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Pope Predicted a Short Reign to Cardinals
AP ^ | April 20, 2005 | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 04/20/2005 2:12:39 PM PDT by prairiebreeze

VATICAN CITY Apr 20, 2005 — Pope Benedict XVI himself predicted a "short reign" in comments to cardinals just after his election, and his brother said Wednesday he was worried about the stress the job would put on the 78-year-old pontiff.

While there are no indications that Benedict currently suffers from any serious or chronic medical problems, there have been ailments in the past including a 1991 hemorrhagic stroke that raise questions about how long his pontificate will last.

The Vatican refused to comment Wednesday on Benedict's health, citing his privacy. The Vatican never officially confirmed Pope John Paul II suffered from Parkinson's disease until after he died.

Several cardinals, however, acknowledged that at 78, Benedict's term will be marked in years, not decades, and that he likely will not be the globe-trotting pope that John Paul became after taking the helm of the Roman Catholic Church at 58.

"We'll see what he feels like. I mean he's not a 56-year-old, you know," said British Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor. "He's a little bit older than that. So he may not do too much traveling. But you never know."

Benedict himself referred to his tenure in comments to cardinals just after his election, when he explained his choice of the name Benedict XVI, the pope who served from 1914-22 and had worked to prevent World War I during his brief papacy.

Chicago Cardinal Francis George said Ratzinger had told the cardinals, "I too hope in this short reign to be a man of peace."

While he has no apparent history of chronic health problems, the German was hospitalized at least twice in the early 1990s, including in September 1991 after he suffered a hemorrhagic stroke that temporarily affected his left field of vision, according to Time magazine and Vatican journalist John Allen in his 2000 book "Cardinal Ratzinger." There is no indication that it left any lingering health difficulties.

A hemorrhagic stroke can be caused by many things, including high blood pressure, head injury or weak blood vessels that can burst. It is different from an ischemic stroke, which is caused by a blockage in the blood vessels leading to brain.

In August 1992, during a vacation in the Italian Alps, Ratzinger was knocked unconscious when he fell against a radiator and bled profusely, Time and the Italian news agency ANSA reported at the time.

Time quoted him as saying a year later: "Thank God, there are hardly any traces of it now."

German prelates have expressed concern about Ratzinger's health. One young priest from Cologne, who asked not to be identified, told AP in Rome that Benedict has trouble sleeping and has a "delicate constitution." The new pope's brother had expressed a similar concern in a television interview.

Benedict's brother, Georg Ratzinger, told The Associated Press on Wednesday from Regensburg, Germany, that he was concerned about his brother's health and the stress the office will put on him.

"I'm not very happy," Georg Ratzinger said. "He's OK, and his health is good. I just wish for him, that his health holds out and that his office isn't a worry and a nuisance to him."

Ratzinger, the oldest pope elected since Clement XII in 1730, clearly was chosen as a "transitional" pope, who would fulfill the unfinished business of John Paul's quarter-century papacy yet not be another long-term pope.

Yet in electing someone who had repeatedly asked John Paul to let him retire and been refused there was also the possibility that the world would watch another pope slowly succumb to age and ailments on a very public stage. Benedict was the oldest pontiff elected in 275 years.

"Obviously he's 78 so he's not going to have decades ahead of him, but he has a lot of zeal and energy, and he has already committed himself fully to the work ahead of him," Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony told CNN.

Thomas Frauenlob, director of St. Michael's seminary in Traunstein where the pope studied as a youth and still visits annually, said he had never heard of any major ailments.

"He seems healthy," said Frauenlob, who last saw him over the New Year's holiday. "He comes and eats and drinks whatever he wants."


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If a 78 year old liberal pope had been elected the leftist media would have fallen all over themselves trying to make it sound like he was going to live to be 110.

Ghouls....

1 posted on 04/20/2005 2:12:50 PM PDT by prairiebreeze
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To: prairiebreeze

His being 78 years old gets their hopes up.


2 posted on 04/20/2005 2:15:04 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: prairiebreeze

That didn't take long to put him on media death watch.


3 posted on 04/20/2005 2:15:51 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: prairiebreeze

It doesn't matter much how long he serves (as long as it's longer than JPI!), it's how he uses the time.

May God grant him wisdom, stamina(!) and vigorous health until his time is due.


4 posted on 04/20/2005 2:16:08 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: prairiebreeze

In other words, the man hasn't been seriously ill since 1991, but the Left can always hope.


5 posted on 04/20/2005 2:16:52 PM PDT by Southern Federalist
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To: prairiebreeze

The important thing is that Desmond Tutu, Kofi Annan and Nelson Mandella are disappointed.


6 posted on 04/20/2005 2:19:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Dog Gone

"That didn't take long to put him on media death watch."

Yeah really!


7 posted on 04/20/2005 2:20:00 PM PDT by ladiesview61
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To: prairiebreeze

He's pretty spry for 78. Bush made a good pick IMO.


