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Some Cardinals Get Chatty After Conclave
Guardian ^ | April 20, 2005 | DANIELA PETROFF

Posted on 04/20/2005 7:16:55 AM PDT by NYer

VATICAN CITY (AP) - Whatever happened to the sacred oath of secrecy?

Cardinals were sworn to silence about everything that happened during deliberations in the Sistine Chapel to choose a new pope. But within hours of the conclave, some German cardinals - delighted about the choice of their countryman, Joseph Ratzinger - spilled some of the secrets.

Cardinal Joachim Meisner told reporters Tuesday night that the new Pope Benedict XVI was elected on the fourth ballot - the first of the afternoon session. He added that Ratzinger got more than the required two-thirds support.

``It was done without an electoral battle, and without propaganda,'' the archbishop of Cologne told reporters at a residence for German priests in Vatican City. ``For me it was a miracle.''

There was spontaneous applause as soon as cardinals realized Ratzinger had won, Meisner said.

``And I burst out crying,'' he added.

Meisner and three other German cardinals spent about 45 minutes answering questions about the conclave and didn't seem worried about commenting despite their vow of silence - which Ratzinger led himself, as dean of the College of Cardinals, when the conclave began Monday.

One by one, cardinals filed up to a Book of the Gospels and placed their right hands on it. Ratzinger's admonition read, in part: ``We promise and swear not to break this secret in any way...'' To guard against high-tech leaks by cellular phones, there were even electronic jamming devices under a false floor in the chapel.

One query the cardinals wouldn't answer is exactly how many votes Ratzinger garnered.

``We've already said enough,'' said Cardinal Georg Maximilian Sterzinsky, the archbishop of Berlin.

Meisner gave a few clues about the new pope's emotional reaction on being named. He said Benedict XVI looked ``a little forlorn'' when he went to change into his papal vestments in the Room of Tears - which earned its nickname because many new pontiffs get choked up there, realizing the enormity of their mission.

``I was worried, because when he came back dressed in his white vestments, I thought he had forgotten his skullcap,'' Meisner said. ``But then I realized his hair is as white as his skullcap.''

Meisner added: ``By the time dinner came around, Ratzinger was looking much better and very much like the pope.''

The new pope asked cardinals to dine together on bean soup, cold cuts, a salad and fruit, Meisner said. The nuns who prepare their meals didn't have time to plan a special menu, so there were only two special treats - ice cream and champagne.

Some U.S. cardinals also offered insight about why the vote went to Ratzinger.

New York Cardinal Edward Egan, who worked for years in Rome and at the Vatican, was asked whether the new pope had the support of Catholics in Latin America and Africa.

``Obviously, he must have had support from the Third World,'' he responded. Going into the vote, there was much speculation about the possibility of a pope from the developing world, where most Roman Catholics live.

Philadelphia Cardinal Justin Rigali, who worked for more than two decades in Vatican diplomacy, said the decision to choose Ratzinger was not made in the days leading up to the conclave or as a result of Ratzinger's moving homily at Pope John Paul II's funeral.

``Decisions like this are not made on how a person impresses you in the last five minutes, the last hours, the last days,'' he said.

Rigali said the cardinals in the conclave thought about what John Paul had accomplished. Ratzinger was close to the late pope.

``We were looking for a successor of (St.) Peter,'' the first pope, Rigali said. ``We were looking for a successor of John Paul II. All of us were talking about the incredible qualities of John Paul II, knowing the world is calling him 'The Great.'''


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1 posted on 04/20/2005 7:16:58 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
Whatever happened to the sacred oath of secrecy?

Maybe they kept their fingers crossed.

2 posted on 04/20/2005 7:18:42 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: NYer

ping for later


3 posted on 04/20/2005 7:18:48 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
There was spontaneous applause as soon as cardinals realized Ratzinger had won, Meisner said.

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4 posted on 04/20/2005 7:19:04 AM PDT by NYer ("Love without truth is blind; Truth without love is empty." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
Cardinal Joachim Meisner told reporters Tuesday night that the new Pope Benedict XVI was elected on the fourth ballot - the first of the afternoon session. He added that Ratzinger got more than the required two-thirds support.

