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Affirmative Action Factor In Atlanta Shooting?
Fox News ^ | April 22, 2005 | Fox News

Posted on 04/23/2005 5:41:43 PM PDT by MisterRepublican

ATLANTA, Ga. — Investigators blame last month’s deadly Atlanta courthouse shooting on a series of mistakes and missteps. But some affirmative action critics say it boils down to the fact that there was a woman deputy escorting accused gunman Brian Nichols.

“You have a female officer who is about 5 feet 2 inches tall, versus a criminal in this case — a former linebacker who is 6 feet tall,” said John Lott, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a think tank in Washington.

Those in favor of affirmative action — the policy of hiring and recruiting with the intent of eliminating effects of past discrimination or preventing discrimination altogether — say the practice shouldn’t get the blame for the March 11 shooting rampage at Fulton County Superior Court in Atlanta.

“Affirmative action certainly cannot be the scapegoat for sloppy procedures or for not being attentive,” said Bob Ethridge of the American Association for Affirmative Action. “A lot of different things went wrong.”

Nichols, about to face a retrial for rape and other offenses, allegedly overpowered the female deputy escorting him to court. With her gun, police say Nichols shot the judge who was to preside over his trial, the court reporter, another sheriff’s deputy in his path as he fled and a U.S. customs agent who was working on his home in a nearby suburb.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: affermitiveaction; atlanta; atlantashooting; bang; banglist; briannichols; courthouseshooting; deathcultivation; donutwatch; govwatch; pckills; shooting; weakersex; womanguard; women

1 posted on 04/23/2005 5:41:45 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: MisterRepublican

obviously.

but no feminist or socialist is going to admit it.


2 posted on 04/23/2005 5:42:48 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: ken21

I see it as a victory against the PC liberal media/Democrats that the question is even raised. Can you imagine someone declaring such heresy in 1994?


3 posted on 04/23/2005 5:52:06 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: MisterRepublican

Minimum standards are placed on some jobs for a reason. In the case of police officers there used to be a minimum height and weight requirement. Affirmative Action Lowered these standards for women and blacks because they could not meet their quotas of women and blacks without lowering them.

Did this cause the incident in Atlanta, Who knows. Its pretty obvious this criminal knew he could take this Grandmother and he did. He may not have been so willing to take on a man his own height and weight.

The other day I watched a Firefighters Rodeo, Firefighters were required to run this course where they used an axe, carried a hose, ran up stairs and did other things. Strenuous things. there was a mans contest and a womans contest. Why? Are they paid differentally? If the women cant compete with the men, and they obviously cant, Why are they working in the Fire Department? Affirmative Action?
Political correctness? Probably a little of both. But when someone gets killed it matters.


4 posted on 04/23/2005 5:54:53 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: ken21

One thing to keep in mind: The Rhode Island police officer who was overpowered and killed with his own gun last week.


5 posted on 04/23/2005 5:55:23 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: MisterRepublican
Sue the affirmative action, obviously wrong idea costing lives.
6 posted on 04/23/2005 5:55:34 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeePeee!)
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To: MisterRepublican
sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! That is prejudicial to assume a little old lady can't take on a man the size of a linebacker.
7 posted on 04/23/2005 5:56:54 PM PDT by Porterville (Inside the heart of every murderer is a communist. Murderism= Communism= Liberalism)
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To: KJC1

you don't know the details of this one yet, and may never know.

the other one was on video.


8 posted on 04/23/2005 5:58:52 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: ken21

This kind of thing has happened many, many times and sadly will continue to happen. These two cases are FAR from unique occurrences.


9 posted on 04/23/2005 6:01:40 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: KJC1

yeah, i agree.

all of my life i remember police or guards being taken by surprise, and being captive or killed by their own weapons.

not new.


10 posted on 04/23/2005 6:03:55 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: KJC1

Same Cases..different sexes and colors...
All boils down to ONE THING!!
THE SHEER LUNACY behind "tolerance" and "political Correctness"
When are we going to wake up and realize that these two idiotic concepts are killing us.. literally!
See Florida.. child molesters.. case closed!


11 posted on 04/23/2005 6:07:32 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: ken21

I can't tell if you are being serious or sarcastic.


12 posted on 04/23/2005 6:07:37 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: KJC1

series.








when i'm sarcastic, i use (/s) afterwards.


13 posted on 04/23/2005 6:09:35 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: ken21

Okay. :^)


14 posted on 04/23/2005 6:12:02 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: KJC1

that's a problem with the internet.

i still think there's a valid question about why they let that lady sheriff's officer alone with this guy. apparently he had become a favorite of both law enforcement and the legal community, in effect disarming them with his personality.

on the other hand, some one on this forum, who lives in atlanta, said that the sheriff's dept there has some problems.


15 posted on 04/23/2005 6:15:22 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: ken21

We definitely agree on that. They never should have assigned only one deputy to handle someone like Nichols. I hope they learned, but it's terrible that it cost lives for them to learn this.


