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Courts still need restraint - (Tom Delay's remedy; impeach judges, or change the law?)
BOSTON HERALD.COM ^ | APRIL 20, 2005 | GUY DURST

Posted on 04/20/2005 4:02:56 PM PDT by CHARLITE

The Terri Schiavo case so outraged House Republican leader Tom DeLay that he has all but declared war on the judiciary. Heaven knows judicial arrogance needs discussion, but a politician under siege for alleged ethics violations who is upset over a single outcome that two-thirds of the country agrees with is not the person to get discussion going.

After federal courts refused to act in the Schiavo case despite the new jurisdiction that Delay helped create, DeLay said the courts had ``run amok'' in abortion and school prayer cases. Congress, he said, ``must make sure the judges administer their responsibilities.''

Some conservative activists started muttering about impeaching Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy (he's the author of a few recent decisions they don't like).

Other GOP leaders were aghast, fearing that the hullabaloo would threaten their effort to win Senate votes on judicial nominees threatened with filibuster. And sky-is-falling editorial writers wondered if the judiciary would survive.

The uncomfortable fact is that DeLay is on to something. Judges at all levels all over the country long have been throwing precedent and logic to the winds to reach results they want. In Massachusetts we recall federal Judge W. Arthur Garrity's failed experiment in running the Boston schools and our Supreme Judicial Court's more recent discovery of a ``right'' of gays to marry. We are not alone.

Activist judges seem to have forgotten that their decisions must be judged reasonable both by people who don't like the result and people who do. Case in point: Kennedy's opinion outlawing the death penalty for 16-year-olds and 17-year-olds. Using the trend of laws in other countries to justify it strikes us as unreasonable indeed.

There are a number of tools that can be used legitimately against out-of-bounds judges. (Cutting court budgets is not one.) The Constitution grants Congress power over the Supreme Court's jurisdiction. The framers thought impeachment was the remedy for judges guilty of ``a series of deliberate usurpations'' - a series, not a single case (``The Federalist,'' No. 81). Ending nomination filibusters can be thought of as another. As 11 states reminded us last November, constitutions can be amended. New laws can be enacted.

If any of this is undertaken, it should be done soberly. In an ideal world, it would be led by public figures of stature who are not involved in partisan politics.

The Schiavo case has precious little to do with the problem. In her case, all the judges applied the law as they found it. If it takes up DeLay's request to examine the actions of the federal courts in this case, the House Judiciary Committee should concentrate on whether changes are needed in the law, not the judges.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: anthonykennedy; courts; delay; federalcourts; filibuster; impeachment; judgegreer; judges; judiciary; reform; scotus; terrischiavo; tomdelay
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To: dirtboy; IleeneWright
Under the law in Florida as I understand it, in the absense of the living will, the husband becomes the lead surrogate.

No, as I stated, surrogate has a definite meaning in this situation. The husband becomes the proxy and must meet the clear and convincing standard before the decision to remove the nutrition can be ordered. As IleeneWright notes in post #44, Terri was given a guardian ad litem when Michael first petitioned to remove the feeding tube. The GAL found that Michael was not clear and convincing. Plus, as I have noted hearsay evidence is inadmissible.

90.802 Hearsay rule.--Except as provided by statute, hearsay evidence is inadmissible.

90.803 Hearsay exceptions; availability of declarant immaterial.--The provision of s. 90.802 to the contrary notwithstanding, the following are not inadmissible as evidence, even though the declarant is available as a witness:
(4) STATEMENTS FOR PURPOSES OF MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS OR TREATMENT.--Statements made for purposes of medical diagnosis or treatment by a person seeking the diagnosis or treatment, or made by an individual who has knowledge of the facts and is legally responsible for the person who is unable to communicate the facts, which statements describe medical history, past or present symptoms, pain, or sensations, or the inceptions or general character of the cause or external source thereof, insofar as reasonably pertinent to diagnosis or treatment.

61 posted on 04/22/2005 7:51:23 AM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: CyberAnt

Right. "Good behavior" means honoring your solemn oath to the USA. That is the most basic, most vital aspect of GOOD BEHAVIOR. --FReegards....


