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Putin deplores collapse of USSR
BBC News ^ | April 25, 2005

Posted on 04/25/2005 2:25:36 AM PDT by HAL9000

Russia's President Vladimir Putin has described the collapse of the Soviet Union as "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe" of the 20th century.

Mr Putin's annual state of the nation address to parliament was broadcast live on Russian television.

He said the break-up of the USSR in 1991 was "a real drama" which left tens of millions of Russians outside the Russian Federation.

He also said Russia must develop as a "free and democratic" country.

But he stressed that Russia "will decide for itself the pace, terms and conditions of moving towards democracy".

"We are a free nation and our place in the modern world will be defined only by how successful and strong we are".

It was Mr Putin's second state of the nation address since being re-elected by a landslide in 2004.



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1 posted on 04/25/2005 2:25:37 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
has described the collapse of the Soviet Union as "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe" of the 20th century

I didn't know Putin was a Democrat.

2 posted on 04/25/2005 2:29:33 AM PDT by SIDENET (Yankee Air Pirate)
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To: HAL9000

PUTIN NAMES THREE DIRECTIONS FOR RUSSIA'S DEVELOPMENT - STATE, LAW AND SOCIETY

MOSCOW, April 25 (RIA Novosti) - In his annual address, Vladimir Putin named three directions for Russia's development.

First, the development of the state system. Secondly, the strengthening of the legal system and the development of the political system, building a more effective justice system in the country. Third, development of the individual and the civil society.

Vladimir Putin believes the major political and ideological task is to develop a free democratic state in Russia.

The President pointed out that there is an opinion that the Russian people, "which kept silent for a long time," needs a strong authority, that it cannot adopt to democratic principles.

"I would certainly want to bring those who voice such an opinion back to reality," he said.

Vladimir Putin asked to regard the current and the previous Addresses to the Federal Assembly as "a common action plan for the next decade."


3 posted on 04/25/2005 2:31:07 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: HAL9000

All the kings men couldn't put humpty dumpty together again.

The Soviet Union was put together by force. No one wanted to be under the thumb or gun of the Russians, All the Stan countries and eastern Europe and all the other countries hated them.

Now this dumbass Putin longs for the once great power that was the soviet Union?Subjucation and a prison camp contry?


4 posted on 04/25/2005 2:35:25 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: HAL9000

Putin = Trojan horse speaking democracy with dictatorship in reality.


5 posted on 04/25/2005 2:44:22 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: HAL9000

Some one bring a lie detector... never mind, he propbably has the skills to avoid being detected for lies because of his KGB skills.


6 posted on 04/25/2005 2:45:39 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: HAL9000

Once a KGB agent, ALWAYS a KGB agent!


7 posted on 04/25/2005 3:26:27 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher (Hillary for President? She wants to be Pope!!!!)
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To: HAL9000

Putin's priorities are clear. "development of the individual and the civil society" is dead last on the list.


8 posted on 04/25/2005 3:45:20 AM PDT by billybudd
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To: HAL9000
Most Russians regard the loss of their superpower influence as a blow to their sense of national pride. Yes, the USSR was an Evil Empire and it was a drain on Russia's development... but there was no denying it was a nuclear superpower that commanded world attention and respect. So there's this sense of nostalgia for the greatness of the country's past that President Putin tapped into. At the same time, no one in Russia wants to go back to Communism. Russia must develop as a free and democratic state. And join the world on the basis of this choice. There can be no return to the notion of imperial glory vanished but Russia can be a strong and proud country again.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
9 posted on 04/25/2005 3:48:41 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: HAL9000

New historical analysis proves that despite the fact that Reagan was president... it was all Bush's fault!


10 posted on 04/25/2005 4:31:58 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: TFine80; j23; Lijahsbubbe; conshack; MassachusettsGOP; sergey1973; rasblue; Somewhat Centrist; ...
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11 posted on 04/25/2005 4:32:13 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: HAL9000
First, the development of the state system. Secondly, the strengthening of the legal system and the development of the political system, building a more effective justice system in the country.

Everything under his control of course.

Third, development of the individual and the civil society.

The less important thing, was mentioned only because “the West” is watching.
12 posted on 04/25/2005 4:46:26 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: HAL9000
He said the break-up of the USSR in 1991 was "a real drama" which left tens of millions of Russians outside the Russian Federation.

Well then Mr. Putin, since most/many of the Russians in other countries were sent there to Russify them, you could arrange for their return for which many of those countries would be eternally thankful.

13 posted on 04/25/2005 4:47:55 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: HAL9000
"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe" of the 20th century.

No, I think the creation of the USSR was one of the great geopolitical catastrophes of the 20th Century.

And the spread of Marxism is another.

The birth of the UN, another one. The Third Reich, yet another.

14 posted on 04/25/2005 4:50:54 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Wiz

Funny thing is that even if he really thinks so, he is saying publicly such controversial things on TV. And how all neighboring countries could trust him and have good relations with Russia, this is impossible as long such people like Putin will be in charge.