Umm, this info wasn't secret.

Everyone could tell by looking at their watch it was the 4th ballot.

And the only way you can win on the 4th ballot is to get a 2/3 vote or better.

5 posted on 04/20/2005 7:22:23 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: NYer

I wonder what the Papal Champagne might be.


6 posted on 04/20/2005 7:24:17 AM PDT by Sthitch
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To: NYer

Can't keep a happy German cardinal down........


7 posted on 04/20/2005 7:25:00 AM PDT by Route101
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To: NYer

Someone said on the news that Cardinal Daneels skipped the dinner. Is this true?


8 posted on 04/20/2005 7:25:38 AM PDT by Eepsy
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To: Sthitch

Mumm's the Word!


9 posted on 04/20/2005 7:26:15 AM PDT by Remole
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To: wideawake

Look at that picture. Imitation of Christ. Imagine a cross behind the new Pope.


10 posted on 04/20/2005 7:26:39 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Remole

11 posted on 04/20/2005 7:27:26 AM PDT by frogjerk
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To: NYer

I heard a clip of Mahony (!) on the radio this a.m. I forget his exact words (shock, I guess), but he said something to the effect of how pleased he was at the election of the new Pope -- he said it like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Or like he knows which side his bread is buttered on?


12 posted on 04/20/2005 7:31:14 AM PDT by maryz
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To: ClaireSolt

"Look at that picture. Imitation of Christ. Imagine a cross behind the new Pope."

He was just waving. Don't make him out to be more than he is. He's just a man.


13 posted on 04/20/2005 7:31:48 AM PDT by Preachin' (Keep the Kerry/Edwards tags on your cars so we can identify the root of your disease.)
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To: maryz

Yeah, probably. There were an awful lot of priests doing the happy dance yesterday.


14 posted on 04/20/2005 7:33:27 AM PDT by Jaded (My sheeple, my sheeple....)
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To: Eepsy
Someone said on the news that Cardinal Daneels skipped the dinner. Is this true?

If he did, maybe it was because of the bean soup and cold cuts.

15 posted on 04/20/2005 7:35:04 AM PDT by xJones
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To: maryz
he said it like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth

ROFL!

Cardinal Eagan had a similar reaction. In fact, he said that catholics are in for a pleasant surprise.

16 posted on 04/20/2005 7:36:48 AM PDT by NYer ("Love without truth is blind; Truth without love is empty." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
Some Cardinals Get Chatty After Conclave

Surely they're talking about last night's successful return of Matt Morris, and the return home for tonight's opener in the '05 Cards vs. Cubs rivalry!


17 posted on 04/20/2005 7:40:20 AM PDT by newgeezer (Go CARDINALS!!!)
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To: maryz
heard a clip of Mahony (!) on the radio this a.m.

His eminence has gotta be really bummed -- he's gonna get a lot more lonely in the next few years until his resignation is snatched up on his 75th birthday. I look forward to watching the rise of "JPII bishops" in the US hierarchy. We need more good leadership to go along with Rigali and George.

18 posted on 04/20/2005 7:42:35 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: maryz; NYer
I heard a clip of Mahony (!) on the radio this a.m. I forget his exact words (shock, I guess), but he said something to the effect of how pleased he was at the election of the new Pope -- he said it like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Or like he knows which side his bread is buttered on?

How Clintonesque. Ratzinger would be the last person Hollywood Mo would vote for. I wouldn't be surprised if he voted for himself. The writing is on the wall, Cardinal Mahoney!!!

I'm trying to remember specifics, but it had to do with an email that was leaked to the LA Times(and quickly dropped). It had to do with a police investigation, and the Archdiocese planning to obstruct justice. This was a couple of years ago. Apparently they were playing "hide the pedophile". I wish I could track it down.

19 posted on 04/20/2005 7:44:32 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I wouldn't be surprised if he voted for himself.

LOL! I have to admit that thought crossed my mind, too!

I'm trying to remember specifics, but it had to do with an email that was leaked to the LA Times(and quickly dropped). It had to do with a police investigation, and the Archdiocese planning to obstruct justice.

