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How to Make the Dems Pay if Bolton Goes Down - Voinovich and the Golden Rule
WSJ BEST OF THE WEB ITODAY ^ | APRIL 20, 2005 | JAMES TARANTO

Posted on 04/20/2005 8:32:45 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Democrats trying to sink the nomination of John Bolton as United Nations ambassador scored a big victory yesterday, when Sen. George Voinovich, an Ohio Republican who sits on the Foreign Relations Committee, declared himself unready to back the nominee. The Dems' efforts to beat Bolton on ideological grounds--that he's too pro-American and has "disdain" for the U.N.--having failed, they turned to that old standby, the politics of personal destruction.

Voinovich's concern for the Golden Rule is certainly touching, but does it apply to air traffic controllers? What prompts the question is an incident that occurred in 1995, when he was governor of Ohio. The Cincinnati Enquirer's Cliff Radel described the incident in a June 1996 column:

Gov. Short Fuse blew on Oct. 20 when federal rules delayed his plane's takeoff as the president arrived in Columbus.

When this order is in effect, no planes other than essential aircraft are cleared for takeoff. That reduces the chances of a terrorist staging a kamikaze attack on Air Force One.

The order kept the governor and his plane on the ground. And he was honked.

Gov. Voinovich called it "bull"-something and ordered his pilot to break the rules and take off. He even dared the control tower to "shoot us down." That, too, would have cost. One hour of flying time for an F-15 Eagle fighter jet runs $3,399 to $4,037.

The Federal Aviation Administration "responded by slapping the governor with a standard $1,500 fine," and Voinovich decided to fight, at taxpayer expense. "We're paying his lawyers' $95-an-hour fee," noted Radel in June 1996. "Their bill could top out at $20,000."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bolton; chuckhagel; committee; confirmation; foreignrelations; georgevoinovich; hearings; jamestaranto; johnbolton; lincolnchafee; republican; senator; ussenate; voinovich
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1 posted on 04/20/2005 8:32:45 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE
Why, I am most concerned about these "allegations."

I hope we can take some more time to look into them.

2 posted on 04/20/2005 8:39:31 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: CHARLITE

Voinovich ain't a Dem. Much as I detest him, blaming him for this is just playing into the Dems hands. They block Bolton, and Voinovich gets the blame. They'll love it.


3 posted on 04/20/2005 8:41:33 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: CHARLITE

Sounds like he was being mean, and as Sen. Voinovich said, we can't have mean people dealing with others. Time for the Senator to resign immediately.


4 posted on 04/20/2005 8:42:18 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (*Gregoire is French for Stealing an Election*)
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To: CHARLITE
Speaking of the "Golden Rule" Ronald Maximus Reagan had a "Golden Rule" he called his 11th Commandment.... Thou Shalt not attack a fellow Republican"

We shouldn't attack Voinovich publicly, we should field a candidate in Ohio that will beat him when he is up for re-election

6 posted on 04/20/2005 8:45:20 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( LIBERALISM IS FOR INVERTEBRATES)
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To: CHARLITE; prairiebreeze; onyx; Texasforever; CyberAnt; BigSkyFreeper; Tamzee; mrs tiggywinkle; ...
Gov. Voinovich called it "bull"-something and ordered his pilot to break the rules and take off. He even dared the control tower to "shoot us down." That, too, would have cost. One hour of flying time for an F-15 Eagle fighter jet runs $3,399 to $4,037.

I remember that story

But I didn't realize it was Gov "Short Fuse" Voinovich

7 posted on 04/20/2005 8:53:45 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: Brilliant

blaming him for this is just playing into the Dems hands. They block Bolton, and Voinovich gets the blame.

After he opened his mouth he then gave the opening to
Chafee to say no, gonna think about this. Which means
if it doesn't get out of committee then it doesn't get
to the floor.
I have tons of Republican relatives in Ohio and they
will find another Republican to replace him.


8 posted on 04/20/2005 9:01:59 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Hey Chirac, Call Germany Next Time. They Know The Way To Paris)
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To: Brilliant
BINGO!

That's what they will try to do.... I predict by this time next week the RATS will point to Voinovich as the one who blocked Bolton's nomination out of the Committee and therefore, a full vote on the Senate floor.

We need to cool our jets and let the Democrats take as much rope as they need. The more this charade is played out in public, the more damage it does to the RATS. Any rational person who takes a close look at the accusations the RATS are floating will see just how small and petty they are.

So John Bolton doesn't appreciate being lied to, and he presses for the liar to be reassigned elsewhere. OH THE HUMANITY!!!

