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Another GOP senator hesitates on Bolton (Sen. Murkowski)
MSNBC ^ | 4/22/05

Posted on 04/22/2005 3:44:52 PM PDT by Crackingham

President Bush's nomination of John Bolton as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was put in further peril Friday when a fourth Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee expressed concern about him and a former Bush ambassador called his behavior "undiplomatic."

A spokeswoman for Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska said the senator felt the committee “did the right thing delaying the vote on Bolton in light of the recent information presented to the committee.”

Asked if Bolton had Murkowski’s support, spokeswoman Kristin Pugh said, “I can’t speculate on how she would vote.”

She said Murkowski was traveling and could not be reached.

Before the recent allegations that Bolton threatened and bullied subordinates and sought to influence U.S. intelligence assessments improperly, Pugh said Murkowski had met with Bolton and expressed support. But since then, she said, Murkowski decided the accusations merit further examination.

Pugh said Murkowski has discussed the nomination with Sen. George Voinovich, the Ohio Republican who stunned lawmakers when he said he was not prepared to support Bolton as Republicans were set to muscle the nomination through the committee on a party-line vote. Republican Sens. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska also said they wanted more information on the accusations before they made up their minds.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bolton; ussenate
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1 posted on 04/22/2005 3:44:52 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

They're not called "The Stupid Party" for nothing.


2 posted on 04/22/2005 3:45:31 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank fan

I think Bush needs to do some whip cracking here and let them know that he is in charge of the Party.


3 posted on 04/22/2005 3:48:11 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal. 4:16)
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To: Crackingham

Well if he doesn't the Washington Post won't write an nice editorial about him. What's he supposed to do? /sarcasm


4 posted on 04/22/2005 3:48:18 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: fortheDeclaration

Just yank them off any comittee they are on.

Tell them *mabye* they'll get it back with repeated good behavior.


5 posted on 04/22/2005 3:49:32 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (.)
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To: Crackingham

Pubbies are revolting.





6 posted on 04/22/2005 3:49:48 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Crackingham
So, let's see what this situation is all about. Bolton was somebody's boss. Secretary Powell was Bolton's boss. Bolton had some difficult staffers who needed to be disciplined or transferred elsewhere. Powell became aware of the situation.

This sort of thing happens frequently throughout the federal bureaucracy. The big boss has two obvious things he can do ~ the first is to let it happen, and the staffers go elsewhere. The second is to discipline the boss.

Well, that's what it would seem like, but in the federal government, even in State Department, the boss has a third option ~ forget about it!

And that's apparantly what Powell did up until the New York Times and a couple of their bought and paid-for Senators bothered him.

Now the Internet and the Blogsphere click in and Powell is rapidly finding out that he'd never before been on such a public stage.

Isn't this the same situation Powell got into over Mei Lei? ~ he just kinda' tried to forget about it.

You'd think he'd know better by now.

7 posted on 04/22/2005 3:50:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Crackingham

Stevens is getting up there in years. He looks fine, though, and is sharp as a tack. But, when he retires, Alaska is going to be in big trouble without the pork. Murkowski, who knows, she is still creating her senateness.


8 posted on 04/22/2005 3:50:10 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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To: fortheDeclaration

The GOP won't have a true majority in the senate until they have over 50 non-RINO's.


9 posted on 04/22/2005 3:50:19 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Crackingham
This is really a secret plan whereby the Republicans are systematically aggregating Senate members to the new standard of conduct. ..No impolitic discourse...No caustic denunciations...No vitriolic disagreements.

This secret plan is to then hold democrats to the new requirements they have set forth. Yeah, that's the ticket, a secret plan. Our side is so friggin' smart.

10 posted on 04/22/2005 3:50:48 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: FreedomNeocon

But...but...but then the MSM will attack the President!


11 posted on 04/22/2005 3:51:12 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Crackingham

I just called the Anchorage office. Im under the impression, based on the conversation I just had, that she will vote against it..


13 posted on 04/22/2005 3:52:12 PM PDT by cardinal4 (George W Bush-Bringing a new democracy every term..)
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To: GABaptist

My mistake! I see the name and think of her father.


14 posted on 04/22/2005 3:52:58 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Crackingham

The limp sister, pretending to enjoy her moment with W.

15 posted on 04/22/2005 3:54:33 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Crackingham

Voinovich is starting to take too much heat...so the 'boys' need another freshman senator to 'take one for the team'... play bad cop....and take up the slack.


16 posted on 04/22/2005 3:55:13 PM PDT by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: Crackingham

Looks like a whole herd of rinos is headed our way.


17 posted on 04/22/2005 3:58:00 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Crackingham

Looks like a whole herd of rinos is headed our way.


18 posted on 04/22/2005 3:58:19 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Crackingham

Honest question:

If the GOp refuses to stand up and not kowtow to political pressures from non-GOPers then why should I vote for the GOP in November?


