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Pope Benedict XVI Elected in Landslide: Report
Australian Broadcasting Corporation ^ | April 21, 2005 | Staff

Posted on 04/21/2005 7:55:14 AM PDT by Loyalist

Pope Benedict XVI was elected by an overwhelming majority of his fellow cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church, possibly rallying an impressive 100 out of 115 votes, Italy's La Repubblica has reported.

The exact number of votes in favour of Joseph Ratzinger will likely never be known, as records of the four ballots of this week's conclave have been sealed and can only be opened upon order of the pontiff himself.

But citing Vatican sources, La Repubblica said the German-born Pope won the support of far more cardinals than the strict two-thirds majority needed to be elected.

Pope Benedict was a favourite from the very first round of voting, the daily's respected Vatican expert Marco Politi reported, adding that the number of his supporters increased at each round.

"It was easy to elect him," the newspaper quoted Mexican Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan as saying.

In the fourth round Tuesday afternoon, Pope Benedict XVI may have garnered up 100 votes, one vote more than those garnered by his predecessor John Paul II in 1978, La Repubblica said.

In the first ballot, he got some 40 votes with the same number of ballots going to Italy's Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, it said.

But by Tuesday morning, many of the undecided had begun to converge on the former head of the key Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, the Vatican's top doctrinal authority.

Tuesday's lunch break was key, with liberal cardinals supporting Cardinal Martini deciding to back Pope Benedict XVI, although at least 10 cardinals refused to change camps, the daily said.

The high prelates broke into an applause as the scrutineers announced the result of the vote, but tension remained high until the new Pope accepted his elevation as pontiff. Then there was further applause.

Later that evening, the cardinals celebrated with a champagne toast at a dinner with Pope Benedict XVI, according to German cardinals.

-AFP


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; conclave; papacy; pope; ratzinger
The exact number of votes in favour of Joseph Ratzinger will likely never be known, as records of the four ballots of this week's conclave have been sealed and can only be opened upon order of the pontiff himself.

HOW CONVEEEEEENIENT! Quick, get the courts in King County to unseal the records!

Seriously folks, any guesses about which Cardinals were the holdouts?

1 posted on 04/21/2005 7:55:15 AM PDT by Loyalist
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To: Loyalist

Dan Rather is still holding out declaring Ratzinger the winner.


2 posted on 04/21/2005 7:56:16 AM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: Loyalist

So much for believing that he will cause division in the Catholic church.

I wonder if the American Cardinals were more in the dissent than the average nation?


3 posted on 04/21/2005 8:01:18 AM PDT by Preachin' (Keep the Kerry/Edwards tags on your cars so we can identify the root of your disease.)
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To: Loyalist

It is my understand that this is fairly typical in Papal elections. When it becomes obvious who will eventually garner the votes, most of the Cardinals will switch to the favorite. Nobody wants to be on the wrong side of the new Pope.


4 posted on 04/21/2005 8:01:26 AM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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To: dfwgator

I've heard that Al Gore is planning on fighting the election results and demanding a recount, as he feels he won the pope-ular vote....


5 posted on 04/21/2005 8:01:53 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (This tagline is Bush's fault.)
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To: Loyalist

I don't think we're supposed to know. I can accept that there are things we should not know. That won't stop speculation however.


6 posted on 04/21/2005 8:02:26 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (CARPE TUNNEL - seize the mouse)
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To: Loyalist

Uh huh...


7 posted on 04/21/2005 8:02:32 AM PDT by SMARTY
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To: Tennessee_Bob

I heard a few of the Cardinals accidently voted for Pat Buchanan. Well at least he is a Catholic.


8 posted on 04/21/2005 8:02:48 AM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: Loyalist
with liberal cardinals supporting Cardinal Martini deciding to back Pope Benedict XVI

This seems to have spoiled St. Malachy's prophecies, as Martini, the "glory of the olive", lost.

9 posted on 04/21/2005 8:03:43 AM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Loyalist

*cough* ...Mahoney... *cough*


10 posted on 04/21/2005 8:05:34 AM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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To: Loyalist
Mahony no doubt did not vote for Ratzinger.
11 posted on 04/21/2005 8:05:41 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: Loyalist

The DUers think Bush and Karl Rove were behind all this.


12 posted on 04/21/2005 8:16:46 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Loyalist
I can pretty much guarantee that Roger Cardinal Mahony was a holdout, as well as Gottfried Cardinal Danneels and there may well have been another American.

I cannot wait for the Pope to gracefully accept Mahony's mandatory resignation in a few years.

13 posted on 04/21/2005 8:16:54 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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14 posted on 04/21/2005 8:17:40 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: Loyalist
Seriously folks, any guesses about which Cardinals were the holdouts?

I'll guess Danneels, Kaspar, Mahony.

15 posted on 04/21/2005 8:19:09 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (habemus papum, Benedict XVI)
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To: wideawake
I can pretty much guarantee that Roger Cardinal Mahony was a holdout,

I wouldn't be so sure ... RCM is a politician, and a weasel. He might have voted for B16 just to try to get on his good side. I seem to recall that Fr. Mahoney, before he was consecrated a Bishop, talked and wrote like a real conservative.

16 posted on 04/21/2005 8:19:44 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: dfwgator

LOL, that would figure.


17 posted on 04/21/2005 8:19:54 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: dfwgator
I heard a few of the Cardinals accidently voted for Pat Buchanan. Well at least he is a Catholic.

As a baptised Catholic male who attained the age of reason, Pat was elligable.

18 posted on 04/21/2005 8:20:29 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (habemus papum, Benedict XVI)
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To: dfwgator
I heard a few of the Cardinals accidently voted for Pat Buchanan

No. Birds aren't that stupid. Only democrats.