The hearings in the Foreign Relations Committee on Condi's Nomination and now John Bolton's, have been a perfect example of gutter politics on Steroids.

Joe Biden should be nominated for an Academy Award for his performance this past Friday when he read the script MoveOn.Org FedEx'd him on Friday Morning. After watching Biden's disingenuous recital during John Bolton's vertual Tribunal last Friday, I felt like leaping to my feet a singing "DONT CRY FOR ME ARGENTINA"

9 posted on 04/20/2005 9:02:16 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( LIBERALISM IS FOR INVERTEBRATES)
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To: Mo1
But I didn't realize it was Gov "Short Fuse" Voinovich

Gov "Short Fuse" RINOvich.

There, isn't that much better?

10 posted on 04/20/2005 9:03:22 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: Mo1

See Post #9


11 posted on 04/20/2005 9:04:31 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( LIBERALISM IS FOR INVERTEBRATES)
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To: CHARLITE

If Bush wanted to get even, just don't appoint a new UN ambassador and ignore it like it deserves to be ignored.


12 posted on 04/20/2005 9:06:10 PM PDT by Honestfreedom
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To: MJY1288
I predict by this time next week the RATS will point to Voinovich as the one who blocked Bolton's nomination out of the Committee and therefore, a full vote on the Senate floor.

Why wait, avoid the rush:

Senate Panel Delays Vote on Bolton to U.N.
Associated Press ^ | 4-19-2005 | ANNE GEARAN

Posted on 04/19/2005 6:51:01 PM EDT by kingattax

WASHINGTON (AP) - John Bolton's nomination as U.N. ambassador suffered an unexpected setback Tuesday when the Republican-controlled Senate Foreign Relations Committee scrapped plans for a vote in favor of a fresh look at allegations of unbecoming conduct.

13 posted on 04/20/2005 9:06:20 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: William Creel
You nailed it and cut off financing.
14 posted on 04/20/2005 9:09:04 PM PDT by Big Horn (We need more Tom DeLay's)
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To: Howlin
There, isn't that much better?

Yes .. Thank you :0)

15 posted on 04/20/2005 9:11:07 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: CHARLITE

Gov. Short Fuse Voinovich needs a good a*s whopping by W. What a STUPID girly man.


16 posted on 04/20/2005 9:12:13 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Howlin
LOL, That's a good one.

I sometimes wonder if Chafee, Voinovich and Hagel aren't on the RATS Payroll for times when they need them the most. That Sellout Jim Jeffords was easy pickings for the RATS, Dashcle offered Jeffords the Chairmanship of the Education Committee and he took the bait Hook, Line and Sinker. Only to find himself all alone with no seniority on any of the Committees with no help from the RAT leaders who convinced him to betray his Party.

My Question is......... How many back room deals did it take to get Voinovich to betray his Party and the Presidents Nominee???

17 posted on 04/20/2005 9:14:43 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( LIBERALISM IS FOR INVERTEBRATES)
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To: MJY1288
Reagan had a "Golden Rule" he called his 11th Commandment.... Thou Shalt not attack a fellow Republican" We shouldn't attack Voinovich publicly

You mean like he did to fellow Republican Bolton (and indirectly--BUSH)?

18 posted on 04/20/2005 9:16:10 PM PDT by montag813
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To: CHARLITE
PRESIDENT BUSH-

PLEASE DO NOT GIVE UP ON JOHN BOLTON. INSIST ON HIS CONFIRMATION, AND RECESS APPOINT HIM YOURSELF IF THESE RINO SCUMBAGS CONTINUE TO BEND OVER FOR BARBARA BOXER!

19 posted on 04/20/2005 9:18:38 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813; MJY1288; SMARTY; wardaddy; jan in Colorado
Here's a message for Senator Voinovitch.


20 posted on 04/20/2005 9:22:51 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I lost my car keys............so now I have to walk everywhere.......)
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To: montag813; MJY1288
You mean like he did to fellow Republican Bolton (and indirectly--BUSH)?

Now I am with you on this one. IMO, *all* of the GOP 'leadership' have at one time or another trashed Bush in one way or another.

And I am keeping a list; Hagel and Lugar are already on the list, under the heading of "Will Not Vote for Under Any Circumstance."

As I have said many times before, never let it be said that the GOP ever fails to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

21 posted on 04/20/2005 9:25:53 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: CHARLITE

I think we need to look into every member of that committee who is blocking this and see what we can come up with. As a matter of fact, just about every dem has had "incidents" where they have yelled at subordinates. Let's make these a little public.