19 posted on 04/22/2005 4:00:00 PM PDT by Bogey78O (*tagline removed per request*)
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To: Dr. Frank fan
I hope I do not have to say "The Rep.Party Sucks"
But if they do hold fast on Delay and Bolton and do something about the immigration, I will say it.
At the same time they will lose power and deserve.
Venting on your post area Dr. Frank,sorry but thanks
20 posted on 04/22/2005 4:01:36 PM PDT by gibonski
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To: Crackingham

The Lemming mentality infects all who govern without conviction.


21 posted on 04/22/2005 4:04:09 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Crackingham
The Senate Republicans need to be reminded that they were not elected by the Editorial Board of the NY Times and the Washington Post. In fact, those papers did everything humanly possible to defeat them.

Guess what? The sicko libs running the Slimes and the ComPost still want to see them lose!

22 posted on 04/22/2005 4:04:12 PM PDT by GoBucks2002
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To: gibonski

This party is so danged ignorant they're now taking election advice from the Democrats!

Unbelievable. We ought to put bibs around their necks and pin their mittens to their jackets.


23 posted on 04/22/2005 4:04:17 PM PDT by Bogey78O (*tagline removed per request*)
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To: fortheDeclaration

It's like herding cats.


24 posted on 04/22/2005 4:04:27 PM PDT by Huck (One day the lion will lay down with the lamb; Until that day comes, I want America to be the lion.)
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To: Crackingham

The republicans are making a fatal mistake by letting themselves be intimidated by a pack of lying deceiving democRATS. I can't believe it.

Roll over and it's over. The dems will rule soon.


25 posted on 04/22/2005 4:05:45 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy ( Theresa Marie SCHINDLER - We will NEVER FORGET! - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: TomGuy
NO - IT IS RINOS THAT ARE REPULSIVE.

Bush should send Attila the Hun to represent the US in the REPULSIVE UN.

As in the same UN that lowered it's flag when Arafat died, but did not lower it's flag when Reagan died.

As in GET THE UN OUT OF THE US, AND THE US OUT OF THE UN.

26 posted on 04/22/2005 4:10:02 PM PDT by oldtimer
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To: Crackingham

President Bush: I've voted straight Republican since voting for Goldwater. If something isn't done about these wayward (so-called) Republicans soon I will never vote Republican again! Time to get some Texas cojones and crack the whip. You have many ways to punish these turncoats. Do it.

( I hope W reads this)


27 posted on 04/22/2005 4:16:10 PM PDT by pankot
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To: Kenny Bunkport

Wow. I was having lunch at the table next to her in Anch during her campaign. If this picture is recent, she's lost a lot of weight and she didn't have that much to lose.


28 posted on 04/22/2005 4:18:16 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: Crackingham

All RINOs must go.

These people are worse than the dems...at least the dems don't try to hide the fact that they are our ememies politically.


29 posted on 04/22/2005 4:20:40 PM PDT by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
If they can't hold the line on Bolton in a single committee vote, why would they be able to stand together on a floor vote to change the cloture requirements for judicial nominees? If they fold here, they prove that the seemingly endless search for a Republican majority or super majority is just a mirage and a way to keep asking for more money.Party discipline is completely lacking. There are no consequences for desertion. Bush, Frist, Rove, etc. must stop playing nice while the dems rant, lie, and intimidate the weak-kneed.
30 posted on 04/22/2005 4:22:46 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Crackingham

Can anyone say "Democratic Senate Majority"? Thanks for nothing, RINOs. It takes a special kind of stupid to be outmanuevered by a lightweight like Harry Reid.


31 posted on 04/22/2005 4:24:15 PM PDT by inkling
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To: Bogey78O

Consider the alternative? Always works for me.


32 posted on 04/22/2005 4:26:11 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: Bogey78O

As a Republican for over 30 years, I have to admit I have no answer to your question, other than maybe you shouldn't. I'm losing patience.


33 posted on 04/22/2005 4:26:23 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: inkling
It takes a special kind of stupid to be outmanuevered by a lightweight like Harry Reid.

I heard that. I re-registered "Decline to State". After what happened to Terri Schindler, I don't trust any of 'em anymore . . . with the possible exception of Tom DeLay.

34 posted on 04/22/2005 4:27:25 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy ( Theresa Marie SCHINDLER - We will NEVER FORGET! - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: Dat Mon
Voinovich is starting to take too much heat...so the 'boys' need another freshman senator to 'take one for the team'... play bad cop....and take up the slack.

You are sooooo correct. To all FReepers, my wish is that you see just how hollow this so-called republican party is. It is only the other faction in the "Two-Party Cartel". No true conservative issues are going to get passed that make a real difference because the handlers/special interests elites won't allow it. You can call it in braille.

35 posted on 04/22/2005 4:29:16 PM PDT by Digger
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To: gibonski

No illegal immigration enforcement(post 9/11), much more federal spending, increased size and scope of the federal government, Medicaid spending--after withholding accurate figures from GOP congress, steel tariffs and increased farm subsidies.
All in the past five years.
I would say the party is far past on its way to sucking.


36 posted on 04/22/2005 4:31:05 PM PDT by SeanEBoy (Success?)
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To: Crackingham
It all starts at the grass roots - - that's where the weeding takes place, and the Republicans in the states of Murkowski, McCain, Hagel, and Voinovich need to come up with strong real Republican candidates for primary challenges and get rid of these scumbags.