Is this it? LA Ponders Charging Cardinal Mahoney (you'll have to scroll down a bit).

20 posted on 04/20/2005 7:56:50 AM PDT by maryz
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To: NYer
Cardinal Joachim Meisner told reporters Tuesday night that the new Pope Benedict XVI was elected on the fourth ballot - the first of the afternoon session. He added that Ratzinger got more than the required two-thirds support.

Oooooh! Revealing "secrets" eh?

We already knew he had to get 2/3... so seeing him elected we KNEW he got more than 2/3. We also knew it was the fourth ballot by when the smoke was released.

I doubt this cardinal is in danger od excommunication for his breach of security.

The new pope asked cardinals to dine together on bean soup, cold cuts, a salad and fruit, Meisner said. The nuns who prepare their meals didn't have time to plan a special menu, so there were only two special treats - ice cream and champagne.

OMG! They have revealed the most sacred papal-vote lunch menu! The Church will never be the same!

21 posted on 04/20/2005 7:58:00 AM PDT by IMRight
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To: frogjerk

LOL! ("Mumm's the word"?)


22 posted on 04/20/2005 8:01:17 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: NYer
Go Cardinals!!!!


23 posted on 04/20/2005 8:02:12 AM PDT by Defiant (Amend the Constitution to nullify all decisions not founded on original intent.)
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To: NYer

I heard Egan go on about the humility of the new Pope.....humble, one thing Egan isn't


24 posted on 04/20/2005 8:03:12 AM PDT by brooklyn dave
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To: NYer

As long as we're not seeing anything mentioning who the "runners-up" were, or anything regarding compromises or coalitions, there is no breach of secrecy.


25 posted on 04/20/2005 8:05:12 AM PDT by AbeKrieger
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To: Defiant

And I believe the bird is named after the College of Cardinals, and not the other way around...


26 posted on 04/20/2005 8:05:33 AM PDT by frogjerk
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To: maryz
The most damaging allegations against Cardinal Mahony concern the case of Rev. Michael Stephen Baker, accused of molesting boys as young as 5 years old. According to the Los Angeles Times, “Baker described going to the offices of the archdiocese in 1986 and telling Mahony of his problem with sexual abuse. He said that in one meeting, an archdiocese lawyer suggested calling the police but that Mahony said no….. Baker continued to have frequent access to children over the next 14 years while he was assigned to nine different parishes. Six of the churches where Baker worked had elementary schools adjacent to the rectory… In an interview last month, the cardinal said the archdiocese had few options in dealing with Baker because the allegations against him were unproven. ‘Our biggest problem was that ... he wasn't found guilty of a criminal act,’ Mahony said. ‘That's a big problem.’” So, just in case you missed it, Cardinal Mahony knew that Baker was a child molester and refused to inform the police, and then gave Baker continued access to children on the grounds that Baker had not been convicted of molestation. Hard to believe, isn’t it? But wait, there’s more. Not only weren’t the police informed, but the victims’ parents, and even the other parish priests, were not informed that Baker posed a danger. Some additional details, courtesy of the LA Times: Two years ago, Cardinal Mahony authorized a secret 1.3 million dollar settlement with two brothers who complained that Baker had molested them for years. However, Mahony was still trying to keep the case from the police: “But leaked e-mail correspondence between top archdiocese officials reveals that Mahony was reluctant to turn over Baker's name to police as recently as late March.” By the way, the idea that Cardinal Mahony’s hands were tied due to lack of a criminal conviction is ludicrous. There is absolutely no requirement that the Church wait for a criminal conviction before removing a priest from his post or defrocking him. In fact, clergy who challenge Church authority are routinely sent to posts in isolated places or defrocked, even though they have done nothing worse than exercise their freedom of speech.

YES! Thank you so much. I was ready to start sifting through FR's archives. Do you have the misfortune of being in his diocese? Years ago, he came right out in an article and admitted to aiding and abetting illegal aliens. When the Times used to show pics of society parties and charity events, there was his Eminence cutting a rug, and hanging with the beautiful people. He also has political clout, and his candidates are not mine, and probably not any freepers. Oh yeah, there's that "cathedral" he had built. Ugly as sin, pardon the pun.