16 posted on 04/23/2005 6:21:21 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: sgtbono2002

Keep,in mind that "affirmative" action is being inflicted on our schools as well. Do you want a surgeon who was passed thru school via affirmative action? If we lower the standards of physical performance are we lowering the standards of intellectual performance as well? Will you bet your life on it?


17 posted on 04/23/2005 6:22:19 PM PDT by mistfree
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To: ken21

IIRC there was supposed to be another officer there. He begged off at the last minute.

Historically violent offender, large buff guy, uncontrolled area, felony charges.

Three officers when the cuffs come off, minimum.

DK


18 posted on 04/23/2005 6:22:51 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: ken21

Sorry, why is that a problem with "the Internet"?
Maybe if you hip young things write proper english, those of us who don't "speak" hiphop internet could keep up!
I am an old Geezer!


19 posted on 04/23/2005 6:24:24 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: Dark Knight

that sounds like what it would take.


20 posted on 04/23/2005 6:24:37 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: ken21

I found this about the offender:

In the rape case, Nichols is accused of breaking into his ex-girlfriend's condominium, binding her with duct tape and assaulting her. Authorities say he brought a cooler stocked with food to the home for the crime. "He said he would assault her for three days until her birthday," Howard said.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-03-13-ga-courthouse_x.htm

Cold as ICE.

He should have been chained to the floor (out of sight of the jury of course).

DK


21 posted on 04/23/2005 6:37:51 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Dark Knight

nice guy.

wonder why the sheriffs and legal people were so taken by him?


22 posted on 04/23/2005 6:41:10 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: MisterRepublican
It is heartily ironic that those who were hurt in this misadventure were probably those who support such idiotic ideas that put females on the front lines, high-school dropouts into nuclear engineering, and sleaze bags into presidential suites. Serves them right. Cry me a river!
23 posted on 04/23/2005 6:47:01 PM PDT by GregoryFul (Liberals are pathological liars. They admire liars, they regale in lies, they spread lies.)
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To: ken21

As a female I want the biggest cop or fireman coming to my aid.

There are some jobs men are just plain meant for and cop,fireman,and soldier are three of them.


24 posted on 04/23/2005 7:23:39 PM PDT by Mears ("The Killer Queen,caviar and cigarettes")
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To: MisterRepublican
Two mistakes:

Women in combat and women cops.

25 posted on 04/23/2005 7:26:20 PM PDT by ASTM36
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To: ken21

I've heard people say the court and others were taken by him, but the guy was caught with two shivs, prior to his murderous rampage.

Shivs mean he premeditated the violence. Being caught with them means the cops knew before hand he wanted violence.

I've been looking for his nice guy stuff with the cops and have not found it. Got any helpful hints where I can find it?

Thanks

DK


26 posted on 04/23/2005 7:34:58 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Dark Knight
While perhaps true, casting affirmative action as the main problem in this matter is to miss the forest for the trees. The essential problem is that Atlanta is a city run by a black political power structure. It is corrupt and incompetent. Fulton County is heavily influenced and in some ways controlled by the city of Atlanta - so it is no surprise that that it's Sheriff's Department is likewise corrupt (see the reign of the previous Sheriff, Jackie Barrett) and incompetent. We've had deliberate efforts to underreport crime, we've had failures to inspect the largest public venues in the city for compliance with fire and safety codes, we have a constant stream of blown prosecutions by the Fulton County DA. It's a mess. And yes, affirmative action (gender-wise) may have had a role in this - but the answer is a much larger view of how the city does not work and how some Fulton County agencies do not work, and why.

I was hoping that the FBI would have asserted some jurisdiction due to the connection to the murder of the immigration agent - but they ceded it to the Fulton County Sheriff - and we all know where that will end up.

27 posted on 04/23/2005 8:48:49 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: MisterRepublican

it saddens me to see so many mimic the left on this thread... political correctness caused atlanta shooting... just like guns kill and should be banned.

the unfortunate events happened because of a ruthless killer committing violence against the authority that was to convict and sentence him.

no one demands political correctness... people voluntarily practice it. submit to it.

fight the power.

teeman


28 posted on 04/23/2005 9:25:11 PM PDT by teeman8r
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To: Dark Knight

dunno.

where i just moved to the cops act weird.


29 posted on 04/24/2005 3:56:06 AM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: mistfree

Keep,in mind that "affirmative" action is being inflicted on our schools as well. Do you want a surgeon who was passed thru school via affirmative action? If we lower the standards of physical performance are we lowering the standards of intellectual performance as well? Will you bet your life on it?



Sadly, the only way to avoid this real risk is to refuse to be treated by a surgeon (or represented by a lawyer) who is a member of a preferenced group that may have received such preferences.

Affirmative Action CAUSES racism.


30 posted on 04/24/2005 7:30:42 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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