8 posted on 04/20/2005 2:20:04 PM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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To: prairiebreeze
The Vatican refused to comment Wednesday on Benedict's health, citing his privacy.

Just like x42 and John Kerry.

Pope Benedict XVI is a liberal after all.


lol.

The Leftists/Liberals/MSM are in meltdown over the election of this Pope [teeheeheehee, snicker].
9 posted on 04/20/2005 2:22:13 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: prairiebreeze

I'd have to assume the voting Cardinals knew what they were doing and what his condition was.


10 posted on 04/20/2005 2:22:41 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Dallas59
He's pretty spry for 78. Bush made a good pick IMO.

Karl Rove was Ratzinger's campaign manager don'cha know?

11 posted on 04/20/2005 2:23:25 PM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: prairiebreeze
Lousy Ghouls....

My German Grandma & Grandpa both lived to 99.

Long serve Pope Benedict XVI.

12 posted on 04/20/2005 2:24:09 PM PDT by OnTheDress (His legacy is a stain on the dress.)
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To: prairiebreeze

"Ratzinger had told the cardinals, "I too hope in this short reign to be a man of peace."

He probably meant "short" in comparison to JP2's 26+ years.


13 posted on 04/20/2005 2:25:04 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (CARPE TUNNEL - seize the mouse)
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To: OnTheDress

My German mother lived to 94. ~With all her faculties intact until she died.

She was Bavarian, too!


14 posted on 04/20/2005 2:27:32 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Just because you put lipstick on a pig doesn't mean it smells any better.)
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To: R. Scott
His being 78 years old gets their hopes up.

Exactly. God grant him many years!

16 posted on 04/20/2005 2:30:23 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican
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To: prairiebreeze

Interesting that the AP didn't bother to state that the Pope's only brother Georg is also a priest, even though they mention him several times in the article.

Just calling him Georg, instead of Father Georg, seems a bit disrespectful.


17 posted on 04/20/2005 2:30:49 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: prairiebreeze; Petronski; fortunecookie


And so the death watch commences....
may our Holy Father live in good health to be 120.


18 posted on 04/20/2005 2:33:11 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: prairiebreeze
I just wish for him, that his health holds out and that his office isn't a worry and a nuisance to him.

The most poignant thing in this whole process, to me, is that little room they get dressed in before they come out on the balcony. The Room of Tears.

19 posted on 04/20/2005 2:33:46 PM PDT by siunevada
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To: prairiebreeze

Sounds distrubingly similar to RUSH's prediction 5seconds after it was announced.

That is his idea that the media would try to paint him as a "holding pattern" pope, only a temporary stopgap to liberalizing the chruch.

Sounds like he was right... again


20 posted on 04/20/2005 2:35:32 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon ( though)
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To: prairiebreeze

Someone who is up on the the church's interpretation of the Book of Revelations told me that this Papacy would be brief, and the next one would be the last. Is there a theory out there on this???


21 posted on 04/20/2005 2:35:37 PM PDT by Spok
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To: prairiebreeze
Chicago Cardinal Francis George said Ratzinger had told the cardinals, "I too hope in this short reign to be a man of peace."

Benedict XVI will serve well until his time comes, as it will for all of us.


Of course then you have the Call to Action folks who are dying off or (formally, finally) leaving the Church, with those remaining wringing their hands as they begin to realize that their schemes didn't succeed under John Paul II, will not succeed under Pope Benedict XVI nor under his successor as the college of Cardinals only gets more conservative with time.

22 posted on 04/20/2005 2:36:14 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: Dog Gone

They've just added him to the list with Dick Cheney, Denny Hastert, etc. They just took Henry Hyde off the list, now that he's announced his retirement. The Left is so transparent.


23 posted on 04/20/2005 2:37:45 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Spok


Far too many, and I don't believe a one of 'em.


24 posted on 04/20/2005 2:38:26 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: prairiebreeze

The libs are just praying that his is a short run. I'm praying that he has a good, long reign and that the cardinals pick someone even more conservative after him. ;O)


25 posted on 04/20/2005 2:41:25 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

Yep.


26 posted on 04/20/2005 2:41:38 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: JohnnyZ

I stayed up last night to watch CNN's televised interviews
with six or seven of our American Cardinals.

If you think Mahoney is uttering praises... you should have
heard McCommick words of adoration and respect... all of
which I hope he meant. For reasonss unbeknowst to me, I
actually think McCommick was talking sincerely. Amazing, huh?


27 posted on 04/20/2005 2:42:38 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: prairiebreeze
Ratzinger, the oldest pope elected since Clement XII in 1730...
Benedict was the oldest pontiff elected in 275 years.


Redundancy... Back to Journalism 101 with thee...
28 posted on 04/20/2005 2:46:20 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Democratic Underground- where dim wits go to be impressed by the intellect of half wits.)
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To: pa mom
It doesn't matter much how long he serves (as long as it's longer than JPI!), it's how he uses the time.