People think I'm too hard on ol' Rog. The article you linked to, just about says it all.

27 posted on 04/20/2005 8:13:08 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: AbeKrieger
As long as we're not seeing anything mentioning who the "runners-up" were, or anything regarding compromises or coalitions

Although I wouldn't be surprised if info like that dribbled out over time. Nothing makes people feel important like knowing a secret, but they just HAVE to tell or hint at it to make it that much better. Juvenile, but also human nature to some extent.

28 posted on 04/20/2005 8:13:12 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Ugh. Paragraphs are my friend :/


29 posted on 04/20/2005 8:15:34 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: JohnnyZ; maryz
I look forward to watching the rise of "JPII bishops" in the US hierarchy. We need more good leadership to go along with Rigali and George.

Like others across the US, our diocese is run by one of ultra liberal Jadot's appointees. He's been bishop for 27+ years and won't qualify for retirement for another 7 or 8. A "JPII bishop" would be welcomed with open arms here by the small remaining remnant.

30 posted on 04/20/2005 8:18:24 AM PDT by NYer ("Love without truth is blind; Truth without love is empty." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I'm in Boston myself, and have followed this whole thing with the fascination accorded roadside accidents . . . .

I think there's an awful lot posted on FR about Mahoney -- you would have had your work cut out for you!

31 posted on 04/20/2005 8:26:25 AM PDT by maryz
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To: frogjerk
And I believe the bird is named after the College of Cardinals, and not the other way around...

My guess is that the bird is named after the color, which itself may have come from the color of vestments worn by Cardinals (the Catholic ones). And Stanford is named after the color. And the Orangemen are not named after a color. And the Reds are named after socks. And the Blues are named after music.

32 posted on 04/20/2005 8:42:13 AM PDT by Defiant (Amend the Constitution to nullify all decisions not founded on original intent.)
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To: Mike Bates
Whatever happened to the sacred oath of secrecy? Maybe they kept their fingers crossed.

Doesn't look like they leaked anything substantial. Just general commentary.

33 posted on 04/20/2005 8:46:39 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
The writing is on the wall, Cardinal Mahoney!!!

Cardinal Mahoney, tear down that cathedral!

34 posted on 04/20/2005 8:48:32 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: maryz

Lol! That's why I was dragging my feet a little. I'd be searching all day :)

I sincerely hope that our Pope will clean this mess up, once and for all.


35 posted on 04/20/2005 8:49:43 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: Aquinasfan
Cardinal Mahoney, tear down that cathedral!

Bwahahahaha! Amen, brother(or sister)!

36 posted on 04/20/2005 8:53:58 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: NYer

Hey, NYer. I spoke with my dad last night and he told me that he watched Bishop (Howie) Hubbard's reaction on the news there in Albany last night. My dad said he was cracking up watching Hubbard try to dance around and praise the new Pope. He said Hubbard made some sort of comment about how he had some "differences" with the Pope on some issues. Actual quote: "At times, my position may have been different than his, ... but we must all rally behind him today."

Hey, Howie, there's a reason why you've been stuck as Bishop of Albany for nearly three decades and you're not going anywhere now, either! Too bad you snuck in just before JPII came to power and we couldn't have gotten a real Bishop for Albany instead.

Just take a look at what the Albany Times Union ran today:

Hubbard, who is considered a progressive bishop, took exception to reports that described Ratzinger as a dogmatic hard-liner and a staunch conservative who may be prone to cracking down on the liberal attitudes of American Catholics on issues such as gay rights, contraception, abortion and the role of women in the church.

