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Neighborhood 'Child Rapist' Signs Blamed For Sex Offender's Suicide - cannot alter flyers
Internet Broadcasting ^ | April 22, 2005 | Local 6 News

Posted on 04/22/2005 9:42:50 PM PDT by Former Military Chick

Residents in a Ocala neighborhood could face charges after a convicted sex offender apparently committed suicide in despair over signs labeling him a "child rapist" posted in his neighborhood, according to Local 6 News.

Clovis Ivan Claxton, 38, who was convicted of sexually assaulting a child in Washington in 1991, had lived at 3230 SE. 45 Street in Ocala for about two years.

Tuesday, Claxton noticed bright yellow, laminated signs displaying his picture, date of birth, address and the words "child rapist" hanging on power poles in his neighborhood. A county commissioner proposed posting such information in the community but Sheriff Ed Dean rejected the idea.

After seeing the signs, Claxton called the sheriff's office and said that he felt "extremely scared and feels that people in the neighborhood are now out to possibly hurt him."

"Once he made these type statements our deputies took this man into custody under the Baker Act law and transported him to a local mental health facility for evaluation," Marion County Sheriff's Capt. Denis Strow said. "He was later released."

Tuesday morning, Claxton's parents found him dead of an apparent overdose with one of the child rapist flyers by his side.

Jane Claxton blames County Commissioner Randy Harris, who proposed the flyers, for her son's death, according to a report.

"Just don't get on the bandwagon," she said. "There's going to be other (deaths) if Randy Harris has his way. He hasn't been in trouble for 18 years, and he's branded for life."

Harris said sex offenders need to take responsibility for their actions.

"I don't blame his death to the signs," he said, adding he was undeterred in his quest to alert people to sex offenders living in their neighborhoods.

Dean said it is an example that police work should be left to authorities.

"We need to keep calm, do the right thing," Dean said. "Not go overboard with it. Protect our children. Use all of the resources we can but not stir a community up to a frenzy."

Claxton's death follows the high-profile arrests of sex offenders in the separate killings of two Florida girls less than seven weeks apart. State lawmakers have responded by passing a bill to require lifetime supervision of some child sex offenders.

State law allows for flyers to be printed and distributed, Local 6 News reported. But, altering the signs or flyers is against the law.

Claxton's address had been added to the top of the flyer along with the words "child rapist."

"It is a violation of the law," Strow said. "And should we find who perpretrated it, I'm sure it is a case that would be reviewed by the state's attorney office to see if they wish to pursue it."

The person responsible for the flyers faces up to 1 year in jail.

The sheriff's office is investigating and an autopsy was scheduled for Friday.

Marion County is located northwest of Orlando and has more than 600 registered sex offenders.

Watch Local 6 News for more on this story.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: meganslaw; molester; molestersuicide; molestors; murder; pedophile; pedophiles; prison; sexoffender; suicide
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To: Former Military Chick
Oh, my goodness, what a wonderfully eloquent and insightful comment, a true joy to read this early Saturday morning.

The defense of a perverted, lowlife, scumbag POS child molesting, baby-raping sexual predator is not, under any circumstances, eloquent and insightful.

The mindset of a sexual predator is radically different from a bank robber or a murderer or a major drug pusher or any of your run-of-the-mill criminal idiots that prey on society because they are too damned lazy to attempt to function within the mores of society.

The sexual predator will not reform, nor will they repent their crimes.

A sexual predator has been what he/she is long before they are caught for the first time.

It is my opinion, but based upon much experience gained from supervising investigations into their crimes, that for every one detected sexual predation crime, the predator has at least three that he/she has not been caught at or that has not been detected.

There may a redemption for the bank robber, the drug pusher, even the murderer, but there is no redemption other than the fires of hell for a sexual predator.

The antics of a sexual predator are not just criminal, they are monstrous and abhorently evil.

The criminal mind is a weak mind in the first place, but the sexual predator mind is devious beyond compare to that of a idiot that decides to stick a gun in someone's face for their wallet or that enters an establishment to take something by force.

We should not suffer a sexual predator in our midst. Period.

Once the sexual predator has crossed that line, he/she should always be identifed as such.

THEY DO NOT CHANGE, THEY WILL NEVER CHANGE.