19 posted on 04/21/2005 8:21:53 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ArrogantBustard

Dear ArrogantBustard,

You're correct that he seemed conservative enough before arriving in Los Angeles. I wonder, though, whether he was hiding his true colors, or whether he really actually changed over time.

He was appointed an auxiliary bishop when he wasn't quite 40. That's pretty young. I always wonder whether it went to his head.

I don't know.


sitetest


20 posted on 04/21/2005 8:28:44 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: wideawake

Do you know how many years until Mahony is to retire?

I hope it's within Pope Benedict XVI's time, then he can appoint a more orthodox bishop for the Los Angeles area. God knows they need one there.

I escaped the LA area with my family 10 years ago, and my faith has grown by leaps and bounds going to an orthodox, conservative parish (well, studying apologetics contributed a lot to that too). I'm so happy we got Bishop Olmstead here in Phoenix a year ago, and now Pope Benedict! I'm ecstatic!


21 posted on 04/21/2005 8:29:28 AM PDT by mom3boys (Vival il Papa! Pope Benedict XVI!)
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To: Loyalist
Seriously folks, any guesses about which Cardinals were the holdouts?

One would be Cardinal Ratzinger himself. Cardinals are forbidden to vote for themself.

22 posted on 04/21/2005 8:30:39 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ArrogantBustard
I wouldn't be so sure ... RCM is a politician, and a weasel. He might have voted for B16 just to try to get on his good side.

Good point.

I seem to recall that Fr. Mahoney, before he was consecrated a Bishop, talked and wrote like a real conservative.

He sure did - he even permitted an indult Mass in his old diocese. He is a very frustrating individual.

23 posted on 04/21/2005 8:30:55 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake; sitetest

You both make good points.

That he allowed an indult Mass, before going to LA suggests that perhaps living in LaLaLand had a bad effect on him.


24 posted on 04/21/2005 8:33:04 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: wideawake; ArrogantBustard
RCM is a politician, and a weasel

I think RCM is kind of a Vicar of Bray. With a new "King," he may suddenly experience a convenient conversion.

25 posted on 04/21/2005 8:36:25 AM PDT by livius
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
The DUers think Bush and Karl Rove were behind all this.

So does Andy Sullivin.

26 posted on 04/21/2005 8:38:11 AM PDT by conservonator (Blank by popular demand)
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To: Loyalist
These guys:


27 posted on 04/21/2005 8:38:24 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: mom3boys
Do you know how many years until Mahony is to retire?

He is required by Church law to submit his resignation to the Holy See by February 27, 2011.

I'm so happy we got Bishop Olmstead here in Phoenix a year ago, and now Pope Benedict! I'm ecstatic!

I'm very happy about our new Holy Father as well.

May he live long and rule strong!

28 posted on 04/21/2005 8:38:33 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: SedVictaCatoni

Good, it's reassuring to know that we're not down to the last two popes.

Phew, was starting to get a little nervous.


29 posted on 04/21/2005 8:39:44 AM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Loyalist

Um, doesn't everyone involved have to take an oath of secrecy regarding the conclave? Is that oath not taken as seriously as the conclave itself?


30 posted on 04/21/2005 8:50:24 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: dfwgator
Dan Rather is still holding out declaring Ratzinger the winner.

Heard he also has a memo that Ratzinger skipped Sunday Mass to play golf in 1952.

31 posted on 04/21/2005 8:55:03 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Loyalist

How did this info get out?


32 posted on 04/21/2005 9:02:37 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: CollegeRepublican

I saw that on the History Channel last night, when it becomes apparent who the next Pope is the cardinals jump on the bandwagon so as not to anger the new Pope.


33 posted on 04/21/2005 9:05:28 AM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Uh-oh. Better light a candle and offer up a prayer to St. Chad.

TS

34 posted on 04/21/2005 9:09:40 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I teach Environmental Science in high school. Scary, isn't it?)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I seem to recall that Fr. Mahoney, before he was consecrated a Bishop, talked and wrote like a real conservative.

I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me. Seems to be too much of that going around!

35 posted on 04/21/2005 9:09:48 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Loyalist
rallying an impressive 100 out of 115 votes, Italy's La Repubblica has reported.

German-born Pope won the support of far more cardinals than the strict two-thirds majority needed to be elected.

Sweet.

36 posted on 04/21/2005 9:33:55 AM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel
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To: Loyalist

Daneels
Kasper
Sodano
Lehmann
Martini
Archbishop of Lisbon
Mahoney
O'Brien
Napier
Tettamanzi
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37 posted on 04/21/2005 11:36:11 AM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: ArrogantBustard
He might have voted for B16 just to try to get on his good side.

It's not a secret ballot? I don't know if it is or not, but considering they use paper ballots, I always assumed it was secret.

38 posted on 04/21/2005 11:40:32 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: BlackRazor

I believe it is a secret ballot. This speculation about wanting to be on Ratzinger's good side is therefore beside the point.

Probably the reason for the leaks is a desire to strengthen the new pope.

The picture of the unhappy cardinals is very telling. I have to think that a substantial number of the College didn't want Ratzinger, whatever the ultimate vote was.
It's not clear to me how much fear there is of the new pope. The picture is one example of dissent. Another is the fact that Cardinal Daneels, rather than eat with the pope, called a press conference.


39 posted on 04/21/2005 1:42:38 PM PDT by California Patriot
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To: ArrogantBustard; wideawake; livius; sitetest
They are supposed to disguise their handwriting as much as possible when casting their votes. So, how would anyone know for whom Mahoney or his birds-of-a-feather voted?

I'm sure Benedict has his number, anyway.

40 posted on 04/21/2005 7:29:36 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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