No wonder the subhead of the articles was "Choice surprises Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard"

I'll tell you who else today must be feeling a little bit in the doghouse is my Cardinal here in D.C., McCarrick. Overall, he's not too bad, but he crossed Ratzinger last year during the presidential campaign on the issue of communion for pro-choice politicians. Article on "Oops, I crossed the next Pope" follows below:

McCarrick tempered letter on pro-choice politicians
By Julia Duin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published July 7, 2004



Washington Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick downplayed a letter to the U.S. Catholic bishops from the Vatican's chief doctrinal watchdog on whether priests should refuse Communion to pro-choice Catholic politicians.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger sent his letter in early June to Cardinal McCarrick and Bishop Wilton Gregory, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, in the context of dealing with Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry, a Catholic whose positions on several issues, including abortion, contradict church teachings.
But its full text, which was published Saturday in the Italian newspaper L'Expresso, contains much stronger language than Cardinal McCarrick used last month at a meeting of the country's Catholic bishops near Denver.
Cardinal McCarrick's nuanced speech during the meeting from June 14 to 19 paraphrased the Ratzinger letter to say that the Vatican had left the issue of Communion in the hands of the U.S. bishops.
As the chairman of a task force on Catholic Bishops and Catholic Politicians, it was his job to convey what Vatican officials had told him during meetings in Rome.
"I would emphasize that Cardinal Ratzinger clearly leaves to us as teachers, pastors and leaders WHETHER to pursue this path" of denying Communion, Cardinal McCarrick told the bishops in his speech, the text of which is posted at the U.S. bishops' Web site, on www.usccb.org.
"The question for us is not simply whether denial of Communion is possible, but whether it is pastorally wise and prudent," the cardinal said.
As a result, bishops voted 183-6 on a compromise statement allowing each bishop to decide whether to give Communion to pro-choice politicians.
Before the meeting, 15 bishops had released statements suggesting that pro-choice politicians refrain from taking the Eucharist, and four bishops forbade such politicians from doing so.
However, the Ratzinger letter says that denial of Communion is obligatory "regarding the grave sin of abortion or euthanasia."
Cardinal Ratzinger also says a priest should warn "the person in question" of the consequences, including the denial of Communion.
If "the person in question, with obstinate persistence, still presents himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, the minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it," Cardinal Ratzinger wrote.
The letter's last paragraph also takes on Catholics who vote for candidates because of their pro-choice stance.
"If he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate's permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia," that Catholic too "would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion," it reads.
That statement supports Colorado Springs Bishop Michael Sheridan, who on May 1 sent out a letter to his diocese saying Catholics who vote for candidates who support abortion, stem-cell research or euthanasia also should not take Communion.
But Catholics who vote for that politician on other grounds should not be penalized, the Ratzinger letter adds.
"Ratzinger's letter was stronger and firmer than we were led to believe," said Michael Novak, a Catholic theologian and author of many books on the church, who is in Italy this week. "It's pretty dynamite stuff."
Before leaving for Italy, he had heard of "dissatisfaction" in Rome over how Cardinal McCarrick was representing the church's teachings.
"I had heard Rome was much tougher than Cardinal McCarrick was letting on," he said. "Some people in the Vatican were upset that McCarrick was putting on too kind a face on it."
Cardinal McCarrick was out of town yesterday, but a spokeswoman released a statement saying he had not read L'Expresso reporter Sandro Magister's report on the letter.
"From what I have heard, it may represent an incomplete and partial leak of a private communication from Cardinal Ratzinger, and it may not accurately reflect the full message I received," the cardinal said.
"Our task force's dialogue with the Holy See on these matters has been extensive, in person, by phone and in writing. I should note I was specifically requested by the cardinal not to publish his written materials, and I will honor that request."
Raymond Flynn, the ambassador to the Vatican from 1993 to 1997, said American prelates often downplay the Vatican's instructions.
"The American church has been reluctant to speak out forcefully on a lot of these issues, whereas Pope John Paul II has instructed the Catholic Church to be more assertive," said Mr. Flynn, a conservative Democrat and former mayor of Boston.
"A lot of these American bishops aren't willing to get involved because of the backlash, because it's not politically correct, and the criticism they will receive from the liberal media," he said.


37 posted on 04/20/2005 9:02:56 AM PDT by ReagansRaiders
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To: Sthitch
Chateau Nuf De Pape?... does that come in a white bubbly?
38 posted on 04/20/2005 9:50:22 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Robe

Nope, Chateauneauf-du-Pape is only a still wine. Mostly red, but very little white is also produced.