51 posted on 04/23/2005 7:14:38 AM PDT by OldSmaj (Jihad this, Islam! Your religion is false and your god is non-existent! Come get me.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Well if raping a child warrants the posting of flyers in Florida - we should have the Kennedy compound in Florida surrounded - Teddy Kennedy and Chris Dodd are well known for having sex with underage girls, as well as the nephew who raped the 14 year old babysitter (oops, I'm sorry - the Kennedys loved their women - including the two they killed).


52 posted on 04/23/2005 7:38:43 AM PDT by scotiamor
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To: Monkey Face

But there are some boys getting charged with with sex offenses that are 18 and their girlfriend is under 18. I know of one right now, the girl was a runaway at 15, the boy was ignorant and vulnerable trying to help, the 15 year old girl was a slut, and parents when they found their "precious" daughter, pressed charges. The 18 year old is being charged with a sex offense.

If he is convicted, he wiil stay labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life!!

Teach your 18 year old boys to stay far away from under 18 girls, and from my experience some of them are the predators!!!!


53 posted on 04/23/2005 8:00:27 AM PDT by thirst4truth
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To: Former Military Chick

I have to agree with you.
This concerns me.
If I understood the offense in 91, I could better gauge the situation.
However, he obviously felt real shame and humiliation about what he did. I'm bothered by this.


54 posted on 04/23/2005 8:09:03 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Humidston

The biggest threats to children are the sickos that are allowed to live in the home with the children - the ones their debased mothers drag home from the bars or assorted drug orgies.
They don't murder the children and get national attention. They just molest them, beat them, and other horrifying things.
That's where children are most at danger.


55 posted on 04/23/2005 8:11:28 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: phelanw

And yet, if you speed and get into an accident, my insurance rates will go up to cover your recklessness.
I'd go a step further, though.
I think every time a cop is called to a house, that should be public information and printed in the newspaper.
It's a matter of people's reckless personal lives sucking up my tax dollars.


56 posted on 04/23/2005 8:17:10 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Former Military Chick

One less pervert is a blessing.

"After seeing the signs, Claxton called the sheriff's office and said that he felt "extremely scared and feels that people in the neighborhood are now out to possibly hurt him." "

Well, now you know how PARENTS feel when they have a PERVERT like YOU in the neighborhood. They FEAR for their innocent kids.


57 posted on 04/23/2005 8:19:28 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: kcvl

"Claxton's mother told authorities that her son had attempted to commit suicide before by taking several different pills. Investigators won't officially declare it a suicide until autopsy results come back."

Sounds like he was bound to do himself in. I don't blame the people for shaming him and alerting other parents of a pervert living there. NO sympathy for the devil here. NONE!


58 posted on 04/23/2005 8:21:32 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Former Military Chick

I am dismayed when FReepers give politicians and the flunkies that ran goverment a pass. They do it all the time.

Here is an example of pissing on the symptom and ignoring disease.


59 posted on 04/23/2005 8:22:03 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Former Military Chick

Public shame of a past crime leads to suicide. Sounds okay to me.


60 posted on 04/23/2005 8:22:22 AM PDT by samm1148
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To: SmithL

"If justice had been done in the first place, this would never have been an issue. Nevertheless, I would much rather read about a dead child molestor than another dead child."

Couldn't agree more!


61 posted on 04/23/2005 8:22:33 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: thirst4truth

"But there are some boys getting charged with with sex offenses that are 18 and their girlfriend is under 18. I know of one right now, the girl was a runaway at 15, the boy was ignorant and vulnerable trying to help, the 15 year old girl was a slut, and parents when they found their "precious" daughter, pressed charges. The 18 year old is being charged with a sex offense.

If he is convicted, he wiil stay labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life!!

Teach your 18 year old boys to stay far away from under 18 girls, and from my experience some of them are the predators!!!!"

That's a very good argument. Except for one thing: While you lament an 18 year old "boy" being labeled as a sex offender, you also label the girl as a slut. Interesting.

You don't seem to understand that by the time a "boy" is 18, he has already molested at least one girl, and maybe a boy, because the desire for sexual gratification begins at an early age.

As for the "slut", how do you know her father or some other male in her house or extended family has not been abusing her for years? Sounds to me like you need an education in sex offender behavior.


62 posted on 04/23/2005 8:58:04 AM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: mabelkitty

The only shame and humiliation he felt was that at being caught. They don't feel shame. Which is why they are repeat offenders. The only humiliation they feel is that which accompanies having their secret lives revealed.

You don't realize how carefully sexual predators set up their lives to enable them to prey on children. EVERYTHING they say and do is geared toward one thing: sexual gratification.