15 posted on 04/25/2005 4:56:48 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: goldstategop

Being a superpower is no walk in the park, as Uncle Sam would be the first to admit. There's a great deal to be said for being way down on the high and mighty list. You can do your own thing, mind your own business, and nobody will blame you for everything from soup to nuts.


16 posted on 04/25/2005 4:56:53 AM PDT by hershey
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To: varon
Well then Mr. Putin, since most/many of the Russians in other countries were sent there to Russify them

This is exactly the problem with the leaders of the undemocratic countries, they see only things with they want to see. If whole world is saying that Ribentropp-Molotov pact was wrong thing then Putin and his servants will say that it was good thing. The same with Yalta conference, annexation of the Baltic states, role of Stalin in WWII etc etc.
17 posted on 04/25/2005 5:09:54 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: HAL9000
He also said Russia must develop as a "free and democratic" country.

I wonder why they didn't use that as the headline.

18 posted on 04/25/2005 5:15:48 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Moonman62

Probably because most of people knows that this is just BS. Almost all authoritarian leaders or dictators pretend that they are democrats.


19 posted on 04/25/2005 5:26:21 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: HAL9000
"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe" of the 20th century . . .

And runner up:


20 posted on 04/25/2005 5:54:17 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: SIDENET

Putin is the typical Marxist. Communism will work if only the right people were in charge.


21 posted on 04/25/2005 6:00:49 AM PDT by bra
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To: Aussie Dasher

Once a COMMIE, Always A Commie.


22 posted on 04/25/2005 7:29:29 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (Never Forget the Starvation of Terri Schiavo - Liberal Loonies murdered her.)
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To: SIDENET
Well, now you do.

A drama, certainly. But the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century was communism, followed by WW II, followed by WW I. Their present hanghail does not remotely rate.

23 posted on 04/25/2005 7:31:32 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: goldstategop
Of course. But the blow to their pride should be that all that effort was wasted on evil. Strength and pride and glory aren't bad things, but they can't be founded on the destruction of morality and the debasement of men. Right now, Putin is still exporting effort wasted on evil, by supporting the worst goons in the world all over the map, thinking it is strength and glory I suppose. It isn't, it is moral squalor. Goodness first, morality first, serving civilization and human dignity first. Then if all those other things are added, they are good things indeed. Without those moral underpinings, they are rot.
24 posted on 04/25/2005 7:37:25 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: Lukasz

This nostalgia for the past for a political leader is self-destructive, dangerous and politically stupid. For Russia to be successfull it need to develop democratic institutions. Russia should offer willing Russians/Russian Speakers who live outside of Russian Federation, an opportunity to immigrate to Russia under favorable conditions. The millions of Russian Speakers living outside of Russian Federation could become invaluable asset to Russia that is experiencing very serious demographic problems.


25 posted on 04/25/2005 7:38:50 AM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: HAL9000
When will Pooty-Poot announce his candidacy for the democratic presidential nomination?
26 posted on 04/25/2005 7:42:49 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (It takes all kinds of critters...to make Farmer Vincents fritters)
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To: HAL9000
three directions for Russia's development.

First, the development of the state system.

Secondly, the strengthening of the legal system and the development of the political system, building a more effective justice system in the country.

Third, development of the individual and the civil society.


The second direction is really three, and the third is really two, both of which are of historical interest only. This indicates that he has no idea what he is to do.
27 posted on 04/25/2005 7:49:06 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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To: HAL9000

All of this from a KGB operative. Lets get real Putin, you Commies flubbed your dub in trying to take over the civilized world and failed. GET OVER IT!!


28 posted on 04/25/2005 7:59:04 AM PDT by hgro (ews)
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To: Lukasz
Puti should be eliminated before It is too late.
29 posted on 04/25/2005 8:25:08 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: jb6
ping !


30 posted on 04/25/2005 8:28:06 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Kissing your hero I see. You've got a real love affair with the old boy. I'm just surprised you didn't put a photo of your EU masters in there too.


31 posted on 04/25/2005 8:58:08 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: reagan_fanatic; Red6; BrooklynGOP; Destro; A. Pole; MarMema; YoungCorps; OldCorps; chukcha; ...
I don't think he'd fit:

Flat 13% tax
Killed sales tax
24% corporate tax
abortions after 12 weeks banned
Christian education in schools and the military
Cut the size of government
Private property reform
Pro-Business policies
Nope, don't think that jives to well.

32 posted on 04/25/2005 9:01:12 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: SIDENET
He also said Russia must develop as a "free and democratic" country. But he stressed that Russia "will decide for itself the pace, terms and conditions of moving towards democracy".

Funny how everyone missed this part.

33 posted on 04/25/2005 9:02:26 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: SIDENET

Brilliant my friend


34 posted on 04/25/2005 9:03:34 AM PDT by Brofholdonow
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To: bra

This is the exact mindset and agenda of the left in this country from the ACLU on down. And they are are attempting to manipulate our "living, breathing document" for their masterplan.