23 posted on 04/20/2005 9:28:29 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: CHARLITE; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1387642/posts


Check out this link - evidently the lady from MOB was lying through her teeth - and her boss has come forward and told an entirely different story about her and about Bolton.

Now .. it's getting interesting.


24 posted on 04/20/2005 9:28:39 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CHARLITE

I'm feeling in a contrarian mood tonight.

IF the charges leveled against Bolton were true (I mean all of the ones listed by the democrats in the hearing), would it be wrong to consider them before confirming the nominee?

We presume the charges are all false, since they are put forth by democrats. That is generally a good bet. And of course we "know" that this is a ploy to delay the nomination so they can dig up more dirt. And we know that they will try to make stuff up.

But if we can investigate the charges, and show them to be unmerited, and them confirm the nominee with the democrats voting against anyway, isn't that better than rushing him out of the committee and then finding, to our shock, that the charges WERE true and republicans look like we rushed a nominee without regard to the merits?

That would be disastrous to our fight for judicial nominees, because every time a republican said "there is nothing to the charges" the democrats would point out how we rushed them to vote on Bolton and see how that turned out.

If we investigate and clear Bolton of these (supposedly baseless) charges, I think Voinovich will vote for him, and his support will have more merit with the american people because they have been told how "principled" he was to give it a look, and if by George he looked at it and was satisfied that there was nothing there, well that pretty much shows the democrats are just playing politics. Then when the judicial nominees come up and the dems call them extremists the republicans can point to this as why they just don't trust the dems to be honest.

So far, as evidence comes forward it is looking good for Bolton. If there are rational explanations for why Biden's rant is largely false, it should not only get Bolton out of committee, it should make it hard for the democrats to filibuster.

I can guarantee you if the republicans had voted him out thursday, the MSM would have given the dems enough cover to filibuster on the floor, saying that the committee didn't do its job.

If we believe Bolton in this matter, we should be able to stand a couple of weeks proving that the next set of charges are baseless.

Now that I've said all that, I will admit that I wanted him voted out of committee, and I think Voinovich should have told Lugar ahead of time there was a chance for this so Lugar could have played a hand that looked more like the republicans grudgingly giving the recalcitrant democrats one more week to finish their work, instead of it looking like the republicans were happy to run roughshod over the dems until one "principled" republican put a stop to it (proving the democrats had a point asking for the delay)

I am a strong Bolton Supporter, although I will say that if every charge Biden leveled were found to be true I wouldn't write nasty letters if the senate didn't confirm him.

The MSM plays this as a blow to Bush, but if they were honest they would point out that, prior to the hearings, there was NOBODY anywhere who had any idea of this "anger problem" that the democrats are now using, or in fact of the other charges. After all, the democrats say they just learned it (I don't believe them). How could the president be held responsible for things he had no way of knowing?


25 posted on 04/20/2005 9:31:05 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT (http://spaces.msn.com/members/criticallythinking)
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To: JRDicktator
Can you try posting your photos again?

Thanks

Char :)

26 posted on 04/20/2005 9:31:19 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I lost my car keys............so now I have to walk everywhere.......)
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To: Howlin

I hope that what Dubya does is just not send up another nominee for the UN. Just let it go without an ambassador.


27 posted on 04/20/2005 9:31:49 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: montag813; Mo1
I didn't take Voinovich's remarks during Friday's meeting of the Members of the Foreign Relations Committee as an attack on Bolton.

As much as I would have liked to see Lugar force a vote, I'm glad he didn't. I truly believe all the allegations against Bolton are completely bogus and if Sen. Norm Coleman and Sen. George Allen have their way, they will expose these false allegations and the people behind them for the frauds they are.

I mean WTF, The woman behind the claim that Bolton chased her through the halls of some Hotel in a former Soviet Satellite Country is the Founder and current Chair of "Mothers Opposing Bush" or "MOB". This woman is not credible and she will be exposed if she is brought before the Committee to testify on these allegations, she will take the 5th and Joe (Jack-in-the-Box) Biden will have the door of his dark cubicle shut until the next time he surfaces as we hear "POP GOES THE WEISEL" :-)

28 posted on 04/20/2005 9:32:09 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( LIBERALISM IS FOR INVERTEBRATES)
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To: cicero's_son

Are you serious???? The allegations have already been debunked as flat out lies. Read National Review On-line and the letters from the employer of the accuser. The woman is a dangerous nut case.