63 posted on 04/23/2005 9:02:21 AM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: Former Military Chick
I agree with you but I have to be honest:  I can understand where the witch-hunt mentality might have come from.  In the last couple of years it seems like we've seen a huge upswing in the number of "released sex offender murders 10 year old girl" stories and I'm getting pretty frickin' tired of it, myself.

It's crystal clear that we are failing to deal with sex offenders properly the first time around.  I don't know where that failing stems from - whether the criminal justice system is treating them too liberally or if mental health professionals are not grasping the full extent of the mental deformities of sex criminals minds - but it's obvious that something has to change before this problem gets worse.

64 posted on 04/23/2005 9:12:36 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (I know a great deal about the Middle East because Ive been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
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To: D-fendr

"Do you think God could transform a sex offender?"

If God "transformed" a sex-offender, He would be breaking one of His own Laws ~ that of free-agency. Remember that a sexual predator is a sexual predator because that is what he CHOOSES to be.


65 posted on 04/23/2005 9:14:46 AM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: Monkey Face

We need more signs!!

Crime Stoppers should send a reward to some charity in this guys name - he did everyone a favor!


66 posted on 04/23/2005 9:17:46 AM PDT by MudSlide
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To: Monkey Face
You don't seem to understand that by the time a "boy" is 18, he has already molested at least one girl, and maybe a boy, because the desire for sexual gratification begins at an early age.

especially the way they "teach" sex ed in school - where they sit in mixed groups - boy-girl-boy-girl - and pass around condoms, are taught how to put them on cucumbers - have and have to draw, very detailed pictures, are treated like - we-know-you-re-all gonna=do-it - so's here's all the different ways, and pass around the different contraceptive devices, boy to girl to boy - etc...

the little bit I've touched on is mild compared to the rest of it.

I've sat in on some of there latent-imprint sessions - as a reporter at a state wide conference (the parents thought they were on a literary field trip! - They did not want me there - but couldn't bar me. I was guest speaker at a Boston TV talk show and debated the authors of one of the books they teach the kids from (not on the listed curriculum - and written by lesbians) Parents are naive and have no idea what their kids are actually subjected to in "sex ed" - and then, no consequences should you get pregnant - the parents need never know, just go to PP and they'll take care of it.)

Sex ed is programmed to break down inhibitions, teach them ALL about how to do it, get them wanting to experiment, etc...

67 posted on 04/23/2005 9:20:27 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
It's crystal clear that we are failing to deal with sex offenders properly the first time around. I don't know where that failing stems from - whether the criminal justice system is treating them too liberally or

What irritates me is letting them out years before they complete their sentences on "good behavior"

Ahh, what are you saying? Because he didn't rape any kids while locked up, he's been 'good"???

That makes no sense to me...

68 posted on 04/23/2005 9:23:32 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: MudSlide

If only we could get the rest of the butt-heads to take their own lives...

*sigh*

Only death stops these "people" from molesting. Prison "stops" them for as long as they are in prison. As soon as legislators and judges and juries realize these two facts, more predators will be in jail for life. I personally think sexual predators who murder their victims should be allowed one appeal, if they are given the death penalty. And then they should summarily be eliminated.


69 posted on 04/23/2005 9:31:57 AM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: Former Military Chick
After seeing the signs, Claxton called the sheriff's office and said that he felt "extremely scared and feels that people in the neighborhood are now out to possibly hurt him."

"Once he made these type statements our deputies took this man into custody under the Baker Act law and transported him to a local mental health facility for evaluation," Marion County Sheriff's Capt. Denis Strow said. "He was later released."

"You're not paranoid if they really are out to get you."

70 posted on 04/23/2005 9:35:12 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. http://209.245.58.70/frosty65/ Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: maine-iac7

Yah...I still maintain that sex ed should be taught in the home, by parents, but then, a lot of parents don't know any more than their kids do. Except that putting Tab A" into Slot "B" will result in preganany. Which is why we have AIDS and Herpes running rampant.


71 posted on 04/23/2005 9:37:14 AM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: SteveMcKing
It is unlikely that he killed himself because of overpowering feelings of guilt--or if he did it took him 14 years to feel that degree of guilt. Part of the horror of admitting wrongdoing to ones self is the fact that you have to live with it. If you find that very hard to bear than you can be sure your sin was very bad also. Many people can't face what they have done and deny their guilt to themselves.

