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Day 4 of Pope Benedict XVI's Reign - "Moving On Up;" "In the Lion's Den" With Reporters
Yahoo! News ^ | 4/23/2005 | n/a

Posted on 04/23/2005 12:07:40 PM PDT by Pyro7480


Pope Benedict XVI enters Paul VI Hall in the Vatican for an audience with international journalists April 23, 2005. REUTERS/Alessia Pierdomenico


Movers carry boxes of books out of the former residence of German Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, iin Rome, Saturday, April 23, 2005. Pope Benedict XVI is expected to take over his new residence in the Papal apartments at the Vatican following his installation ceremony on Sunday. (AP Photo/Jasper Juinen)


Movers carry furniture out of the former residence of German Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, loading it into a truck in Rome, Saturday, April 23, 2005. Pope Benedict XVI is expected to take over his new residence in the Papal apartments following his installation ceremony on Sunday. (AP Photo/Jasper Juinen)


Workers remove furniture from Pope Benedict XVI's former residence near the Vatican, April 23, 2005. The Pope's inauguration will be held in St. Peter's Square on Sunday, after which he will reside in the papal apartment overlooking Saint Peter's square. REUTERS/Mal Langsdon


The Pope's housekeeper Ingrid Stampa (L) oversees the removal of furniture from Pope Benedict XVI's former residence near the Vatican, April 23, 2005. The Pope's inauguration will be held in St. Peter's Square on Sunday, after which he will reside in the papal apartment overlooking the square. REUTERS/Alessia Pierdomenico


Pope Benedict XVI waves as he enters Paul VI Hall in the Vatican for an audience with international journalists April 23, 2005. REUTERS/Alessia Pierdomenico


Pope Benedict XVI stands in the Paul VI Hall during his audience with international journalists in the Vatican April 23, 2005. REUTERS/Alessia Pierdomenico


Pope Benedict XVI holds up his hands during his audience with international journalists in the Paul VI Hall in the Vatican April 23, 2005. REUTERS/Alessia Pierdomenico

Pope Benedict XVI is flanked by two bishops, left, and Italian Cardinal Ersilio Tonini in the Vatican hall used for weekly general audiences for a meeting with the media, Saturday, April 23, 2005. The Pontiff said Saturday he hopes to continue the openness with the media fostered by his predecessor and thanked journalists for their coverage during the 'historically important' events during the papal transition. (AP Photo/Andrew Medichini)


Pope Benedict XVI blesses international journalists during his audience with them in the Paul VI Hall in the Vatican April 23, 2005. REUTERS/Alessia Pierdomenico


Pope Benedict XVI speaks during an audience with the international press at the Vatican. The pope launched a media charm offensive a day ahead of his solemn inauguration, telling journalists in four languages that thanks to them the 'entire world' had been focused on the Roman Catholic Church.(AFP/Vincenzo Pinto)


Pope Benedict XVI waves as he leaves the vast Vatican hall, used for weekly general audiences, after a meeting with journalists, Saturday, April 23, 2005. The Pontiff said Saturday he hopes to continue the openness with the media fostered by his predecessor and thanked journalists for their coverage during the 'historically important' events during the papal transition. (AP Photo/Andrew Medichini)


In this photo made available by the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano,President of the Foreign Press Club Antonio Pelayo shakes hands with Pope Benedict XVI during a meeting with journalists at the Paul VI Hall at the Vatican, Saturday, April 23,2005. During the meeting the new pontiff said he hopes to continue the openness with the media fostered by his predecessor and thanked journalists for their coverage during the 'historically important' events during the papal transition. (AP Photo/L'Osservatore Romano)


Catholic Priest Georg Ratzinger (R) the 81-year-old brother of newly elected German Pope Benedict XVI, waits at Munich airport with the Vicar of Regenburg Wilhelm Gegenfurtner, for his flight to Rome to visit his brother April 23, 2005. REUTERS/Michaela Rehle