29 posted on 04/20/2005 9:33:22 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Howlin

See Post #28


30 posted on 04/20/2005 9:34:13 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( LIBERALISM IS FOR INVERTEBRATES)
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To: MJY1288

Force a vote? He called the White House this very morning and asked them to WITHDRAW Bolton!


31 posted on 04/20/2005 9:36:16 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: CHARLITE

I don't get it -- how will withdrawing the Bolton nomination and replacing him with Giuliani make the Democrats pay??

Hillary gets a free ride plus time and money to help other Dems....

Maybe Rudy makes life unpleasant for Kofi et al., but I wouldn't count on it...




32 posted on 04/20/2005 9:37:51 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"How could the president be held responsible for things he had no way of knowing?"

The answer is in the article posted by Cyber Ant on Post #24. It was also reported on Fox earlier this evening. This woman "whistle blower's" boss has come forward refuting her entire story. So, there weren't any skeletons in Bolton's closet about which President Bush needed to be informed.

At first, it looked a bit like the Linda Chavez kerfluffle, when she was nominated for Sec. of Labor only to have the disclosure leaked, that she had once sheltered an illegal. But this flaming of Bolton must be mostly a concocted story, according to the article cited by Cyber Ant.

33 posted on 04/20/2005 9:37:52 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I lost my car keys............so now I have to walk everywhere.......)
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To: Eva
Are you serious????

No, I'm not. I left out the sarcasm tags.

34 posted on 04/20/2005 9:38:43 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Howlin

Did he really?, Post the link to this story


35 posted on 04/20/2005 9:46:27 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( LIBERALISM IS FOR INVERTEBRATES)
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To: MJY1288

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1387919/posts


36 posted on 04/20/2005 9:47:58 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: Howlin

And the aftermath, says a Foreign Relations Committee staffer, is that committee chairman Richard Lugar on Wednesday morning broached the subject of pulling back the nomination with White House officials and the State Department.


37 posted on 04/20/2005 9:48:52 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: Brilliant

Maybe I didn't pay enough attention. If Voinovich hung in there yesterday, wouldn't they have voted it to the floor?


38 posted on 04/20/2005 9:49:06 PM PDT by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: cicero's_son

Oh well, you provided an opportunity for me to post about the story being debunked. You have to post those sarcasm tags around here because there are so many DU disruptors lately that you never know when a poster is serious.


39 posted on 04/20/2005 9:49:26 PM PDT by Eva
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To: doug from upland

Yes. And if Lugar had held the vote at 3:30 when he first called it, the vote would have been 9 to 8 and, unless I am mistaken THAT would have put it on the floor, too.


40 posted on 04/20/2005 9:49:58 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: CHARLITE

Subject:
Please Reject Bolton Nomination

To:
Sen. Richard Lugar

April 17, 2005

Horrifying, Personal John Bolton Story
By Melody Townsel
Dailykos.com

Friday 15 April 2005

Melody Townsel was stationed in Kyrgyzstan on a US AID project. During her stay there, she became embroiled in a controversy in which John Bolton was a key player. She described the incident in a letter to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee members who are reviewing the Bolton nomination.
Here's the entire text of her letter:

Dear Sir:

I'm writing to urge you to consider blocking in committee the nomination of John Bolton as ambassador to the UN.

In the late summer of 1994, I worked as the subcontracted leader of a US AID project in Kyrgyzstan officially awarded to a HUB primary contractor. My own employer was Black, Manafort, Stone & Kelly, and I reported directly to Republican leader Charlie Black.

After months of incompetence, poor contract performance, inadequate in-country funding, and a general lack of interest or support in our work from the prime contractor, I was forced to make US AID officials aware of the prime contractor's poor performance.

I flew from Kyrgyzstan to Moscow to meet with other Black Manafort employees who were leading or subcontracted to other US AID projects. While there, I met with US AID officials and expressed my concerns about the project - chief among them, the prime contractor's inability to keep enough cash in country to allow us to pay bills, which directly resulted in armed threats by Kyrgyz contractors to me and my staff.

Within hours of sending a letter to US AID officials outlining my concerns, I met John Bolton, whom the prime contractor hired as legal counsel to represent them to US AID. And, so, within hours of dispatching that letter, my hell began.

Mr. Bolton proceeded to chase me through the halls of a Russian hotel - throwing things at me, shoving threatening letters under my door and, generally, behaving like a madman. For nearly two weeks, while I awaited fresh direction from my company and from US AID, John Bolton hounded me in such an appalling way that I eventually retreated to my hotel room and stayed there. Mr. Bolton, of course, then routinely visited me there to pound on the door and shout threats.

