Posted on 04/20/2005 11:25:41 PM PDT by FairOpinion
There is a big difference between allowing someone to die, and killing someone.
Terri was NOT terminal.
I'm sure about Greer but obviously her husband wanted her dead. Not knowing the man persoanlly I will take him at his word that this is what Terri wanted.
I know that many here believe he did it for the money or that she was in her condition because of something he did. But from all that I have read there is no proof to either one of those accusations.
Maybe Australia's government still works, and the Royal Commission would actually step up and do a real investigation.
Ours should be headed by U.S. Attorney General Gonzales. There have been so many allegations of politcal collusion and an ingrained system in Florida where justice was impossible for Terri to receive. That would give the Federal Government the right to review the case since Florida can't police itself. Gov Bush could ask Florida's Atty General to investigate, but he is part of the web in this case.
Congress has suggested convening a Congressional Committee, but who knows. They are already getting spooked by the Dems pointing fingers and saying the whole thing was a political angle to get the GOP more votes. (Anyway, our Congressional Committees usually end up finding out LESS than what is printed in the MSM and FAR LESS than one can find on blogs.)
We have a few good private justice centers that pursue investigations like this. We have to turn to a private organization to solve our government's inability to function.
Sad, isn't it?
I don't know why they wanted her dead. But that they deliberately desired to starve and dehydrate her to death is the plain truth of the matter.
I don't think anyone denies this truth.
I just came across this Jan 2004 article.
Apparently murder of helpless people has been going on for some time, without public awareness.
A Duty to Die?
http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=5891
EXCERPT -- but read the whole thing. It's enlightening and fightening.
It has led many hospitals to adopt what’s known as “futile care” or “futility” policies — those that determine the circumstances under which patients may be denied costly life-saving or -sustaining treatments.
When someone is deemed to fall into the “futile” category, family members often find hospitals pressuring them for permission to end the patient’s life — and sometimes taking them to court if they refuse. In other cases, said Nancy Valko, president of Missouri Nurses for Life and one of the trend’s most vocal critics, nurses are being ordered to remove feeding tubes or withhold antibiotics because “the patient is going to die anyway, so it might as well be now.”
A poll of 26 California hospitals taken by Cambridge Quarterly of Healthcare Ethics in 2000 showed that all but two already had adopted futility policies; of those, 19 gave the final decision-making power over a person’s life or death to someone other than the patient or a family member.
In November 2002, the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania announced that intensive care will no longer be given to patients in persistent vegetative or minimally conscious states; only patients who explicitly request intensive care before receiving a catastrophic brain injury will receive it.
In January 2003, the Cedar Falls Courier chronicled how hospitals in Des Moines, Iowa, had put rules in place to allow “medical staff to withdraw treatment over a family’s objection.”
“This makes people with disabilities very nervous. I haven’t been able to get all the physical therapy that would have been beneficial to me because it won’t cure me. And if it doesn’t cure you, insurance companies often say you can’t have it.
“In futile care, they’re taking that a step further, but the message is very familiar to people with disabilities. It’s not news to us that health professionals judge our quality of life to be far less than how we judge it ourselves. The view that our lives are futile is frightening, no matter who holds it.”
To help understand the magnitude of the abortion slaughter, I converted the 1.5 million/year into equivalent TWA800 tragedies....There would have to be a TWA800 tragedy every 90 minutes around the clock every day of the year!
Exactly! If just ONE MAJOR NEWS outlet would treat that the same way that several treated the killed soldiers in Iraq, the country would be HORRIFIED. (Remember, Nightline and one of the Sunday talk shows read each name slowly at the end of their programs, showed pictures, etc. It made the number of dead seem enormous, although one day of your TWA-type abortion breaking news stories would dwarf that.)
It happens all the time. Nothing uncommon here.
Is it right? That's the question.
I would think most here would say that it is not right. Same as abortion. How we go about changing our culture?
Former President Nixon would have never had needed to resign if Peter Rodino had had the same lack of backbone exhibited by our Congress when Judge Greer, with full contempt of Congress, simply ignored their subpoenas and acted to obstruct their legitimate investigative function.
I don't know how legitimate it was seeing they did nothing about his obstruction.
She could have had her refusal tatooed across her forehead, and it still would not have made a difference.
Look what happened to Mae Magouirk. She COULD communicate. Her living will said do NOT take away a feeding tube. But she was old so her life didn't matter anymore, until her brother and sister got involved, and online news sources and bloggers started making noise.
It's the tragedy of someone's LIFE, as well as the injustice and the feeling of helplessness.
Doctors are routinely ending the lives of babies now in the Netherlands, rather than waiting to see if they can pull through. (Because, of course, the doctors are true psychic geniuses and truly know what will happen in the future. That is why all doctors in Terri's case ALL AGREED on every diagnosis.) [/sarcasm off]
What would have happened 10 years ago if doctors had decided that AIDS patients would die anyway, so you might as well not waste medicine, pain killers and hospital beds on them? Would everyone have agreed that that was fine?
If you can remove life support or a feeding tube, what about one moment before that? or one minute before that minute? So, you don't give them the initial life support hook-up if you decide that they will be too disabled? or if they will take too long to recover? or if it will cost too much?
I fear the truth is, that we have changed as a nation, and are so selfish and self centered, we won't respond to our neighbors in trouble. It's too easy to just let it happen, and too hard to change anything. I still only have 1 vote, and my whole family, friends, and church, votes the same as me, and it won't seem to change. We have 90% of America as red states, red counties, red cities, but still no changes. I'm reminded how bad it would be if we turned blue, but I want to take ground, not just hold what we have. Something has to change for the better or what they say is true, "There isn't a dimes worth of difference".
The ability of Michael Schiavo to proceed through this with no scrutiny was appalling! Why was there never any investigation into her innjuries, especially when the reports indicated 'healing bone' injuries? 26 yr. old women don't have healing bone injuries from a fall to the floor, even if she did have a mild heart attack, which was ruled out, if you recall. It seesm that the husband really wanted the diagnosis of heart attack to prevent further examination...and when it was ruled out, why did no one proceed to examine further? This is an outrage!
Get over it. You'll die one day too, hopefully more quickly than Terri.
You have hit on an important issue. If life is not considered a supreme value and the ultimate reference point of the medical profession, we have essentially undermined the entire reason for being of medicine. Why bother to cure or seek cures for any serious disease or injury? Death is cheaper, speedier, and more certain; the patient may not always live when medical efforts are made to help him, but he will certainly die when the medical profession decides that this is the preferred course of "treatment." And think of all the money that has been saved.
I heard many medical professionals call into the talk shows during the Terri Schiavo ordeal who were for her being dehydrated to death.
Ouch. That's about the level of understanding a good percentage of the American public has for this issue.
I know. It's very frightening, because the Schiavo case let many of them feel free to reveal their true thoughts (and possibly even practices).
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