We did it in Pennsylvania (with Pat Toomey) and very nearly weeded out the entrenched Arlen Specter. In the meantime, the conservative Toomey is waiting in the wings and his political future is only looking up. More states need to try likewise.

In the meantime, my checkbook remains closed until the GOP does SOMETHING....

"It's the judges and the borders, stupid."

37 posted on 04/22/2005 4:32:50 PM PDT by Lancey Howard (. . . . and Bolton, too.)
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To: Bogey78O
If the GOp refuses to stand up and not kowtow to political pressures from non-GOPers then why should I vote for the GOP in November?

I didn't vote for Specter BUT it's not the party but the person.

38 posted on 04/22/2005 4:33:04 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7

I didn't vote for Specter BUT it's not the party but the person

Don't forget, Bush and the GOP endorsed Specter.


39 posted on 04/22/2005 4:34:31 PM PDT by SeanEBoy (Success?)
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To: SeanEBoy

Bush nominated Bolton and most of the GOP supports him.


40 posted on 04/22/2005 4:39:35 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: jacquej
"Consider the alternative? Always works for me."

Well, freepers may not believe her, but Hillary has moved to the right of the GOP on stopping illegal immigration and the unified dems along with a minority of Republicans just voted a big increase in border and internal enforcement agents along with funding. The dems are going to look much more in touch with the voters than the GOP on this hot button issue.

41 posted on 04/22/2005 4:44:07 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Crackingham

Am I missing something? Besides not having a hard-on for the U.N., What are the sins of this man?


42 posted on 04/22/2005 4:48:40 PM PDT by appleharvey
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To: Truth29
but Hillary has moved to the right of the GOP on stopping illegal immigration

Hillary lies.

43 posted on 04/22/2005 4:51:46 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Bogey78O

re#19

same question I am asking myself. Why vote GOP? I want leadership, not a party more concerned with what the media thinks. A GOP majority is a freakin' joke.

This is why we cant control the borders.
This is why our government is spending like drunken sailors.
This is why the Judiciary is out of control and legislating from the bench.

A GOP majority... whoop-de-doo

Until I see some guts on the judicial nominees, some guts on Bolton and some cuts in gov. spending. Not one dime pubbies, not one dime... and you are working on not getting my vote in '06.


44 posted on 04/22/2005 4:55:09 PM PDT by A message (not a dime until the Pubbies show some majority leadership)
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To: Kenny Bunkport
"Hillary lies."

Sure she does, but some will believe her, particularly if real money and fte's are appropriated. Also, a key point in all of this is that the Democrats are unified, while the Republicans can't get out of their own way.

45 posted on 04/22/2005 4:56:21 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Brilliant
Looks like a whole herd of rinos is headed our way.

Looks more like a media stampede. "Need more time to listen to crap" is not the same as "I'm against."

The next committee meetings will be more indicative of where this will end up. I think Bolton will be voted out of committee on party line.

46 posted on 04/22/2005 5:03:24 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: appleharvey
What are the sins of this man?

Well...haven't you heard? HE put his hands on his hips & LOOKED at someone. Can you believe it???

And, and, you know what else...................I think he just might have been upset with someone's incompetence. shhhh, don't tell.

47 posted on 04/22/2005 6:52:01 PM PDT by Just A Nobody
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To: Kenny Bunkport
RINOS from the Northeast (so called blue states).

We have to remember this, as in Christopher Shays, Chafee, Specter et pukes who could care less about principles, but only about power.

We are on the edge of an abyss as a Constitutional Republic unless we can put several more US Senators from the (so called red states).

May God Bless America.

48 posted on 04/22/2005 6:53:12 PM PDT by oldtimer
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To: Crackingham

A pox on both their houses.


49 posted on 04/22/2005 6:54:27 PM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: Digger
You said..."It is only the other faction in the "Two-Party Cartel". No true conservative issues are going to get passed that make a real difference because the handlers/special interests elites won't allow it."

JMHO...there are three political parties vying for power at this time...

Democrats
Republican Party A
Republican Party B

Republican party A is approximately made up of a mixture of social liberals, opportunists, some cynical and not so cynical moderates, and well connected financially motivated special interests.

Republican party B is approximately made up of a mixture of social and economic conservatives, what some would call pro America nationalists...others call patriots, conservative libertarians, and some libertarians who are very concerned with growth of government, and property and gun rights.

This is a general characterization...its more complicated than that of course...as there is some degree of overlap...not all people fall neatly into any one group.

What we have here with Bolton is an example of a power play / catfight between the two pub party factions.

Its ironic that during Clintons admin, this fissure in the pub party was not really evident...or we weren't looking for it.

This is why... with control of both houses and the presidency..we are having trouble moving forward with a conservative agenda.

We will see this fissure show itself again...with immigration, CAFTA, judicial appointments, and other issues involving national sovereignty issues.

The one area which seems to be in some degree of general Republican consensus (with possible exception of pronounced liberals) is with national security...at least in how we approach the war on terror and having a strong military.
50 posted on 04/22/2005 7:24:11 PM PDT by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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