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FYI: FOXNEWS Special: The Iranian Nuclear Threa(t)(d) - Sun 4-24-5 @ 9pm EST
Fox News Channel ^ | 4-24-05 | Fox News

Posted on 04/24/2005 3:13:28 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon

Iran: the Nuclear Threat -- Sun 9pm / Mid ET

They're stealing technology, creating underground facilities, and evading inspections — Join FNC as we investigate how close this terror-sponsoring state is to possessing the ultimate weapon.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Announcements; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bomb; fox; iran; irannukes; nuclear; terrorism; zarqawi
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I'll bump 25-30min from Airtime to remind others and we'll discuss during/after the event if others wish

1 posted on 04/24/2005 3:13:38 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon
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To: FreedomNeocon

Thanx for the reminder


2 posted on 04/24/2005 3:15:07 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert

Anytime... please stop by later to post your thoughts / comments, as I'll be here as it airs to disucss with those that are motivated to do so.


3 posted on 04/24/2005 3:16:12 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (.)
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To: FreedomNeocon
I'll be watching - Should be interesting though I wonder if any of the info will be new? -

My thinking is Iran is still somewhat of a way off from developing any Nuclear device - Along with that, there is no good military option at the present time for dealing with Iran - (as well as no real good diplomatic option either) -

Freedom spreading in Iraq and Afghanistan is our best ally -

4 posted on 04/24/2005 3:19:02 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

I'll be watching - Should be interesting though I wonder if any of the info will be new? -
My thinking is Iran is still somewhat of a way off from developing any Nuclear device - Along with that, there is no good military option at the present time for dealing with Iran - (as well as no real good diplomatic option either) -

Freedom spreading in Iraq and Afghanistan is our best ally -

I'm not so sure about that.

There is ALOT of info out there on Iran that just hasn't been packaged and delivered to the masses.

I'm talking quasi-underground intel on the net. People have suggested that "Debka" is an arm of the Moussad (putting out info and dis-info) yet being a glimpse of the intel OUR agencies willingly admint they are behind the 8-ball on.

Global-security.org and all the DOCUMENTED satellite photos proving they are burring these faclities under 12ft of concrete and all the other 'noticable' but not reported stories.

I don't know if they will have too much "new" stuff to me, but to millions of others I'm sure the overall picture, the dots connected, will be more substantial than you'll EVER see in the MSM.


5 posted on 04/24/2005 3:26:34 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (.)
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I'm talking quasi-underground intel on the net. People have suggested that "Debka" is an arm of the Moussad (putting out info and dis-info) yet being a glimpse of the intel OUR agencies willingly admint they are behind the 8-ball on. Global-security.org and all the DOCUMENTED satellite photos proving they are burring these faclities under 12ft of concrete and all the other 'noticable' but not reported stories. I don't know if they will have too much "new" stuff to me, but to millions of others I'm sure the overall picture, the dots connected, will be more substantial than you'll EVER see in the MSM.

I understand what you are saying - and I am sure there is some truth to some of these suggestions / observations by various "underground Intel" - While at the same time some of their conclusions are just flat out wrong -

We learned this via Iraq (in some ways) - However, I would suspect our Intel on Iran is better to a degree then what we had on Iraq (given our success and military assets on the ground in both Iraq and Afghanistan).

Either way the fact still remains there are no "good" solutions to the Iran problem.

6 posted on 04/24/2005 3:48:57 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix
I disagree... and not just for the bump ;)

Our Intel in Iraq was taken from 'the best we got'.

The Intel about Iran (largly) doesn't even come from the US. It comes from these quasi-open-source 'websites' like http://www.geostrategy-direct.com and other forign agencies that can't/won't "officially" announce these thigns.

Not that I think they should be taken as fact... far from it. I just think the danger encountered by silincing these likely possiblites is FAR greater than the dammage caused by 'being too suspicious of Iran'.

What ever happend to probable cause????
7 posted on 04/24/2005 4:06:30 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon
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To: DevSix
I disagree... and not just for the bump ;)

Our Intel in Iraq was taken from 'the best we got'.

The Intel about Iran (largly) doesn't even come from the US. It comes from these quasi-open-source 'websites' like http://www.geostrategy-direct.com and other forign agencies that can't/won't "officially" announce these thigns.

