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Update: 49 Dead As Japanese Train Derails
CNN ^ | April 24, 2005

Posted on 04/24/2005 8:33:58 PM PDT by srm913

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To: steveegg

Believe it was only going 43 miles per hour.


41 posted on 04/25/2005 5:40:01 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: DTogo

I doubt it. If any sabotage happened, it would be in Tokyo, where the Chinese are everywhere. It looks like the 'unexperienced engineer' theory holds the most water. These guys work the whole day 5am-12pm, and then take a day off, and inexperience or cockness mixed with fatigue could explain a lot.

I personally knew a strange fellow who was a JR Nishi-Nihon worker and had a lobster hand (3 middle fingers missing) thanks to a Shinkansen (bullet train) coupling. While train driving is treated with extreme professionalism and care in Japan, all it takes is just one missed second.


42 posted on 04/25/2005 5:47:34 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: struggle
This type of accident reminds me that they need to upgrade the train control systems in Japan so anytime a train passes a red signal the train automatically stops. It's possible that the train operator ignored the train stop signal and oversped the train, which resulted in this very tragic crash. I do remember that in the Tokyo area both subways and commuter trains have extremely tight control systems, a good idea given the huge number of riders per day; that accident on the Hibiya line in 1999 was an extreme freak of chance, to say the least.
43 posted on 04/25/2005 6:36:09 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: RayChuang88

bttt


44 posted on 04/25/2005 7:03:11 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: srm913

Thanks for the post.

Fox now puts the death toll at 57.

But no matter how many lives lost -- still a terrible tragedy.


45 posted on 04/25/2005 9:00:44 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: sushiman; struggle

I thank both of you for this information. I based my comment on the way short line commuter trains are run in Calif. The Japanese have a higher regard for safety than American railroads.


46 posted on 04/25/2005 9:31:14 AM PDT by ol' hoghead
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To: fatnotlazy
A couple of years ago, maybe not too long ago, this FR thread might have been cruelly visited by a couple of people with "Jap" jokes, and making humor of it, (usually because tragedies 'so far away' can be easy to poke fun of). Maybe even by some Floridians or Californians who the very next week could have been hit by a hurricane or mudslides themselves and would be crying all the live long day on FR emergency threads.

As we can see with the growing internet, with Free Republic's own maturity and the maturity of it's netcitizens, that kind of crap is way on the wane.

Prayers for those sad, distressed people and their souls. O-inori shimasu.

I've taken that kind of Japanese local train in that kind of Japanese neighborhood many a time. I can sympathize with those still alive and stuck on such trains, too.

47 posted on 04/25/2005 10:23:31 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: srm913
I'm not sure if you're a Japan aficionado

Just for the food and the shotokan training (which the new baby has put on hiatus) but thanks for the ping. I do follow accident investiagtions. How very sad and tragic this was. I've been praying for those affected.

48 posted on 04/25/2005 11:31:46 AM PDT by Horatio Gates (Minutemen; just doing their part in community policing)
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To: Robert_Paulson2; Admin Moderator

Toll is now up to 59 dead, 441 injured out of 580 passengers. They're still digging through the rubble at this hour, sadly.


49 posted on 04/25/2005 12:15:32 PM PDT by HolgerDansk ("Oh Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.)
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To: HolgerDansk

What a terrible tragedy. In a country known for its technological advances, it's hard to believe such a thing could occur...but it has. There is always room for human failure.

I can't believe they build apartment buildings ao close to the tracks, esp. with high-speed train. But I kow they have limited space.

I used to muse, while riding the Myrtle Ave. elevated in Brooklyn to classes at St. John's University (the el tracks passed numerous 4-story apt. houses) ...what would happen if this thing went off the tracks. You could actually see into the apartments and watch women cooking, men reading their evening papers, etc. It was that close.

I empathize with our Japanese friends, and send them my sympathy and prayers.


50 posted on 04/25/2005 12:22:22 PM PDT by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Palladin

>>>I can't believe they build apartment buildings ao close to the tracks, esp. with high-speed train. But I kow they have limited space.

An apartment 100 feet from a train station costs double the same apt. 1 mile from a station. The real sad fact of this crash is that those danchi (apt. buildings) usually have parks packed with small children. It's a good thing that the crash didn't happen one hour earlier, or the number of dead and injured would be 5 times what it is now.


51 posted on 04/25/2005 2:31:18 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: srm913
The Nikkei has put a number of pictures up at http://www.nikkei.co.jp/topic3/photo/g9/
52 posted on 04/25/2005 7:19:18 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Admin Moderator

Sadly, the death toll is now up to 78.


53 posted on 04/26/2005 9:32:35 AM PDT by srm913
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To: struggle

54 posted on 04/26/2005 12:29:59 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: srm913

Count is currently 73. It's all that's playing on the news today.


55 posted on 04/26/2005 6:24:41 PM PDT by Alien Gunfighter (Socialist liberals never imagine themselves as peasants under their 'perfect' socialist regime)
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