Catholic priest Georg Ratzinger (C), the 81-year-old brother of newly elected German Pope Benedict XVI, is accompanied by the Pope's housekeeper, Ingrid Stampa, on his arrival at the Pope's residence near the Vatican April 23, 2005. The Pope's inauguration will be held in St. Peter's Square on Sunday. REUTERS/Maurizio La Pira


German pilgrims wave German and Bavarian flags in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican, Saturday, April 23, 2005. Hundreds of thousands of pilgrims, many from the pontiff's native Germany, are expected in Rome to attend Pope Benedict XVI installation ceremony on Sunday. (AP Photo/Jasper Juinen)


A young girl sits outside the entrance to the house where newly elected Pope Benedict XVI was born in 1927, in the Bavarian village of Marktl, April 23, 2005. REUTERS/Alexandra Winkler


Postcards of Pope Benedict XVI are offered for sale in a souvenir shop near the Vatican, April 23, 2005. The Pope's inauguration will be held in St. Peter's Square on Sunday. REUTERS/Alessia Pierdomenico


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Viva il Papa!
1 posted on 04/23/2005 12:07:42 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Miss Behave; NYer; american colleen; Prince Charles; ELS; ColoCdn; onyx; Rightfootforward; ...

Movers carry boxes of books out of the former residence of German Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, iin Rome, Saturday, April 23, 2005. Pope Benedict XVI is expected to take over his new residence in the Papal apartments at the Vatican following his installation ceremony on Sunday. (AP Photo/Jasper Juinen)

And I thought I had it bad with my number of books! Of course, the new Pope is a book lover.

Viva il Papa!

2 posted on 04/23/2005 12:10:07 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: Pyro7480
At his papal ordination tomorrow, the Vatican expects 1/2 million in St. Peter's Square......100,000 from Germany.

I believed from the beginning that EUROPE and the West needed the pope from those homelands because they are the roots of the Christian Church.

This will be a boost for German Catholics. It might even help Spain. Spain just passed a law that allows for homosexual marriage and adoption.

3 posted on 04/23/2005 12:13:11 PM PDT by starfish923 (Iohannas Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem)
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To: Pyro7480
It would be great if this heralded Europe's re-Christianization--well, we can pray for it anyway.

BTW, Great pics.

DER PAPST LEBE HOCH!!

4 posted on 04/23/2005 12:21:28 PM PDT by ishmac
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To: Pyro7480
His home library is pretty impressive, considering that as a very senior official he had full use of Vatican libraries collections. BTW, he loves cats as well, and our own Viking Kitties' keepers might have a future in the Church and should be applying for catatores (?-my Latin is dubious) positions.
5 posted on 04/23/2005 12:26:00 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Pyro7480

I'm still trying to get used to him being pope. I am so used to thinking of him as the Pope's right hand man at CDF. I think he's great, but my first reaction is one of how strange for him to be wearing that white papal garb. Also, the other prelates seem to tower over him. Diminutive in stature but mighty in spirit, I'm sure, though.


6 posted on 04/23/2005 12:29:38 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Pyro7480

God bless you for doing this service.


7 posted on 04/23/2005 12:33:39 PM PDT by Aristotle721 (The Recovering Choir Director - www.cantemusdomino.net/blog)
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To: Pyro7480

I was thinking the same thing. We have moved four times in the last two years and each time my family has shot me dirty looks for all of the books I own. I can't help it I am a historian I tell them. Lol. I bet those movers don't mind.


8 posted on 04/23/2005 12:36:30 PM PDT by Aleighanne
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To: Aleighanne

Interesting to see his movers are no better than the ones we have used: notice that the boxes say handle with care, but upside down!


9 posted on 04/23/2005 12:39:48 PM PDT by trimom
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To: trimom

LOL!