39 posted on 04/20/2005 11:10:17 AM PDT by JackTom
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To: Robe

Nope, you can get a CDP as a white, but not sparkling.


40 posted on 04/20/2005 11:11:42 AM PDT by Sthitch
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To: JohnnyZ
he's gonna get a lot more lonely in the next few years until his resignation is snatched up on his 75th birthday.

I'm kinda hoping that in the next few years, we'll hear the announcement that Pope Benedict XVI has reluctantly accepted the early resignation of Cardinal Mahoney for 'health' reasons.

41 posted on 04/20/2005 2:14:08 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: maryz; TheSpottedOwl
I wonder when the LA Times is going to start doing breathless reports about Diocesan Cover ups, a la, the Boston Globe.

I, for one, will not be holding my breath waiting.

42 posted on 04/20/2005 2:17:58 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: maryz

I am still in search of any Catholic living in the Los Angeles Archdiocese who has one iota of respect for Cardinal Roger Mahony. Sure glad I live in the Diocese of Orange.


43 posted on 04/20/2005 2:23:27 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: SuziQ
I'm kinda hoping that in the next few years Mahony takes Cardinal George as a role model and becomes a new man.

Whose hope do you think is more likely? ;)

44 posted on 04/20/2005 2:24:37 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: brooklyn dave

I miss John Cardinal O'Connor.


45 posted on 04/20/2005 2:31:59 PM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche........ "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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To: SuziQ
I wonder when the LA Times is going to start doing breathless reports about Diocesan Cover ups

There have been faint rumors from time to time that came to nothing, at least so far. My own guess would be when it suits their own purposes because:

1. Mahony for some reason ceases to be useful to them;
2. Mahony is replaced by a conservative bishop; or
3. Mahony and/or the LA Times "get religion" (for all things are possible with God -- though I think Jimmy the Greek would say, "That's not the way to bet!").

We do live in interesting times -- as the old Chinese curse had it!

46 posted on 04/20/2005 2:33:57 PM PDT by maryz
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To: NYer

I'm not Catholic, but I loved Pope John Paul 2, and expect to love this new Pope as well.


47 posted on 04/20/2005 2:36:21 PM PDT by mombonn (¡Viva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: mombonn
I'm not Catholic, but I loved Pope John Paul 2, and expect to love this new Pope as well.

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen." - Matthew 28:18-20

"When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ." - Matthew 16:13-20

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you." - John 16:13-14

"So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. He saith to him again the second time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. He saith unto him the third time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep." - John 21:15-17

"Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." - Matthew 18:18

"Surprising every prevision I had, Divine Providence, through the will of the venerable Cardinal Fathers, called me to succeed this great Pope. I have been thinking in these hours about what happened in the region of Cesarea of Phillippi two thousand years ago: I seem to hear the words of Peter: 'You are Christ, the Son of the living God,' and the solemn affirmation of the Lord: 'You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church ... I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven'.

"You are Christ! You are Peter! It seems I am reliving this very Gospel scene; I, the Successor of Peter, repeat with trepidation the anxious words of the fisherman from Galilee and I listen again with intimate emotion to the reassuring promise of the divine Master. If the weight of the responsibility that now lies on my poor shoulders is enormous, the divine power on which I can count is surely immeasurable: 'You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church'. Electing me as the Bishop of Rome, the Lord wanted me as his Vicar, he wished me to be the 'rock' upon which everyone may rest with confidence. I ask him to make up for the poverty of my strength, that I may be a courageous and faithful pastor of His flock, always docile to the inspirations of His Spirit.

"I undertake this special ministry, the 'Petrine' ministry at the service of the Universal Church, with humble abandon to the hands of the Providence of God. And it is to Christ in the first place that I renew my total and trustworthy adhesion: 'In Te, Domine, speravi; non confundar in aeternum!'
Text of Pope Benedict XVI's message given at first Mass in Sistine Chapel

48 posted on 04/20/2005 4:20:44 PM PDT by NYer ("Love without truth is blind; Truth without love is empty." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: mware

so do I


49 posted on 04/21/2005 10:14:28 AM PDT by brooklyn dave
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