When US AID asked me to return to Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan in advance of assuming leadership of a project in Kazakstan, I returned to my project to find that John Bolton had proceeded me by two days. Why? To meet with every other AID team leader as well as US foreign-service officials in Bishkek, claiming that I was under investigation for misuse of funds and likely was facing jail time. As US AID can confirm, nothing was further from the truth.

He indicated to key employees of or contractors to State that, based on his discussions with investigatory officials, I was headed for federal prison and, if they refused to cooperate with either him or the prime contractor's replacement team leader, they, too, would find themselves the subjects of federal investigation. As a further aside, he made unconscionable comments about my weight, my wardrobe and, with a couple of team leaders, my sexuality, hinting that I was a lesbian (for the record, I'm not).

When I resurfaced in Kyrgyzstan, I learned that he had done such a convincing job of smearing me that it took me weeks - with the direct intervention of US AID officials - to limit the damage. In fact, it was only US AID's appoinment of me as a project leader in Almaty, Kazakstan that largely put paid to the rumors Mr. Bolton maliciously circulated.

As a maligned whistleblower, I've learned firsthand the lengths Mr. Bolton will go to accomplish any goal he sets for himself. Truth flew out the window. Decency flew out the window. In his bid to smear me and promote the interests of his client, he went straight for the low road and stayed there.

John Bolton put me through hell - and he did everything he could to intimidate, malign and threaten not just me, but anybody unwilling to go along with his version of events. His behavior back in 1994 wasn't just unforgivable, it was pathological.

I cannot believe that this is a man being seriously considered for any diplomatic position, let alone such a critical posting to the UN. Others you may call before your committee will be able to speak better to his stated dislike for and objection to stated UN goals. I write you to speak about the very character of the man.

It took me years to get over Mr. Bolton's actions in that Moscow hotel in 1994, his intensely personal attacks and his shocking attempts to malign my character.

I urge you from the bottom of my heart to use your ability to block Mr. Bolton's nomination in committee.

Respectfully yours,
Melody Townsel

Walnut Creek , CA



41 posted on 04/20/2005 9:50:26 PM PDT by woofie (I am so not kidding.)
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To: Howlin

What in the hell is our side doing?


42 posted on 04/20/2005 9:51:04 PM PDT by doug from upland (MOCKING DEMOCRATS 24/7 --- www.rightwingparodies.com)
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To: Howlin
I didn't see where Lugar asked for Bolton's nomination to be pulled, did I miss something?
43 posted on 04/20/2005 9:51:16 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( LIBERALISM IS FOR INVERTEBRATES)
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To: MJY1288

Good luck, he just got reelected in November. He's not up again until Nov, 2010. He's going to be a bigger pain than Specter


44 posted on 04/20/2005 9:51:40 PM PDT by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: Howlin

That is very true, he had the votes at 3:30


45 posted on 04/20/2005 9:52:39 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( LIBERALISM IS FOR INVERTEBRATES)
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To: CHARLITE
Yep, time to recall a couple of examples of Voinovich's lack of "people skills" and stuff it down his craw. I'm pretty uncomfortable with him being a US Senator from Ohio.

And why is it that he's skipping work so much?

46 posted on 04/20/2005 9:52:59 PM PDT by cookcounty ("We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts" ---Abe Lincoln, 1858.)
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To: woofie



Ok here is a little disreprency



From USA Today:

Respectfully yours,
Melody Townsel

Walnut Creek , CA

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

From Anti Bush Blog:

It took me years to get over Mr. Bolton's actions in that Moscow hotel in 1994, his intensely personal attacks and his shocking attempts to malign my character.

I urge you from the bottom of my heart to use your ability to block Mr. Bolton's nomination in committee.

Respectfully yours,

Melody Townsel
Dallas, TX 75208


47 posted on 04/20/2005 9:54:31 PM PDT by woofie (I am so not kidding.)
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To: MJY1288

I've never seen anything like what happened in that committee hearing. Never.


48 posted on 04/20/2005 9:55:03 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Not if we win a few more seats in '06, Voinovich will either tow the line or be sidelined. Right now we have 4 or 5 RINO Senators who know they have some influence, with 2 or more seats in the next Congress will render them toothless


49 posted on 04/20/2005 9:55:41 PM PDT by MJY1288 ( LIBERALISM IS FOR INVERTEBRATES)
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To: woofie; Mo1
and his shocking attempts to malign my character.

What's that about?

50 posted on 04/20/2005 9:55:49 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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