10 posted on 04/23/2005 12:42:34 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (If you think pushing 40 is hard, try dragging it!)
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To: Pyro7480
The Pope's housekeeper Ingrid Stampa

I know nothing about Vatican things, but I surely hope Ingrid can remain as his apparently loyal and faithful aide.

11 posted on 04/23/2005 12:47:35 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (I don't drink and FReep...it just looks that way)
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To: trimom
Nice catch.

They get bonus points for doing it with “this side up.”

12 posted on 04/23/2005 12:48:02 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Pyro7480

danke für große Abbildungen von Benedictum XVI Thank you very good photograph


13 posted on 04/23/2005 12:50:38 PM PDT by anonymoussierra (Omnia vincit amor; et nos cedamus amori -O sancta simplicitas!)
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To: Aleighanne; Pyro7480

When my oldest brother, a notorious bookworm, moved into his current home he had to hire a separate mover to move his books. The mover said he had never seen, let alone moved, so many books for a private individual. There were around 400 BOXES of books.


14 posted on 04/23/2005 12:51:01 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

If I'm not careful, I'm going to end up like your older brother! ;-) I've been down in the DC area for almost 2 years now, and about a year after I moved in, I finally bought a bookcase for my books. Between the books I brought down with me, and the books I had bought since I had arrived, I filled more than half the bookcase, which has three shelves. It's now completely full, and I have boxes of books still at my parents' house!


15 posted on 04/23/2005 12:54:57 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: Pyro7480

Nothing but books and bookcases. That "piece of furniture" is a bookcase, and somebody else is carrying the shelves.

It looks just like one of my moves. Last time we moved I rented a U-Haul just for the books and bookcases, which I always move myself because the moving men would charge a fortune.

It saves a lot of time if you don't have to run to the library every time you need to verify a quotation.

I'll bet his bed and the rest of his furniture is pretty simple.


16 posted on 04/23/2005 1:05:30 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Pyro7480
Thanks for the ping! I got up and watched the audience with the journalists. The Holy Father was very much at ease with them.

What an impressive personal library he must have!

I hope he and his brother Georg get to spend some quality time at the Vatican.

17 posted on 04/23/2005 1:12:46 PM PDT by padfoot_lover
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To: Pyro7480

Thanks for the ping. I am glad to see Father Georg is making the trip to Rome. It seems odd to have a pope who has relatives, even if only a brother. Pope John Paul had no one from his family left. This is a nice blessing for His Holiness, that someone of his blood will be there for his Inaugural Mass.


18 posted on 04/23/2005 1:24:11 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Pyro7480
I have four full bookcases and still have books in boxes. I have been working at it a little longer than you, though.

It's nothing compared to my brother. I suggested that he get archival storage installed in his house. You know where there are movable stacks with just one aisle to walk into. You just open the aisle that you need at the time.

19 posted on 04/23/2005 1:35:28 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Pyro7480

I also noticed that, in these pictures, he is wearing the traditional red papal slippers/shoes. I don't recall if John Paul II wore them or not, but I don't remember seeing them... does anyone else?


20 posted on 04/23/2005 1:45:02 PM PDT by pseudo-ignatius
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To: pseudo-ignatius
It seems to me Pope John Paul wore brown leather shoes. That is what he was buried in.

Do you know if the red slippers have any significance?

21 posted on 04/23/2005 1:50:02 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Pyro7480; NYer; Mo1; nicmarlo; All
Meet the Press-Sunday, April 24

Rev. Thomas Bohlin, Joseph Bottum, Thomas Cahill, E.J. Dionne, Rev. Joseph Fessio, S.J., Jon Meacham, Sister Mary Aquin O'Neill, RSM, Ph.D

On Tuesday, Roman Catholic cardinals elected Joseph Ratzinger the 265th pope -- making Pope Benedict XVI the first German pope since the 11th century. What is the future of the Catholic Church under the new pontiff? How will his election alter the debates within the church in America and abroad?