62 posted on 04/22/2005 8:19:55 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: IleeneWright

I haven't heard any updates on any of the issues as of yet, except that Grandma Mae is leaving the state. :)


63 posted on 04/22/2005 8:23:02 AM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: dirtboy; floriduh voter; 8mmMauser; amdgmary; dandelion; FreepinforTerri; EternalVigilance; cyn; ...
Here are just a few of the Florida criminal statutes that apply to what was done to Terri. There are many more state and Federal statutes that were broken including civil law. Also, don’t forget the American’s with Disabilities act, Terri’s right to due process, The fraudulent use of Terri’s rehabilitation and medical funds, and Her constitutional right to life.

825.102, and 825.103 alone are enough to indicate that Greer, Felos, Bushnell, and Michael should all be in jail right now as well as all medical and law enforcement personnel who participated in the act of killing a disabled American.

It never ceases to boggle my mind that Americans are willing to allow judges to be above the law. What a dangerous and idiotic notion. If anything they should be held to an even stricter interpretation than the common citizen.

825.102 Abuse, aggravated abuse, and neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult; penalties.

825.103 Exploitation of an elderly person or disabled adult; penalties.>

817.505 Patient brokering prohibited; exceptions; penalties

876.09 Scope of law.

798.01 Living in open adultery.

777.03. Accessory after the fact

777.04 Attempts, solicitation, and conspiracy.

843.0855 Criminal actions under color of law or through use of simulated legal process.

843.14 Compounding felony.

839.24 Penalty for failure to perform duty required of officer.

872.03 Cremating human bodies; limitation.

876.05 Public employees; oath.

876.06 Discharge for refusal to execute.

876.09 Scope of law.

876.41 Conspirators.
64 posted on 04/22/2005 8:27:09 AM PDT by russesjunjee (Shake the fog from your eyes sheople! Our country is swirling down the sewer!)
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To: IleeneWright
Either America has changed, or the America that I was taught to believe in was false to begin with.

I still trying to decide which it is.
65 posted on 04/22/2005 8:28:52 AM PDT by russesjunjee (Shake the fog from your eyes sheople! Our country is swirling down the sewer!)
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To: Sun

I haven't heard any updates on any of the issues as of yet, except that Grandma Mae is leaving the state. :)


Please don't tell me that she's going back to GEORGIA!!!

SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!


66 posted on 04/22/2005 8:50:43 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: IleeneWright

No, it's good news. I think she's going to a pro-life state, but I'm so confused I forgot the name of the state.


67 posted on 04/22/2005 8:57:22 AM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: All

I think the senators listed below are key senators. Are they from your state?

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4/12/05

http://www.lifeissues.org/breakingnews.html


68 posted on 04/22/2005 9:00:11 AM PDT by Sun (Visit www.theEmpireJournal.com * Pray for Terri. Pray to end abortion.)
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To: russesjunjee

Either America has changed, or the America that I was taught to believe in was false to begin with.

I still trying to decide which it is.


Can you let ME know when you figure it out? :)

Prior to Terri, I certainly wasn't naive'. I understood how "politics" worked, but I then, my eyes were REALLY opened prior to Terri, around the election, when I did begin to feel that America seemed to have changed!

I've thought about it A LOT and I believe that America began to change with the clinton administration. At no time in our history was there a Presidential administration like Clinton's!

I can't recall a time, wherein a PRESIDENT literally sold the PEOPLE'S HOUSE OUT for a PRICE! Lincoln's bedroom, etc...under handed campaign funds, funneled through communist entities, etc....

Although politicians were *politicians* and everyone always just accepted the old politicians are *politicians* adage and mindset, I've never in my life seen such, crooked, underhanded, illegal, DASTARDLY, mean spirited, EVIL, selfish, unAmerican, hateful, despicable, will stop at NOTHING to WIN political maneuvering, like I witnessed during this last election, which was then.....only CONFIRMED, during Terri's ordeal!

I don't recall the existence of such HATEFULNESS! Such a love for EVERYTHING immoral and just plain MEAN & EVIL! The way that I grew up, with the mindset that I was raised with and others in my age group and those before me, seems to have become the reverse and has become the repulsive trend and mindset today?

Everything that we were told that was bad, is now good, correct, appropriate and the only acceptable minset! Everything we were taught that was good and worthwhile, has now become an EVIL and DISGUSTING mindset!

I am leaning heavily towards AMERICA has CHANGED significantly and DRASTICALLY! But then who the heck knows? I might be WRONG? Perhaps AMERICA has ALWAYS been *this way* and I was just BRAIN WASHED into believing otherwise?