Personally I feel that the guy was worried that people knew about him and felt he would be ostracized so he decided to take the premier way out--die and blame the people who "outed" him by putting the sign beside him, thereby making himself the "victim" instead of the child(ren) he molested. If he was innocent he surely did the wrong thing by killing himself, if he was guilty he should have had the guts to admit it and go on with his life...and he shouldn't have been out living among the public. Registration and tracking are not the answer to keep predators from killing children.
72 posted on 04/23/2005 9:39:45 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: Former Military Chick
He hasn't been in trouble for 18 years, and he's branded for life."

Let's see, that means he was 20 years old when he was first caught and convicted. That his mother says he hasn't been in trouble for 18 years means absolutely NOTHING. She wouldn't know if he was behaving himself or not.

Secondly, I see nothing wrong with being branded for life and having to do some very heavy emotional lifting to prove your repentance. To always be apologetic and humbled before the righteous wrath of the community can only build character in the one who is truly transformed.

73 posted on 04/23/2005 9:47:02 AM PDT by January24th
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To: January24th

"...Secondly, I see nothing wrong with being branded for life and having to do some very heavy emotional lifting to prove your repentance. To always be apologetic and humbled before the righteous wrath of the community can only build character in the one who is truly transformed."

OK. One more time, in case you haven't read any of my posts so far on this thread: Predators do not feel "remorse" or "shame" or any other truly human emotion. Their lives are all about LIES. They do NOT "repent". They are NEVER "rehabilitated". If you believe otherwise, then you must have gotten your information from a sexual predator.


74 posted on 04/23/2005 10:26:37 AM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: pepperdog

At LAST! A reasonable mind! I thought I was here alone...Trying to inform people of the insidious nature of sexual predators is a thankless job, but it has to be done.
Thanks! ;o]


75 posted on 04/23/2005 10:28:42 AM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: Monkey Face

And YOU spend quite a bit of time assuming the backgrounds of posters on this thread.


76 posted on 04/23/2005 10:55:52 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Monkey Face

Monkey Grill, chill. Please re-read: the context of my post was directed at the silly hysteria surrounding the idea of being "branded for life." Perhaps I let it take me off the main topic of pedophilia, which, as far as I am concerned is incurable, but the idea of branding someone for life appears to have had the desired effect in this case.

My comment was directed precisely toward the bleeding hearts who feel it cruel to brand someone for life. But branding is a two-edged sword: the public is warned and the violator is exposed and shamed and terrified, just like his victim. Such punishment may or may not bring about "repentance" but if it did, it would require all that I outlined. It was a thought experiment...undeserving of your vile assumptions.





77 posted on 04/23/2005 11:12:33 AM PDT by January24th
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To: Monkey Face
You don't seem to understand that by the time a "boy" is 18, he has already molested at least one girl, and maybe a boy, because the desire for sexual gratification begins at an early age.

I have seen a great amount of pain in your other posts, but your words are getting perverse.

So, are you among the feminists who believe sex in marriage is rape, too? You sound like a nutjob when you say men will have molested girls and boys by the time they are 18.

Check your mouth, woman! You are incriminating every man you know here and elsewhere!

You may have some pain you are working though, but don't seek to hurt everyone to assuage your sores.

"Monkey Face", you are beginning to look like you have a "Monkey Brain"
78 posted on 04/23/2005 11:15:45 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Monkey Face

You are very wrong in those words.

When one truly allows God in, all problems can be dealt with.

People can change and that change is much more possible through God. The past may not be made different, but the future can be.


79 posted on 04/23/2005 11:19:52 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Monkey Face

Monkey Face, you really need to calm down. You are showing an hysteria that is not founded by the article first posted.


80 posted on 04/23/2005 11:32:32 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: RavenATB
So are you saying you'd have a problem with fliers being passed out about your past speeding ticket?

You have still done something that highlights your inability to follow rules to the point of endangering someone else.

There are differences between all crimes. But they are all crimes, nonetheless.

I think it would do us well to know who has embezzled, stolen, murdered, committed tax fraud, etc. It is already in the public record, so requiring the albatross to follow us around would be a good tool, don't you think? Let's re-register our crimes everywhere we go.

I find it interesting that almost no other person on this thread has a problem with not knowing where murderers are among us, if not speeding tickets.
81 posted on 04/23/2005 11:48:36 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind

"Monkey Face, you really need to calm down. You are showing an hysteria that is not founded by the article first posted."