This Sunday's "Meet the Press with Tim Russert" explores the ramifications of the historical papal election with an exclusive group of distinguished religious scholars: Rev. Thomas Bohlin, U.S. Vicar of Opus Dei; Joseph Bottum, Editor of "First Things" and Contributing Editor of The Weekly Standard; author and historian Thomas Cahill; columnist E.J. Dionne of the Washington Post; Rev. Joseph Fessio, S.J., Provost of Ave Maria University, Founder of the Ignatius Press and former doctoral student under the new Pope; Jon Meacham, Managing Editor of Newsweek; and Sister Mary Aquin O'Neill, RSM, of Mount Saint Agnes Theological Center for Women.

22 posted on 04/23/2005 2:17:58 PM PDT by STARWISE (FIGHT JUDICIAL TYRANNY- CALL TO URGE COURAGE-SENATORS @ 866-808-0065+ REPS @ (202) 224-3121.FIGHT4US)
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To: ELS; Pyro7480
He's a bookworm, all right.

So am I. Floor to ceiling bookcases on each end of the living room (8' tall, one on a 20' wall, the other on a 16' wall.) Wraparound overhead cabinets over the desk surface in the study. 8' by 12' built-in bookcase in the master bedroom, plus 3 small (2 shelf) bookcases under the windows. Another small 2 shelf bookcase in the bathroom. Daughter has two freestanding units 7' by 3', plus a small 2 shelf bookcase. Son has built-in bookcase in his headboard, plus a small 2' wide 4' tall unit. In the playroom, 4 7' by 3' units plus two computer units. In the playroom closet, two 7 by 3' units. ALL are full of books. That doesn't count the ones on the floor in the playroom.

I have never counted, but I'm sure we have at least 500 books. Probably more.

23 posted on 04/23/2005 2:20:14 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Miss Marple
I'm just thinking of the ramifications of the office, Vicar of Rome, etc... a princely position, etc.

I do think the Vatican tailor needs to get busy and add a couple more inches of hem to his vestments -- LOL.


24 posted on 04/23/2005 2:21:16 PM PDT by STARWISE (FIGHT JUDICIAL TYRANNY- CALL TO URGE COURAGE-SENATORS @ 866-808-0065+ REPS @ (202) 224-3121.FIGHT4US)
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To: STARWISE
I do think the Vatican tailor needs to get busy and add a couple more inches of hem to his vestments -- LOL.

He's wearing floods. lol.

25 posted on 04/23/2005 2:24:15 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (no electrons were harmed in the making of this tagline)
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To: Miss Marple
The red color is a reminder of the blood of martyrs. They have traditionally been made of satin and leather, with an embroidered cross of rubies.

I checked into it, and John Paul II did wear brown leather shoes (from Poland), and he was buried in them. So, this is at least one instance of an old papal tradition that Benedict XVI is reviving.

26 posted on 04/23/2005 2:25:12 PM PDT by pseudo-ignatius
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To: Miss Marple
The red color is a reminder of the blood of martyrs. They have traditionally been made of satin and leather, with an embroidered cross of rubies.

I checked into it, and John Paul II did wear brown leather shoes (from Poland), and he was buried in them. So, this is at least one instance of an old papal tradition that Benedict XVI is reviving.

27 posted on 04/23/2005 2:25:50 PM PDT by pseudo-ignatius
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To: All
In the interest of awareness of what the enemy is doing, here's another cut and slash piece from dowdy Maureen about our dear new Pope Benedict XVI, with her perverted comparisons to our wonderful Vice President, Richard Cheney. I just don't know how her very Catholic family abides her.

Uncle Dick and Papa

28 posted on 04/23/2005 2:29:41 PM PDT by STARWISE (FIGHT JUDICIAL TYRANNY- CALL TO URGE COURAGE-SENATORS @ 866-808-0065+ REPS @ (202) 224-3121.FIGHT4US)
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To: pseudo-ignatius
I also noticed that, in these pictures, he is wearing the traditional red papal slippers/shoes. I don't recall if John Paul II wore them or not, but I don't remember seeing them

I recall a story about how Nike or Reebok or one of the other shoe companies made a special walking shoe for the Holy Father, essentially a white leather tennis shoe with gold trim, which he found most comfortable during trips when he spent considerable time on his feet.