35 posted on 04/25/2005 9:07:41 AM PDT by Brofholdonow
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To: HAL9000

Somewhere in one of his many dacha's, Putin has a shrine to Stalin


36 posted on 04/25/2005 9:09:28 AM PDT by Brofholdonow
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To: SIDENET
The geographic/national breakup of the Soviet Union (note not the political collapse of the Communists which everyone wanted, just like everyone wanted a capitalist system) has meant wars and economic destitution to millions.

Wars: Russia (Chechnya)
Russia (internal N.Ossessians vs Ingushians)
Russia (Yeltsin slaughtering the Parliament)
Armenia-Azerbajan
Georgia (civil war, Abhazia, S.Ossessia)
Moldova (civil war)
Uzebekistan (civil war, Islamic invasion)
Tazikistan (islamic/narco invasion)
Kyrgyzstan (ceeded land to China along the border, brink of civil war presently)

There has been a very high human cost to the past 15 years, so to hear someone say that the entity's (again, this is always been divorced from the Communist party and the economy) collapse was a tragedy, needs to be taken in that context.

37 posted on 04/25/2005 9:09:39 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: Lukasz

Well the Poles don't have anything to worry about, soon Russian oil and gas will no longer even pass through Poland, you'll be Russhis Frie. Of course those tariff revenues will be gone too, but it's a small price to pay. The EU will take care of you.


38 posted on 04/25/2005 9:12:16 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

Many regret the fall of the USSR. For example: Hollywood movie villians have never been the same. The Olympics are now boring. End Time charlatans lost their chief anti-Christ candidate. James Bond movies never recovered.


39 posted on 04/25/2005 9:16:41 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

I thought Prince Charles or the Pope were the anti-Christs. ;)


40 posted on 04/25/2005 9:19:29 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jb6

You mean you don't know who the anti-christ, or pretend jesus, or the play actor christ is??????? Have you not READ as the real Christ would ask????


41 posted on 04/25/2005 9:22:46 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

The real anti-Christ would be a beloved world leader no one assumes is the anti-Christ - that can be anything from the Pope to the U.S. President.


42 posted on 04/25/2005 9:36:38 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

"The real anti-Christ would be a beloved world leader no one assumes is the anti-Christ - that can be anything from the Pope to the U.S. President."


We are told that this 'man' will deceive all but the elect.

Now Christ said I have foretold you all things, that would mean that we should already know who the instead of jesus is. Christ was even tempted by the anti-christ, and what was offered Christ if he would bend His knee????


43 posted on 04/25/2005 9:43:02 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: HAL9000

Putin's position is indistinguishable from that of the American Left. This speech could have been given by Jimmy Carter.


44 posted on 04/25/2005 9:50:40 AM PDT by keat (Click to hear theme song)
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To: HAL9000
The USSR and retrospective looks at its demise are very strange. We must remember that it's been 14 years since the whole enterprise collapsed. For young people (late 20s and early 30s) this era is tied to the nostalgia of their childhood. Also, the crimes of the regime are forgotten and not emphasized. The soviets never got the nazi treatment. And to the extent that they do, excesses are blamed on Stalin or other individuals.

In Russia, in particular, the nostalgia is strong because of national pride. Russia's early history was that of an Asian hick backwater. With Peter the Great, they became a European power, albeit a minor one. With Catherine, they became prominent and rose to be a major force in the never-ending series of European wars. But they lost quite a few of them.

Then, after World War II, they were a superpower -- feared and hated. The nostalgia leads to a "but at least" problem. "Well, we had to wait in line for rotten bread, but at least we didn't have to worry about paying for the doctor." The real problems that Russia suffers from now are compared against a sanitized version of the past. But the truth is, it's really more about national pride. They don't have it now, and they wish they did.

45 posted on 04/25/2005 10:02:56 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AD fan club: "lol, Good one AD."--gopwinsin04; "Hey, AmishDude, you are right!"-FairOpinion)
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To: Just mythoughts

Um , ok.


46 posted on 04/25/2005 10:07:37 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: sergey1973

When Russia will start necessary reforms, unemployment rate will rise and those immigrants will have problems to get a job and place to live. We also have in Poland plan to settle Poles especially from Kazakhstan but because of above mentioned problems only few of them decided to go back.


47 posted on 04/25/2005 10:11:43 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: jb6
You know that Russian economy depends mostly of oil and gas (huge taxes for export), Putin isn’t so stupid to do it. For which cash he would pay all these social rents and privileges?

Anyway soon we will be ready even for such Putin’s suicide if we make deal with our FRIENDS from Ukraine, Caucasus and USA.

Btw Why are you bother so much about this?
48 posted on 04/25/2005 10:21:30 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Just mythoughts
Yeah, I just kinda missed the name and birth date in Revelations. Care to show me the verse where he is named?
49 posted on 04/25/2005 10:25:02 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: keat
I don't think he'd fit:
Flat 13% tax
Killed sales tax
24% corporate tax
abortions after 12 weeks banned
Christian education in schools and the military
Cut the size of government
Private property reform
Pro-Business policies
Nope, don't think that jives to well.
50 posted on 04/25/2005 10:26:49 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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