverage for about a week.

I know that did the trick with my teeth, but you mean it works on drives too?

45 posted on 04/20/2005 7:36:37 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates
My hard-drive eraser:


46 posted on 04/20/2005 7:36:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: Mike Bates
lol
47 posted on 04/20/2005 7:37:20 AM PDT by clyde asbury (You’re always talkin’ ’bout your crazy nights.)
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To: Lazamataz

Which is also great for multitasking.


48 posted on 04/20/2005 7:38:29 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: NautiNurse

I have a geek friend who said to just dump a little mercury on your hard drive and that's that.
Of course, try not to get any on your skin.


49 posted on 04/20/2005 7:39:13 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: edcoil
If you have that much of a secret, stay with smoke-signals and off your computer.

Yes, because no one can see your smoke signals.

50 posted on 04/20/2005 7:39:37 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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