29 posted on 04/23/2005 2:30:37 PM PDT by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I sympathize. I have, at last count, 1500 volumes in my house.

My wife is at the point of making me rent a storage locker.

30 posted on 04/23/2005 2:31:20 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Pyro7480
LOL! I definitely have that many books but when I moved ten years ago they certainly weren't packed that nicely! Worst thing to move since they are so heavy.

Wonderful pictures, looks like he's growing comfortably into his role of Benedict XVI. Love the picture of his brother. Thank you so much for the ping.

P.S. I still can't stop smiling when I think of him and how lucky we are.

31 posted on 04/23/2005 2:33:18 PM PDT by american colleen (Long live Benedict XVI!)
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To: STARWISE
I just don't know how her very Catholic family abides her.

How do you know her family is 'very Catholic'? Hard to believe they are orthodox Catholics and she turned out like the miserable witch she is.

32 posted on 04/23/2005 2:35:21 PM PDT by american colleen (Long live Benedict XVI!)
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To: anonymoussierra

anonymoussierra, I've been wondering something over the last week. How do the Poles think about Benedict XVI's being elected Pope? I can't help but believe that they are very happy indeed, that a man who was Pope John Paul II's right hand man was selected? What do you think?


33 posted on 04/23/2005 2:40:38 PM PDT by Lady In Blue ( President 'SEABISCUIT' AKA George W Bush)
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To: Pyro7480

Pyro, would you be so kind as to put me on the ping list to your wonderful ministry! I absolutely love the red shoes.


34 posted on 04/23/2005 2:40:54 PM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: american colleen
How do you know her family is 'very Catholic'? Hard to believe they are orthodox Catholics and she turned out like the miserable witch she is.

She's written about her normal conservative Republican Irish Catholic family before, she's clearly the black sheep in the family.

35 posted on 04/23/2005 2:42:45 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (no electrons were harmed in the making of this tagline)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Your house sounds like my house... imagine if they hadn't started to make those larger sized paperbacks and everything was still in hardcover? Oh vey!

I got mad about a year ago because my husband was supposed to build me floor to ceiling bookshelves in the dining room and he hadn't done it (still hasn't). So I took the remaining @ 20 boxes out of the attic and stacked 'em all on the side of my side of the bed, where they remain. I should take a picture and post it here.

Both my kids have 4' wide floor to ceiling bookcases all full & stacked in the open spaces, downstairs I have two in the living room, three in the dining room and one in the den... plus stacks of books here and there. Who needs furniture?

Before I had kids I had all my books by genre and alphabetized... now... well, let's just say there's no rhyme or reason to them but I can put my finger on whatever you want in a minute or two.

36 posted on 04/23/2005 2:43:32 PM PDT by american colleen (Long live Benedict XVI!)
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To: Unam Sanctam
"Also, the other prelates seem to tower over him. Diminutive in stature but mighty in spirit.."

I'll have to admit, I'm starting to picture him a dwarf who is shy, intellectual, any yet fun loving.
BTW, A interview with Fr. Fessio covered in an earlier thread disclosed that there is a rumor that Pope Benedict XVI will continue on defacto as the head of the CDF and appoint only a secretary type to fill his former position. Fr. Fessio explained that such an arrangement used to be the norm.
37 posted on 04/23/2005 2:44:58 PM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota (Daschle is gone.)
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To: dubyaismypresident
I have a feeling 'normal conservative Republican Irish Catholic' might be a tad different to her than it is to us!

How in God's name could you stand her at holiday dinners? She is so cynical and hateful most of the time.