Not that I think they should be taken as fact... far from it. I just think the danger encountered by silincing these likely possiblites is FAR greater than the dammage caused by 'being too suspicious of Iran'.

What ever happend to probable cause????
8 posted on 04/24/2005 4:06:30 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon
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To: FreedomNeocon
The Intel about Iran (largly) doesn't even come from the US. It comes from these quasi-open-source 'websites' like http://www.geostrategy-direct.com and other forign agencies that can't/won't "officially" announce these thigns.

Not that I think they should be taken as fact... far from it. I just think the danger encountered by silincing these likely possiblites is FAR greater than the dammage caused by 'being too suspicious of Iran'. What ever happend to probable cause????

Few points - One, nobody is suggesting silencing these type sources - However,I would hope nobody would be sending American soldiers to die (fighting) due to these type sources either -

And our best Intel on Iran (if a military option becomes necessary) will come from ourselves (US Intel, from a varying number of sources) - The fact that we have had Iran surrounded with actual assets on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan has certainly helped in our Intel efforts -

And as I said, I am sure there is "some" fact to what these "underground" type web Intel sources are saying while at the same time they are completely and flat out wrong with other information and conclusions as well.

Iran is simply an ugly mess (though freedom spreading could very well be the exact answer we need - In fact, it certainly is the answer - However, do we have time to wait is the real question).

9 posted on 04/24/2005 4:20:20 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix
I don't think any American soldiers would be sent ON this knowledge alone, though like I said: There is more damage to be done by ignoring this just becuase it is from non-US sources. ESPICALLY considering the acknowledged lack of intel on these matters.


And our best Intel on Iran (if a military option becomes necessary) will come from ourselves (US Intel, from a varying number of sources) - The fact that we have had Iran surrounded with actual assets on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan has certainly helped in our Intel efforts

Right, our best intel will come from us, once it gets ramped up. I don't expect the emasculated intel angencies to get upto speed (what with the necessity of clandesinte ops in this area) in time to do PRO-ACTIVE operstions. US intel will be more relevant if we wait too long and have to do some RETRO-ACTIVE opersitons IMO.

And as I said, I am sure there is "some" fact to what these "underground" type web Intel sources are saying while at the same time they are completely and flat out wrong with other information and conclusions as well.

I would say that defering on the side of NO intel is INFINTELY more dangerous than 'questionable by some' intel.

Iran is simply an ugly mess (though freedom spreading could very well be the exact answer we need - In fact, it certainly is the answer - However, do we have time to wait is the real question)

Waiting is the WORST thing we can do, again IMO.
10 posted on 04/24/2005 4:33:01 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon
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To: FreedomNeocon

Got it and Thanks!


11 posted on 04/24/2005 4:56:21 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: FreedomNeocon
Waiting is the WORST thing we can do, again IMO.

That depends - If we have time to wait (until freedom spreading takes roots in Iran) then waiting would be the right road for us to take -

If the period we would need to wait were to allow Iran to gain nuclear weapons then I'd agree, waiting is not an option -

What is your opinion on what we should do? - Are you suggesting military operations against Iran? - And if so, that is a huge gamble considering the absolute havoc Iran could potentially bring for Iraq's new Gov't (and our Military there).

12 posted on 04/24/2005 5:02:45 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: FreedomNeocon

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13 posted on 04/24/2005 5:18:32 PM PDT by arbee4bush (Then, in a clattering crescendo of keystrokes, the issue exploded in cyberspace.)
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To: DevSix

Move on 'em.


14 posted on 04/24/2005 5:32:25 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: yldstrk

20min in...


15 posted on 04/24/2005 6:20:56 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon
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To: FreedomNeocon

Ledeen is absolutely right. I've been saying the same thing myself.
Get rid of the regime and terrorism and nuclear weapons aren't an issue.


16 posted on 04/24/2005 7:05:55 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: FreedomNeocon

As Senator Kennedy would ask, "Are they an Imminent threat?"

</sarcasm off>


17 posted on 04/24/2005 10:04:05 PM PDT by Prost1 (New AG, Berger is still free, copped a plea!)
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