The cardinals elect the pope, but the pope appoints the cardinals and bishops. JP II appointed all but two of the cardinals who voted in the conclave, and they chose a traditionalist. You can be sure that Pope Benedict will have accumulated a long list of good people to install in any vacancies that might appear during his tenure, which means there will be even fewer leftist cardinals voting at the next conclave

29 posted on 04/20/2005 2:49:35 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (What does the wolf care how many sheep there be?)
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To: Fudd Fan

The average reign of popes, including interregnum, is about 7.5 years.


30 posted on 04/20/2005 2:55:14 PM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: prairiebreeze

Pope Benedict XV was elected pope on Sept. 3, 1914, about a month after the First World War began, so he wasn't in a position to try to "prevent" the war.


31 posted on 04/20/2005 2:57:26 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: RobbyS

Since 1700 the average reign has been about 14 years. The last pope elected at the age of 78 reigned for 9 1/2 years.


32 posted on 04/20/2005 2:59:11 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: onyx
For reasonss unbeknowst to me, I actually think McCommick was talking sincerely. Amazing, huh?

McCarrick and Mahony defy my understanding, in different ways.

33 posted on 04/20/2005 3:06:24 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: JohnnyZ

I hear ya, but it was Detroit's cardinal who irked me last night.
What's with him?


34 posted on 04/20/2005 3:07:51 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: OnTheDress

My German-heritage grandpa lived to 94. The MSM might as well stop celebrating. ;)


35 posted on 04/20/2005 3:08:00 PM PDT by madison10
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To: onyx

Maida? He's generally okay, on a scale ..... although usually acts a couple years after he needs to. Had to be dragged kicking and screaming into letting people celebrate Latin Mass. My theory is he needs better influences in his life and then he'd be pretty good. Instead he's surrounded by heretics like Bishop Gumbleton. Michigan seems to rival Upstate NY for liberalism.


36 posted on 04/20/2005 3:15:50 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The important thing is that Desmond Tutu, Kofi Annan and Nelson Mandella are disappointed.

You can say THAT again!

37 posted on 04/20/2005 3:15:52 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Dallas59

hehee!


38 posted on 04/20/2005 3:18:22 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Blogs have a strangle hold on the MSM. The MSM is kicking out the windshield.)
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To: prairiebreeze

I hope he lives to be 100.


39 posted on 04/20/2005 3:18:36 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Yessirree. Good post bump!


40 posted on 04/20/2005 3:22:43 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Blogs have a strangle hold on the MSM. The MSM is kicking out the windshield.)
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To: JohnnyZ


Yes, Maida. I didn't much like his remarks.
Something about "Benedetto's" shortcomings.
Like we need one of our own chiming in with
the bashers.


41 posted on 04/20/2005 3:27:43 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Great point. Obviously, Benedict's strengths outweighed any potential downside to his age.

And after all, these days, 90 is very possible. I just pray he stays strong up til the end. JPII went out quite well, just 5 weeks after the surgery. His weakness prior to that time did not materially affect him, IMO.


42 posted on 04/20/2005 3:35:26 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: prairiebreeze

Jesus died in his thirties.


43 posted on 04/20/2005 4:29:15 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Yes, he did. And your point is..?


44 posted on 04/20/2005 4:41:49 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Blogs have a strangle hold on the MSM. The MSM is kicking out the windshield.)
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To: prairiebreeze
According to the prophesy he will be the second to the last Pope. The last Pope being evil, before the Kingdom comes. I have no idea of the validity of this prophesy, but if it is true, than I think this Pope won't last long. I believe that Christ returning to Earth, first through His Bride, the perfected, remnant church, is imminent.
45 posted on 04/20/2005 4:41:49 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.)
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To: prairiebreeze

The cardinals would do well to research another guy of suitable stature with an eye to availability in the 2010-2015 time frame. Or Ratzinger himself could target a protege. The age of this man doesn't bode very optimistic for an extended reign.


46 posted on 04/20/2005 4:49:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath

What does Ratzinger think about this Malachy stuff himself? Enough to start thinking about who the next guy ought to be in order to head off the "problem," and dropping strong hints? I am not sure it is good to give in to an extrabiblical prophecy, which might be from the devil rather than God.


47 posted on 04/20/2005 4:54:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
The last Pope being evil, before the Kingdom comes.

All we know know for sure is that the forces of evil are arraying against the new Pope. Where that leads is very unclear.

48 posted on 04/20/2005 4:56:19 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well, since I happen to believe the Holy Spirit is at work in these things, I tend to put my trust with God.


49 posted on 04/20/2005 4:56:34 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Blogs have a strangle hold on the MSM. The MSM is kicking out the windshield.)
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To: prairiebreeze
Yes, he did. And your point is..?

My point is that longevity is no indicator of accomplishment.

50 posted on 04/20/2005 5:08:19 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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