I am calm. Too bad that doesn't come through in print. The article was way off base, but that's OK. People post things like that here with the object in mind of having a discussion. My purpose in responding to the various posters was to inform them of the sheer futility of expecting sexual predators to feel "shame" or "remorse" for what they have done. If I have failed in that, it is not because I haven't tried to 'splain things...

If you think that is "hysterical," then shame on you.


82 posted on 04/23/2005 12:57:18 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: mabelkitty; ConservativeMind; January24th

You all are far to sensitive for me. It really is too bad none of you know me, and that you can't hear my voice when I have to type things.

Each of you acts as if I made a personal attack on you, and that is not the case. I responded to an article, and to certain ideas of posters. I get the feeling that I have no permission to oppose a statement, even though all three of you are quite heated about opposing mine.

You are all entitled to your opinions of me. I, however, will not form any opinions as to your abilities as posters, nor as people. I usually try to read a person's bio page before ever making a comment to that person. Some have no information on theirs, and others have information that is not personal. And still others have a little bit of everything. But none of that is reason enough to attack a poster for AN OPINION.

If you feel predators should be branded, or speeders, or thieves, or batterers, or murderers, fine. But whatever you do, no matter which side of the argument you take, make sure you have made the best opinion you can with the FACTS that are available.

And never "assume" that other posters are making "assumptions."

And for cryin' out loud: LIGHTEN UP! It's only an article, not the end of the world!


83 posted on 04/23/2005 1:18:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: Monkey Face

Sweetie, you are the one who needs to lighten up. You are the one who made assumptions about where one gets their information, you are NOT even the one to whom I originally posted my comment, but you ARE the one who took it personally, came off with the "o.k., one more time" nonsense about how we need to read YOUR posts before we post. You obviously have no idea how your posts come across.

Moreover, YOU are the one who knows nothing about your fellow freepers, else you'd realize we all ask clarifying questions before we jump into someone's sandbox. But your pride won't let you back down and have a calm discussion.

For the sacrifices your family has made for our freedom, I salute you and thank you. For your total lack of understanding as to how your postings come across, I forgive you. If I have somehow offended in my attempts to politely rebuff your offensive responses, I sincerely apologize.


84 posted on 04/23/2005 1:36:55 PM PDT by January24th
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To: Monkey Face
When you use a lot of UPPER CASE for emphasis and then literally paint all boys as sexual abusers of girls and some other boys, what are we to think? You aren't joking around nor taking things in a light-hearted way.

I had refrained from stronger retorts until you labeled me and every man I've ever know as sexual abusers of fellow children. You went totally over the top on that one, Monkey Face.

You still have yet to apologize or retract such vile.
85 posted on 04/23/2005 1:45:14 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: Monkey Face; mabelkitty; ConservativeMind; January24th

oh. this thread.

okay. seems to me that the folks you are mixing it up with are trying to state that there is a significant difference between someone who has sex with a person who is significantly post-pubescent (ie: physically mature/adult) but statutorially under the age of consent vs. a pedophile baby-raper.


86 posted on 04/23/2005 1:47:24 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: January24th

"Sweetie, you are the one who needs to lighten up. You are the one who made assumptions about where one gets their information, you are NOT even the one to whom I originally posted my comment, but you ARE the one who took it personally, came off with the "o.k., one more time" nonsense about how we need to read YOUR posts before we post. You obviously have no idea how your posts come across.

Moreover, YOU are the one who knows nothing about your fellow freepers, else you'd realize we all ask clarifying questions before we jump into someone's sandbox. But your pride won't let you back down and have a calm discussion.

For the sacrifices your family has made for our freedom, I salute you and thank you. For your total lack of understanding as to how your postings come across, I forgive you. If I have somehow offended in my attempts to politely rebuff your offensive responses, I sincerely apologize."

I am amazed. If I know nothing about my fellow FReepers, it's not because I haven't tried. And if my comments are misunderstood, I suspect I'm in the majority, there. There's a lot of that going around.

I have always been out-spoken, and if it comes across as rude, then that's the way you'll have to read it.

Again...my comments were written CALMLY. If you read them as antagonistic, then I'm sorry for that. I'm a rather complex person, and unless one knows me VERY well, one will only ever scratch the surface of who I am, and therefore, often misinterpret the things I say. You are not the first to accuse me of being out of control, and I suspect you won't be the last. But that doesn't make it true.