(Wish I could use a SHOCKED emoticon!)

I've just become so deeply SADDENED and so DISAPPOINTED by it all!

I never thought that I would ever live to see the day, when AMERICA would allow and WATCH, a court ordered and court sanctioned DEATH of a helpless, disabled fellow American!

What's more, is the FACT that there are so many other AMERICANS, who have actually JUSTIFIED what took place and call it RULE OF LAW and LEGAL, as if this was a NORMAL, COMMON OCCURRENCE in American!

Although I remain POSITIVE, in terms of my FAMILY, my FRIENDS, my GOD, my FAITH and the fact that I KNOW that there are other Americans such as yourself, who still believe that what was once Good is still GOOD and what was once bad is still BAD...YES, THIS......has FOREVER changed me and has FOREVER changed my whole PERSPECTIVE!


69 posted on 04/22/2005 9:34:54 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: Sun

LOL Well when you remember the STATE, please let us all know, so that we can all begin packing our bags! lol


70 posted on 04/22/2005 9:42:22 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: Sun

All LIBpublicans??????????? I was expecting to see a list of LIBERALS! Unbelievable! Wow, makes me feel so warm and fuzzy knowing that every American, from every RED county and state in the union, worked so hard to re-elect a REPUBLICAN administration WITH a Republican MAJORITY!

/Sarcasm


71 posted on 04/22/2005 9:50:24 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: IleeneWright
Do you know that before I went to Pinellas in 2003 I actually doubted that there was such a place as hell?

I could not believe that there were actually people who were evil enough to have to be sent to Hell.

But I have looked real evil in the eye now. Some of those people were just thrilled to be helping kill Terri. They were taking great delight in our misery and the misery of Terri's family. They were feeding off death.

One man even screamed at the Schinlders every time they passed by him, and then he would turn around and smile at us with his empty evil eyes.

These times are clearly described in the bible. I'm just sorry that I had to see them be fulfilled during my lifetime.
72 posted on 04/22/2005 10:32:13 AM PDT by russesjunjee (Shake the fog from your eyes sheople! Our country is swirling down the sewer!)
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To: IleeneWright
Do you know that before I went to Pinellas in 2003 I actually doubted that there was such a place as hell?

I could not believe that there were actually people who were evil enough to have to be sent to Hell.

But I have looked real evil in the eye now. Some of those people were just thrilled to be helping kill Terri. They were taking great delight in our misery and the misery of Terri's family. They were feeding off death.

One man even screamed at the Schinlders every time they passed by him, and then he would turn around and smile at us with his empty evil eyes.

These times are clearly described in the bible. I'm just sorry that I had to see them be fulfilled during my lifetime.
73 posted on 04/22/2005 10:32:57 AM PDT by russesjunjee (Shake the fog from your eyes sheople! Our country is swirling down the sewer!)
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To: russesjunjee

I know! I've seen it with my own eyes, here in Illinois! I watched Cathleen Crier from Court TV, begin FOAMING AT THE MOUTH, as she clenched her teeth SCREAMING at Joe Scarb.(sp?) about how AWFUL Judge Greer is being DISRESPECTED! I've seen the unthinkable and unimaginable comments on other message boards!

You're so right too, about prophesy being fulfilled before our very eyes! 2Timothy 3........etc

I'm so sorry that you had to see and experience such EVIL! The Bible talks about God turning "them" over to a deprayved mind and their conscience being seared forever! (paraphrasing)


74 posted on 04/22/2005 11:14:44 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

It's not an "oath to the USA" it's an oath to uphold the basic law of America - the Constitution.

I don't care who a judge votes for or what church they go to .. I expect them to follow the rule of law in the Constitution - not their own personal policy preferences.


75 posted on 04/22/2005 11:47:09 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: dirtboy
The Feds can order a Special Prosecutor for this entire fiasco.

The Fla House Judiciary Committee impeaches Judges but they are all protecting Senator Jim King at the moment. If they went after Greer, Jim King would be caught in that net and that would take a mighty large net to hold him.

I did get my feds and my fla legislators mixed up and it was inadvertent.

Anyway, I'm demanding accountability from the feds and also from Florida govt.

Now Judge Whittemore is a Federal Court Judge he needs to be investigated too. His closet is full of skeletons.

russesjunjee did a nice post with some of the violations by Judge Greer on it.