38 posted on 04/23/2005 2:45:14 PM PDT by american colleen (Long live Benedict XVI!)
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To: american colleen
Of all my books, the only one I can't lay a hand on right now is my copy of Spike Milligan's Adolf Hitler - My Part in His Downfall. I think I loaned it to somebody. Ordinarily, I write the borrower's name on a 3x5 card and stick it in the gap in the shelf - but (gasp!) there's no gap where the book is supposed to be.

It may "fetch up in the lee scuppers". I hope so. I'm surprised that I can't find LOTS of my books.

39 posted on 04/23/2005 2:45:57 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I'm sure even one of your bookcases in the living room holds more than 1000 books.


40 posted on 04/23/2005 2:49:18 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I stopped lending out books to all but a few a long time ago. The one I remember best never getting back was an old (I used to haunt the used and/or out of print bookshops in Boston when I worked there mostly for Taylor Caldwell stuff) book written about the guy who was supposed to be King Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette's son who was spirited out of the Tulleries [proven false, but I believe that guy still has descendents who are 'pretenders']... had lithograph pics in it and a lot of history lost now. It was written about 1840 or so. Gone, sob! Kind of like losing one of your kids.


41 posted on 04/23/2005 2:49:54 PM PDT by american colleen (Long live Benedict XVI!)
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To: STARWISE
I do think the Vatican tailor needs to get busy and add a couple more inches of hem to his vestments -- LOL.

*L* .. I was thinking the same thing when I saw that picture

42 posted on 04/23/2005 2:58:12 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: american colleen
I try never to lend books - they don't come home, usually not on account of bad intent but just carelessness on the part of the borrower. But occasionally you kind of HAVE to lend to a relative or close friend who really needs it. But they still often don't come home. < sob >

I lost a lot of good books while I was away at college because even though I had packed them away in boxes in the top of my old bedroom closet, people would "borrow" them and they would disappear. Fortunately I've been able to find almost all of them again, since used book searches on the internet became possible. ABE books on line is a great resource.

43 posted on 04/23/2005 2:58:21 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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Did anyone catch the press conference this morning from Pual VI hall? Is there a video stream of it somewhere on the Web? I didn't get up in time to watch it and all Fox is showing is little clips. I'd like to see the whole thing.


44 posted on 04/23/2005 3:01:27 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

Um, that should be "Paul VI Hall"


45 posted on 04/23/2005 3:02:06 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: dubyaismypresident
She's written about her normal conservative Republican Irish Catholic family before, she's clearly the black sheep in the family.

I have one of those in my family also

The only reason I speak with him is because he's family

Other wise I wouldn't give him the time of day

He's the kind of person .. after you walk away from chatting with him .. your first thought is .. What a Jerk!

46 posted on 04/23/2005 3:03:18 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: Mo1

I've seen other pictures of him and the length to me seems fine. I think it looks too short because he's got both arms up.


47 posted on 04/23/2005 3:10:49 PM PDT by Lady In Blue ( President 'SEABISCUIT' AKA George W Bush)
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To: AnAmericanMother; american colleen
From C.S. Lewis, "Scraps," in God in the Dock

'Yes,' my friend said, I don't see why there shouldn't be books in Heaven. But you will find that your library in Heaven contains only some of the books you had on earth.' 'Which?' I asked. 'The ones you gave away or lent.' 'I hope the lent ones won't still have all the borrowers' dirty thumb marks,' said I. 'Oh yes they will,' said he. 'But just as the wounds of the martyrs will have turned into beauties, so you will find that the thumb-marks have turned into beautiful illuminated capitals or exquisite marginal woodcuts.'

Which reminds me, AC, I still have your book -- but you'll have to send me your address again because I lost it.

48 posted on 04/23/2005 3:12:22 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Pyro7480

A most beautiful thread! Thank you!


49 posted on 04/23/2005 3:14:38 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!)
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To: maryz

So many books to read, so little time. Sigh.


50 posted on 04/23/2005 3:14:59 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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