It wasn't necessary to thank me for my familys' sacrifices. I was only a by-stander. They are the ones who deserve the accolades. Still, your thought counts.


87 posted on 04/23/2005 1:52:31 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: Former Military Chick

I totally agree with you. If he has been on the straight an narrow for almost 15 years, this was a horrible thing to do.


88 posted on 04/23/2005 1:54:38 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Monkey Face

So you're saying that NOBODY EVER straightens themselves out? I find that a little hard to believe. And if it's the truth, why don't we just put them in a leper colony kind of place. Really, what is your solution?


89 posted on 04/23/2005 1:56:10 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Monkey Face

Monkey....all your posts say more about you than the subject matter. Sorry.


90 posted on 04/23/2005 1:58:38 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: ConservativeMind

"...I had refrained from stronger retorts until you labeled me and every man I've ever know as sexual abusers of fellow children. You went totally over the top on that one, Monkey Face..."

Let me see, now...you called me a feminist who thinks sex in marriage is rape, and also called me a nutjob. (Have you been talking to blackbart?)

Hmmmm...I don't recall accusing you or anyone else of being anything. I was talking about sexual predators, already having that propensity when they are young.

Some times, a gal is damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't. I'll say this, though: You calling me names is not going to make them true, and will not change the fact that the subject was sexual predators.


91 posted on 04/23/2005 1:59:12 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: Hildy

"Monkey....all your posts say more about you than the subject matter. Sorry."

Don't apologize. I can speak equally well on a variety of subjects, and they will also say more about me than the subject matter. All it proves is that my interests are varied.


92 posted on 04/23/2005 2:02:05 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: Monkey Face
I have always been out-spoken, and if it comes across as rude, then that's the way you'll have to read it.

It's a non-corrollary. You can be outspoken without being rude.

Allow me all the graces you have richly supplied for your own shortcomings, but I misunderstood nothing of what you wrote, you were very clear. Hide behind "complexity" if you like buy what you really have is a complex.

93 posted on 04/23/2005 2:02:57 PM PDT by January24th
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To: Monkey Face

Ok, fair enough. But do you have a solution? You do seem to know alot and have strong opinions, so what do you think we should do with child molesters after they leave prison?


94 posted on 04/23/2005 2:04:23 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy

Hildy, you are a dear! And a better person than I.


95 posted on 04/23/2005 2:08:10 PM PDT by January24th
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To: Hildy

"So you're saying that NOBODY EVER straightens themselves out? I find that a little hard to believe. And if it's the truth, why don't we just put them in a leper colony kind of place. Really, what is your solution?":

No. I'm saying in order to change, a person needs to WANT to change, from the heart. Murderers can change, if they wish, and so can liars and thieves, as evidenced by the many that "find Jesus" behind prison walls.

If you read what I said earlier, you would know that a child predator does NOT want to change, and if he says he has, it is because he has his own agenda. This information is available to anyone who reads non-fiction on the subject, or watches documentaries. I am not saying it to impress anyone, or to force my "opinion" onto anyone.

Sexual predators are who they are by choice. That is not my "opinion" ~ it is a fact.

I have no "solution" for this. Only the lawmakers can change this problem. And they can only do that if enough people are informed of the facts.


96 posted on 04/23/2005 2:13:29 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: Monkey Face

The difference is that I asked you if you were such a woman while you outright stated that boys by the time we are 18 have molested at least one girl and probably a fellow boy, too.

You were talking about all men and that is what I've included on all the prior quotes.

Go back to your post and my posts concerning this matter.

You crossed a line and I will not let you get away with that.


97 posted on 04/23/2005 2:17:18 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: January24th

"...Hide behind "complexity" if you like buy what you really have is a complex."

Don't we all have a complex of some kind?

This thread has gone from a discussion (though heated, at times) to a "Get Monkey Face" kinda thing, don't you think?



98 posted on 04/23/2005 2:18:48 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: ConservativeMind

"The difference is that I asked you if you were such a woman while you outright stated that boys by the time we are 18 have molested at least one girl and probably a fellow boy, too.

You were talking about all men and that is what I've included on all the prior quotes."

No, I was not talking about all men. The subject was sexual predators. If that wasn't made clear, then you have my apology.


99 posted on 04/23/2005 2:21:47 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I think. Therefore, I am overqualified.)
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To: Monkey Face

You really think it's a choice and not an illness?


100 posted on 04/23/2005 2:22:02 PM PDT by Hildy
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