76 posted on 04/22/2005 11:56:44 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.theempirejournal.com Demand the Impeachment of Judge Greer...No More!!!!)
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To: IleeneWright
I needed this experience in my life. Terri opened my eyes and brought me into reality. Now I can at least be semi-prepared for what is coming.
77 posted on 04/22/2005 12:28:32 PM PDT by russesjunjee (Shake the fog from your eyes sheople! Our country is swirling down the sewer!)
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To: Sun

"The Constitutional Option is a simple procedure designed to stop the obstruction of President Bush's judicial nominees and allow them to finally get up-or-down votes by the full Senate.
Stand with us as we Confront the Judicial War on Faith.
http://www.StopActivistJudges.org"

I get error messages when I try to get the actual Declaration at site above.


78 posted on 04/22/2005 1:16:31 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: russesjunjee; tutstar; Calpernia; Lesforlife; STARWISE; Halls; wildandcrazyrussian; pc93; ...
FREEPERS, THIS IS WHY WE ARE STILL HERE...Look what powerful people did to Terri, an American:

The Ithacan, an opinion piece.

By Kevin O’Neill ’05

Guest writer

April 07, 2005

“The right to die” and “dying with dignity” are catchphrases that were thrown around quite frequently regarding the removal of a feeding tube from Terri Schiavo, a woman who suffered brain damage 15 years ago. I sincerely doubt most of those people had any idea what they were saying.

How dignified do people consider starva-tion? When confronted with commercials ex-posing the terrible food shortage in many third world countries, “dying with dignity” is not a phrase that jumps to most people’s lips. Perhaps ignorance of what physically happens during starvation and dehydration shields some from considering the gravity of this case.

Medical doctor and ethicist David Stevens has described the process thus: the mouth dries out and the tongue becomes swollen and cracked. The lips become parched and cracked as a thick coating begins to cake the mouth and lips. The eyes sink back into the skull while the cheeks hollow and the lining of the nose begins to crack, potentially causing nosebleeds. The skin turns dry and scaly and hangs loose on the bones. Urine decreases, becoming highly concentrated, and eventually stops completely.

Then, the stomach lining dries out, causing vomiting and dry heaves. Brain cells dry out, too, causing convulsions. The respiratory tract dries out and thick secretions develop, a process that may plug the lungs and airways. Eventually, after the body suffers all these effects, all the major organs fail, including the lungs, heart and brain.

This is an extremely warped idea of “dignity.” It is illegal in the state of Florida, where Terri lived, to put a dog down this way, but for an innocent woman this death sentence will suffice. George Greer, the judge hearing this case has displayed shocking determination to see Terri die. On February 25, he stated that he would only hear motions relating to the “death process” and has denied, without hearing arguments or evidence, the Schindlers’ motion to divorce Terri from Michael and denied, without hearing arguments or evidence, the Schindlers’ motion to remove Michael as guardian.

He also heard, but did not rule on, arguments that Terri should be fed by mouth once the feeding tube was removed and many more very relevant points relating to this case.

Judge Greer skirted and ignored the law more times during this whole fiasco than are permissible to relate in polite company.

What happened in Florida last week was nothing short of murder, and to add further insult to injury, the judge denied the Schindlers’ request that Terri be allowed to receive Viaticum (Holy Communion for the dying) by mouth.

Yes, an American judge denied a citizen the opportunity to practice her religion (he also denied her “unalienable right to life,” but the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are not the rules judges play by these days).

The president has said it is always best to err on the side of life, but what happened to Terri Schiavo last week was no mistake. The unjust rulings of Judge Greer were cold, obsessively calculated, lethally relentless and sadly indicative of the attitudes society has adopted toward the weak.

FV SAYS: If you want to, please copy/paste & email the above to your US Senators and House Members and demand an investigation of ALL THE JUDGES in the SCHIAVO CASES and an investigation of the NINE SENATORS IN TALLAHASSEE who voted against Terri. Who lobbied them so they would vote against her?

79 posted on 04/22/2005 1:24:20 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.theempirejournal.com Demand the Impeachment of Judge Greer...No More!!!!)
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To: Jim 0216

The declaration is in pdf format. Do you have adobe Jim?


80 posted on 04/22/2005 4:54:30 PM PDT by IleeneWright
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